By what right is this still going on?

[islamirama]

U.S. scours Iraq's Baqouba for militants
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070622/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_offensive


US forces kill 17 Qaeda gunmen in Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070622/ts_afp/iraqunrestusdiyala_070622121751;_ylt=AsJ.qv_2.6WreVPO0_lfNJoUewgF


By what right is this still going on? By what right do Iraq and Afghanistan continue to be occupied and Muslims hunted and killed every day in their own homelands?

Where are the international laws and norms they speak of and invoke only when it is suitable for them?

Where is the international community they have always invoked in the face of Saddaam's Iraq, Sudan, Iran, Hamas, Hizbullaah and every time a Muslim state or group of Mujahideen rejects Western aggression, injustices and hegemony?

And why is it when Muslims act in self-defense, international law becomes violated, but when a Western power or Zionist Israel or any non-Muslim government attacks and occupies a Muslim state it is not?

Why do free nations continue to give the U.S. and European countries that have attacked and now occupying Afghanistan and Iraq , respect and high regard instead of showing anger at them and even sanctioning them? It could be any of them next time.


25 civilians killed in Afghan violence Air strikes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070622/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan

They blame their killing of civilians on the resistance! This is the logic of Satan! He accused Allaah of misguiding him.

American forces are responsible and accountable for every death in Afghanistan and Iraq . Even the killing of resistance fighters is illegal because occupation forces should not be there in the first place. Afghani and Iraqi resistance are fighting on their own homelands to drive out foreign occupation forces. Moreover, the Mujahideen attack only military occupation forces while the U.S. bombs buildings and large crowds killing civilians along with "suspected" freedom fighters indiscriminately
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Germany : Terror threat is on the rise
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070622/ap_on_re_eu/germany_terror_threat

These accusations and incitement are part of the fight by Western nations to stop the spread of Islaam. Naturally, new converts to Islaam go to Muslim countries to learn their new deen and how it is practiced. Most new European converts go to Pakistan because the majority convert at the hands of Pakistanis and because it is much easier to gain entry visas to Pakistan and find willing Muslim groups to teach them. However, w ith stooge Musharraf in control of Pakistan , this is becoming more and more dangerous endevour for European Muslims. – wallaahu A3lam.





from Bahjat

 

[MTAFFI]

what a bunch of garbage

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ live like a king die as a pauper.....

 

[wilberhum]

what a bunch of garbage

Garbage?
When someone ignores all the history and causes of things, I think calling it garbabe is far too nice.

 

[MTAFFI]

By what right is this still going on? By what right do Iraq and Afghanistan continue to be occupied and Muslims hunted and killed every day in their own homelands?

By what right do you have to criticize something that you know only 50% of? Iraq is occupied and being policed to help the country to its feet, people are not deliberatly killed at random by the west, that is done by the militants and extremist that have taken it upon themselves, they are also "occupiers", only they do not wish the Iraqi people well, their goal is mayhem and destruction, a far easier task than trying to stop such a wide ranging goal.

Afghanistans former government sponsered terrorism by not handing over one of the root causes of 9/11. The taliban regime has been effectively removed and is being very effectively destroyed, there is reason for it, they were told give him up or welcome to war. They chose war.

The "Muslims" that you speak of being hunted and killed, are hunted and killed because they deserve to be. They are fighting against police and government and in any country they would be killed, they are taking advantage of a bad situation. By the way, many of those fighting in Iraq arent necessarily in their homeland

Where are the international laws and norms they speak of and invoke only when it is suitable for them?

Are you claiming to be an expert in international law, or are you just spewing mindless rhetoric that you read from one article that you already posted in another thread on this site, because unless you know the full scope of what you posted on the other thread you are speaking in ignorance.

Where is the international community they have always invoked in the face of Saddaam's Iraq, Sudan, Iran, Hamas, Hizbullaah and every time a Muslim state or group of Mujahideen rejects Western aggression, injustices and hegemony?

There is a big difference between these groups and the west, it is funny how you side with them, but yet you and your family still choose live here and pay to fight against them. How cowardly, it is almost like "sleeping with the enemy".

And why is it when Muslims act in self-defense, international law becomes violated, but when a Western power or Zionist Israel or any non-Muslim government attacks and occupies a Muslim state it is not?

What was 9/11 in self defense to? What was 7/7 in self defense to? Was the government effected other than having reason to go to war? And do not bother with your retarded conspiracy theories try to come up with a logical answer for once, rather than repeating what you read that cant be backed up.

Why do free nations continue to give the U.S and European countries that have attacked and now occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, respect and high regard instead of showing anger at them and even sanctioning them? It could be any of them next time

Because they know who is right and who is wrong, and they see how these extremist spread without a face or a government to answer to, you see they are nothing but cowards, they cant even call a place home or show themselves, they hide in the civilian cloak in order to preserve their life while risking and taking others.

They blame their killing of civilians on the resistance! This is the logic of Satan! He accused Allaah of misguiding him.

Are you comparing the resistance to Allah? ^o)

American forces are responsible and accountable for every death in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even the killing of resistance fighters is illegal because occupation forces should not be there in the first place. Afghani and Iraqi resistance are fighting on their own homelands to drive out foreign occupation forces. Moreover, the Mujahideen attack only military occupation forces while the U.S bombs buildings and large crowds killing civilians along with "suspected" freedom fighters indiscriminately

What garbage

The US is absolutely not responsible for every death, perhaps some, but nothing close to that taken by your beloved "resistance" fighters. You are so misguided it is truly sad, you need to sit down with someone who is neither here nor there and try to find the truth, because right now you are heading down a very dark path, and I believe you could be being decieved by well, I think you know. Trickery is one of the devils most powerful weapons

 

[MTAFFI]

^ live like a king die as a pauper.....

say what you really mean

Do you agree with all that above, and if so lets here why

 

[jzcasejz]

JazaakAllaah Khayr! An excellent thread Bro islamirama. :thumbs_up

 

[wilberhum]

JazaakAllaah Khayr! An excellent thread Bro islamirama. :thumbs_up

I think MTAFFI is doing an excelent job of defending against such garbage.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Do you agree with all that above, and if so lets here why

why bother, if you dont understand islam then you certainly wont understand my explenation.
if you cant see oppression then you certainly wont understand my explenation.
if injustice smacks your face 20 times a day and you unknowingly support it then my explenation cant help you...

 

[wilberhum]

if you dont understand islam then you certainly wont understand my explenation.

So your explination is based on Religion? :?
I think we are talking about facts, not faith. :skeleton:

 

[islamirama]

Iraqi Woman Recalls Abu Ghraib Rape Ordeal

The rape ordeal she suffered at the hands of US soldiers, both males and females, in the notorious Abu Gharib prison will continue to haunt Nadia for the rest of her life.

Though freed now, she is "imprisoned" in painful memories that left her psychologically and physically scarred, paying the price of the brutality and sadism of her American jailers.

Nadia, the name given by a freed Iraqi female prisoner to Al-Wasat, a weekly supplement of the respectable London-based Al-Hayat newspaper, felt it incumbent upon herself to speak out and expose the less-talked-about abuse of female prisoners in US-run detention camps across Iraq.

Her visit to a relative ended up in her detention by American troops, who stormed the home under the preferable excuse of "searching for weapons".

"I tried in vain to convince the impeded interpreter I was a guest, but I lost consciousness to find myself later in a dingy dark cell all by myself," Nadia recalled.

With tears rolling down her cheeks, she told the paper how she was stripped by her "liberators" of the most precious thing an Arab and Muslim women can have: Her virginity.

"A thrill of fear ran through me when I saw US soldiers laughing hysterically with a female solider telling me mockingly in an Arabic accent ‘I never heard about female arms dealer in Iraq’," Nadia said.

"As I tried hard to explain to her that I was wrongly rounded up, the female soldier started accosting and kicking me with my cries and pleas falling on dead ears."

She went on: "She gave me a cup of water and no sooner had I started sipping it than I went into a deep trance to find myself later naked and raped."

‘Like Animals’

Only then Nadia realized that hard times and an uncertain fate were lying ahead.

And days proved her right. The other day, five soldiers fondled and raped her one after another in a distasteful sex orgy on the tunes of culturally offensive heavy metal music.

"One month later, a soldier showed up and told me in broken Arabic to take a shower. And before finishing my bath, he kicked the door open. I slapped him but he raped me like animals and called two of his colleagues, who forced me to have sex with them," added Nadia.

"Four months later, the female soldier came along with four male soldiers with a digital camera. She stripped me naked and started fondling me as if she was a man while her male colleagues broke into laughter and started taking photos.

"Reluctant as I was, she fired four shots close to my head and threatened to kill me if I resist. Then, four soldiers raped me sadistically and I lost conscience. Later, she forced me to watch a clip of my raping, saying bluntly: ‘Your were born to give us pleasure’."

Naida was set free from the US hell in Abu Gharib after spending up to six months there.

The American soldiers dumped her along the highway of Abu Gharib and gave her a meager of 10,000 dinars to "start a new life".

Too ashamed to return home, she now works as a housemaid for an Iraqi family.

Britain’s mass-circulation The Guardian revealed on May 12 that US soldiers in Iraq have sexually humiliated and abused several Iraqi female detainees in Abu Gharib.

In its May 10-17 issue, the Newsweek said that yet-unreleased Abu Gharib abuse photos "include an American soldier having sex with a female Iraqi detainee and American soldiers watching Iraqis have sex with juveniles."

The Iraqi abuse scandal exploded onto the world stage on April 29 after the CBS news network published several shocking photos of Iraqi detainees tortured and sexually abused by US soldiers.

In a ****ing report presented to the administration in February, before the outbreak of the scandal, US Major General Antonio Taguba found numerous "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the prison complex.

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http://www.islamonline.net/English/N...rticle06.shtml

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Rape of Iraqi girls by US mercenaries and soldiers was rampant in Baghdad
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1945


Worst rape photos of Iraqi women detainees not yet officially released
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1861

 

[wilberhum]

islamirama,
Do you think there is anyone here stupid enough to think all Americans are good. :hiding:

If we were all good we would follow your religion, Right?

 

[islamirama]

islamirama,
Do you think there is anyone here stupid enough to think all Americans are good. :hiding:

If we were all good we would follow your religion, Right?

just showing what the bush regime is doing in Iraq, i don't see anyone condemning their war crimes?

Remaining silent to such atrocities is a crime as well, maybe not by human law but by God law it is...

 

[wilberhum]

i don't see anyone condemning their war crimes?

You can't see what you refuse to accept.

 

[snakelegs]

just showing what the bush regime is doing in Iraq, i don't see anyone condemning their war crimes?

Remaining silent to such atrocities is a crime as well, maybe not by human law but by God law it is...

do you get your news from american tv? there are plenty (not enough) people who are angry and ashamed at the atrocities being done in our name.

 

[islamirama]

do you get your news from american tv? there are plenty (not enough) people who are angry and ashamed at the atrocities being done in our name.

There are sensible people like you that actually care and are concerned, and then there are zealots like mtaffi and few others here who will find any excuse to defend these atrocities and these war criminals ...

 

[MTAFFI]

why bother, if you dont understand islam then you certainly wont understand my explenation.
if you cant see oppression then you certainly wont understand my explenation.
if injustice smacks your face 20 times a day and you unknowingly support it then my explenation cant help you...

I am very much trying to understand Islam, I am liking what I am learning very much

I do see oppression and I see a certain amount of oppression being applied to the Iraqis by the US and by the "resistance" (moreso, IMO, by the "resistance")

How do you know what I support? I am tired of our troops and country being involved in these problems overseas, I just dont blame them for everything that happens

So please, try me

 

[MTAFFI]

Iraqi Woman Recalls Abu Ghraib Rape Ordeal
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[/SIZE][/FONT]Rape of Iraqi girls by US mercenaries and soldiers was rampant in Baghdad
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1945


Worst rape photos of Iraqi women detainees not yet officially released
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1861

The atrocities that have been committed at Abu Ghraib are dispicable and un-American, it goes against everything our country stands for and those who participated in such heinous acts should be properly disposed of, they are a disgrace to our country and do not represent the average soldier or citizen of the US. I am genuinely sorry for those who have had these crimes commited against them and I hope for their sake and the sake of my country that these people are properly brought to justice and punished.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

So your explination is based on Religion? :?
I think we are talking about facts, not faith. :skeleton:

facts can be twisted....

 

[MTAFFI]

typical kuffar response, what do you know sitting in the west being spoon fed by your media whatever propaganda they cook up. Christiane extremists like you will always defend your filth now matter how wrong they are.

I am not a Christian and I will tell you again that it would be a lie to say that I am a Kuffar (unless of course a Kuffar is someone who doesnt believe in conspiracy theories or agree all of the time with your garbage)