Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

[MartyrX]

Wouldn't his "rich friends" already be rich? You guys are a bunch of bobble-heads. Yup, yup, Haliburton, yup, yup, rich, rich, yup.....

Would those in the "idiot" camp say the same about Kerry, who had lower SAT and officer candidate scores than Bush? :nervous:

The number of throbbing cerebrums around here just dripping with the fixings for future Nobel Prizes is remarkable.

We're not talking about Kerry but Bush. Also making personal attacks proves how futile your argument is.

 

[minaz]

I doubt Bush will ever receive a Nobel Prize- unless it was a spoof one

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Well, you know he called ariel sharon a "man of peace" - maybe he'll be next!

To be fair, Ariel Sharon, did try to do some good. He did embark on a course of unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. Even though, it has been greeted with opposition from within his own Likud party. Sadly he's in a coma now. I sense some foul play by Likud party....

 

[minaz]

^
As JT would say "What goes around, goes around, goes around, comes all the way back around...I thought I told ya, hey"

 

[snakelegs]

To be fair, Ariel Sharon, did try to do some good. He did embark on a course of unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. Even though, it has been greeted with opposition from within his own Likud party. Sadly he's in a coma now. I sense some foul play by Likud party....

he is permanently linked to sabra and shatilla in my mind and i can't seem to go beyond that.
he did his own share of foul play when he set off the "2nd intifada" but that would be going tooo far off topic, i guess.

 

[جوري]

We're not talking about Kerry but Bush. Also making personal attacks proves how futile your argument is.

Making personal attacks is 90% of his 'charm' and/or his reasoning.. I don't see hope for much else...

 

[snakelegs]

Making personal attacks is 90% of his 'charm' and/or his reasoning.. I don't see hope for much else...

oh, i dunno - i rather enjoy being a bobble-head! ;D

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

*Puts on metal helmet*

Is it safe to enter...?

 

[Cognescenti]

The language in the bill covering this is rather vague plus with the fact that according to the Powers that be the enemy could be right here they could easily hold you as they already have many times with the powers that this act has given them.

There you go again with the paranoia thing.

I showed you verbatim language from the Act which clearly says:

"Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under chapter 47A – Military Commissions (of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (10 U.S.C. 948a (Section 1, Subchapter I)))."

If you are going to claim something that contravenes what seems to be written in plain English above, then you will have to show me the language in the Act which is at odds with the above, not some indirect reference to what "might" happen if Martians attack during a blizzard in July.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

He is permanently linked to sabra and shatilla in my mind and i can't seem to go beyond that.

He did his own share of foul play when he set off the "2nd intifada" but that would be going tooo far off topic, i guess.

I'm not in the know about this. So I'll reserve judgement.

 

[MartyrX]

a person who has engaged in hostilities or who
has purposefully and materially supported hostilities
against the United States or its co-belligerents who is
not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who
is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces);
or
‘‘(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of
the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006,
has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant
by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another com-
petent tribunal established under the authority of the
President or the Secretary of Defense.

This is straight from the act.

 

[Cognescenti]

a person who has engaged in hostilities or who
has purposefully and materially supported hostilities
against the United States or its co-belligerents who is
not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who
is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces);
or
‘‘(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of
the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006,
has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant
by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another com-
petent tribunal established under the authority of the
President or the Secretary of Defense.

This is straight from the act.

As I believe you to be an honorable man, I will stipulate that is language from the act, but you still need to link to your claim (and apparently of sportscasters) of the suspension of habeus corpus for US citizens.

What is the context? You started in the middle of a paragraph.

It seems to me the Hamdan case pretty much undercuts your claim.

 

[MartyrX]

frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.txt.pd

Here's the whole act that you can download and read. It's the paragraph that talks about Enemy Combatants.

 

[minaz]

***Subscribers of the thread all wait patiently for Cognescenti's reply***

 

[snakelegs]

frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.txt.pd

Here's the whole act that you can download and read. It's the paragraph that talks about Enemy Combatants.

"error!

No Such Document
docid-> s3930enr.%20txt.pdIPaddress-> 162.140.64.184dbname-> 109_cong_bills"

 

[InToTheRain]

"error!

No Such Document
docid-> s3930enr.%20txt.pdIPaddress-> 162.140.64.184dbname-> 109_cong_bills"

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.%20txt.pdf

There ya go ^

 

[snakelegs]

thanks!

 

[MartyrX]

"error!

No Such Document
docid-> s3930enr.%20txt.pdIPaddress-> 162.140.64.184dbname-> 109_cong_bills"

Well all you need to do is type in military commission act in google and it's the second link. Sorry about the link.

 

[MartyrX]

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.%20txt.pdf

There ya go ^

Thanks!

 

[Cognescenti]

a person who has engaged in hostilities or who
has purposefully and materially supported hostilities
against the United States or its co-belligerents who is
not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who
is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces);
or
‘‘(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of
the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006,
has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant
by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another com-
petent tribunal established under the authority of the
President or the Secretary of Defense.

This is straight from the act.

It is straight from the act. In fact it is also straight from my previous post on page 1 of the thread

"Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under chapter 47A – Military Commissions (of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (10 U.S.C. 948a (Section 1, Subchapter I)))."

The definition of unlawful and lawful enemy combatant is given in Chapter 47A—Military commission: Subchapter I--General provisions: Sec. 948a. Definitions

"The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means —
(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaida, or associated forces); or
(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense."
...
"The term 'lawful enemy combatant' means a person who is —
(A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;
(B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or
(C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United States."

"

I would agree the definition of "unlawful enemy combatant" is somewhat broad...but again...the law clearly states that the measures only apply to alien unlawful enemy combatants.

If one is not a US citizen and desires to ship RPG's to hamas...then...well...one would be imprudent to do it within reach of US authorities. Important safety tip.

If one is a US citizen and desires to ship RPG's to hamas...then...you might still have the government of the US on your tail but this law does not grant them permission to waive your habeus corpusrights.

Bush claimed the powers you fear at the start of the war on the plausible argument that it was intrinsic to his powers as CIC in time of war. He lost that argument (narrowly) in the SCOTUS (and in the Hamdan case, for eg.).

What did he do? Did he order the assassination of some of the problematic justices? No. Did he put tanks around the Supreme Court building? No. Did he try to expand the Supreme Court and pack it with his picks like FDR tried? No.

What did he do? He acceeded to the will of the SCOTUS and asked the Congress for a law to clarify....and he put Padilla (a US citizen) on trial in a civil court.

This act restricts Presidential power, it doesn't grant new powers.

Here is my suggestion. Next time somebody says "they are out to get us...come up front and let's drink the Koolaide together"....don't do it.