Bye Bye Miyagi

[Safa]

Took me a while to remember him but never was a fan really.

Anyway, a question, if a person dies, and he doesnt believe in Allah, he will definately go to Hell right???

If a person believes in one supreme God (considering that he never heard about the Islam) he might have a chance in heaven. And Allah knows best.


I remember someone tell me a saying from the Prophet (pbuh) that the if a person has a coin's worth of Iman he will be taken out of hell. I don't know if that's an ayah or a hadith. Anyone wanna look it up?

 

[WHITEMUSK]

Mr Miyagi might say: 'You no need dawah to get free ticket to Jannah, just damn good deeds. Pass the saki, Daniel-San. Then Miyagi teach you to sweep.'

Then Daniel would say: 'Yeah, okay Mr Miyagi, you're right, cos it's my fault I'm in this mess, I was trying to impress that girl and then I got a bloody nose and a broken rib, and it's all my fault, I'm such an idiot'

'Miyagi agree with Daniel-San analysis. Miyagi no agree with lack of saki'

:haha: :haha: :lol: :clever: I thought that was real funny!!!eace:

 

[Durrah]

I loved the karate kid.

Miyagi was cool :coolious: eace:

I used to wish he could teach me karate and i'd be wicked like daniel. LOL.

His little pharases were funny too

"wax on, wax off"

"daniel-sun"

 

[hidden_treasure]

Assalamu alaikum,

Yes..i will miss those "wax on" and "wax off " moments with Daniel san, however we are missing the bigger picture...did he ever once make sujood to the Most Glorious, the Most Sublime..Allah??? Are we forgetting this??

Inna lillahi wa inna lilahi raji'oon

 

[Halima]

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[Sahabiyaat]

Mr Miyagi might say: 'You no need dawah to get free ticket to Jannah, just damn good deeds. Pass the saki, Daniel-San. Then Miyagi teach you to sweep.'

Then Daniel would say: 'Yeah, okay Mr Miyagi, you're right, cos it's my fault I'm in this mess, I was trying to impress that girl and then I got a bloody nose and a broken rib, and it's all my fault, I'm such an idiot'

'Miyagi agree with Daniel-San analysis. Miyagi no agree with lack of saki'

lol what shall i do
cry at miyagis death or laugh at muezzins post :blind:

 

[aamirsaab]

Both.
Miyagi made karate kid what it is.
Muezzin, well...he makes peope laugh and is twice effective when tag teamed with me and/or minaz. Together we are: The three amigos!

 

[Mu'maneen]

AstaghferAllah! No wonder this Ummah is so corrupt! Why are we making Du'a for the death of a non-Muslim?!

We are forbidden in making any form of Du'a for the death of a non-Muslim.

Allah is Just, He will do what He pleases. Maybe this miyagi person had=s done SOMETHING good in his life, that has made Allah happy. we dont know brother, so saying that Allah will punish him or he will go to hell, is not for us to say.

Sister please be careful what you say and this goes to everyone else who believes in these words!

Anyone who dies a non-Muslim ALL their work is as ash. They will meet Allah on The Day of Judgment with not even one good deed. There is no consensus among any of the Scholars within this matter, so what you said Sister has gone against all opinions of all Scholars of Islam.

I remember someone tell me a saying from the Prophet (pbuh) that the if a person has a coin's worth of Iman he will be taken out of hell. I don't know if that's an ayah or a hadith. Anyone wanna look it up?

If somebody has never ever heard about Islam or about Prophet Muhammad (salla Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) then they must die worshipping one God alone and not to associate any partners to Him. If he/she dies worshipping something else or joins partners to Allah, they are sent straight to Hell despite whether they knew about Islam or not.
As for the Muslim or those who have heard about "Muslims", then they must believe and fulfil the obligations of the Shahada by carrying out ALL pillars of Islam before death. If one dies by not fulfilling the 5 pillars of Islam at least, they have died with absolutely no Iman.


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[aamirsaab]

A man died for pete's sake. I don't care if he was muslim or not, Pat Morita ,who will be remembered amonst many, died/passed away - the least you could do is show a little consideration for his family. Jeez, a non muslim dies and you get angry when someone is in mourning for them. It's not just muslims who die you know.

Allah will decide whether any person goes to hell or not - so how bout we leave that OUT of the topic and show some respect.

 

[Mu'maneen]

I don't care if he was muslim or not,

You may not care Akhie, but I do care, and I care for my Muslim Ummah. Many things on this post was completely against the Shari'a of Islam, so how can you try and stop me from enjoining good and forbidding evil?!

Are you also trying to deny the fact that non-Muslims go to Hell?
When I ask a question such as this, it does not mean that I have no feelings towards them. I feel sad that he has died without embracing Islam. Others seem to feel sad that "such a comedian" has passed away or "his jokes will be missed". Which one now seems to show the proper consideration?

I ask you to read my post again before reading the first line of my post and then jumping to conclusions:

We are forbidden in making any form of Du'a for the death of a non-Muslim.

Allah is Just, He will do what He pleases. Maybe this miyagi person had=s done SOMETHING good in his life, that has made Allah happy. we dont know brother, so saying that Allah will punish him or he will go to hell, is not for us to say.

Sister please be careful what you say and this goes to everyone else who believes in these words!

Anyone who dies a non-Muslim ALL their work is as ash. They will meet Allah on The Day of Judgment with not even one good deed. There is no consensus among any of the Scholars within this matter, so what you said Sister has gone against all opinions of all Scholars of Islam.

I remember someone tell me a saying from the Prophet (pbuh) that the if a person has a coin's worth of Iman he will be taken out of hell. I don't know if that's an ayah or a hadith. Anyone wanna look it up?

If somebody has never ever heard about Islam or about Prophet Muhammad (salla Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) then they must die worshipping one God alone and not to associate any partners to Him. If he/she dies worshipping something else or joins partners to Allah, they are sent straight to Hell despite whether they knew about Islam or not.
As for the Muslim or those who have heard about "Muslims", then they must believe and fulfil the obligations of the Shahada by carrying out ALL pillars of Islam before death. If one dies by not fulfilling the 5 pillars of Islam at least, they have died with absolutely no Iman.

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[Halima]

Salaam Brother Mu'maneen, I understand what you are saying, however,in order for your refute to stand strong can you please give us the ayah or verse that will substantiate your argument? So that everyone else will see the proof?

Jazakhallah Khairun

 

[Muezzin]

You may not care Akhie, but I do care, and I care for my Muslim Ummah. Many things on this post was completely against the Shari'a of Islam, so how can you try and stop me from enjoining good and forbidding evil?!

Calm down bro. You'll burst a blood vessel.

Are you also trying to deny the fact that non-Muslims go to Hell?
When I ask a question such as this, it does not mean that I have no feelings towards them.

Fair enough. It is also true, however, that Allah makes the rules, not us. Therefore, who is to say what will happen?

I feel sad that he has died without embracing Islam. Others seem to feel sad that "such a comedian" has passed away or "his jokes will be missed". Which one now seems to show the proper consideration?

Can we please stop bickering over this? It's exceedingly pointless.

 

[Mu'maneen]

Salaam Brother Mu'maneen, I understand what you are saying, however,in order for your refute to stand strong can you please give us the ayah or verse that will substantiate your argument? So that everyone else will see the proof?

Of course Dear Sister. Barak Allah Fekum.

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (salla Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam who said:
"By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire."
Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0284


Qur'an:

"That is because they hate/reject that which Allah has sent down (this Quran and Islamic laws, etc.), so He has made their deeds fruitless."
[47:9]

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."
[3:85]

"...And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."
[2:217]

There are tons more evidence to back this up. Not only that, but this is supported by every Scholar of Islam.
If you want more evidence I will be glad to post it up.


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[Khaldun]

Brother Mu'maneen, no one can refute your claims. Whoever disbelieves in Allah and dies that way will enter the Fire. However the issue is, how do we know that a man died as a disbeliever/believer?

Narrated Kharija bin Zaid bin Thabit:

Um Al-'Ala an Ansari woman who had given a pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle told me:, "The Muhajirln (emigrants) were distributed amongst us by drawing lots, and we got 'Uthman bin Maz'un in our share. We made him stay with us in our house. Then he suffered from a disease which proved fatal. When he died and was given a bath and was shrouded in his clothes. Allah's Apostle came, I said, (addressing the dead body), 'O Aba As-Sa'ib! May Allah be Merciful to you! I testify that Allah has honored you.' Allah's Apostle said, 'How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, 'Let my father be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Apostle! On whom else shall Allah bestow. His honor?' Allah's Apostle said, 'As for him, by Allah, death has come to him. By Allah, I wish him all good (from Allah). By Allah, in spite of the fact that I am Allah's Apostle, I do not know what Allah will do to me.", Um Al-'Ala added, "By Allah, I will never attest the righteousness of anybody after that."

This hadith shows that, even the Prophet :arabic5: "The best of creations" was very careful in talking about Jannah and Jahanam, therefore we should also be careful what we utter.


Or have they the unseen so that they write (it) down? [Surah Tuur Ayah 41]

Allah Knows Best.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

A man died for pete's sake. I don't care if he was muslim or not, Pat Morita ,who will be remembered amonst many, died/passed away - the least you could do is show a little consideration for his family. Jeez, a non muslim dies and you get angry when someone is in mourning for them. It's not just muslims who die you know.

Allah will decide whether any person goes to hell or not - so how bout we leave that OUT of the topic and show some respect.

I would agree with aamir saab, as Muslims we are commanded to show respect for the dead. Consider the following hadith:

Once the Prophet was seated at some place in Madinah, along with his Companions. During this time a funeral procession passed by. On seeing this, the Prophet stood up. One of his Companion remarked that the funeral was that of a Jew. The Prophet replied, “Was he not a human being?” (Bukhari, Muslim)

SubhanAllah, if only the Muslims practiced the same tolerance and respect that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh exhibited.

 

[minaz]

Bye Bye Richard Pryor
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4517714.stm

 

[Mu'maneen]

Brother Mu'maneen, no one can refute your claims. Whoever disbelieves in Allah and dies that way will enter the Fire. However the issue is, how do we know that a man died as a disbeliever/believer?

Akhie, that is not the point. We have not heard that he died a Muslim therefore we must not make Du'a for him. That is the point that I am trying to put across.

His wife was with him at his death bed. She is obviously now still non-Muslim so therefore he would have pronounced the Shahada in front of her and therefore we would have known that this man has died a Muslim and therefore had been buried according to the Sunnah. Instead we can see the type of burial he is going to have.

All I am trying to do is warn Muslims to not make Du'a for the disbeliever who has died, rather they should make Du'a for his family and friends who are still alive that they will be shown the light of Islam.

I would agree with aamir saab, as Muslims we are commanded to show respect for the dead.

Where in my post did I show disrespect for him? A'uthobellah. I am just giving evidence that anyone who dies as a disbeliever will enter Hell. No where in my posts did I insult him.


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[hidden_treasure]

Akhie, that is not the point. We have not heard that he died a Muslim therefore we must not make Du'a for him. That is the point that I am trying to put across.

His wife was with him at his death bed. She is obviously now still non-Muslim so therefore he would have pronounced the Shahada in front of her and therefore we would have known that this man has died a Muslim and therefore had been buried according to the Sunnah. Instead we can see the type of burial he is going to have.

All I am trying to do is warn Muslims to not make Du'a for the disbeliever who has died, rather they should make Du'a for his family and friends who are still alive that they will be shown the light of Islam.


Where in my post did I show disrespect for him? A'uthobellah. I am just giving evidence that anyone who dies as a disbeliever will enter Hell. No where in my posts did I insult him.


Assalamu alaikum,

I agree with you brother.

JazakAllahukhair. I knew what you were trying to say the whole time.

Authu billa...imagine NEVER giving thanks to the One who created you, NEVER being obedient to Him, NEVER worshipping Him (the way He commanded us to), NEVER living and breathing islam...how sad.

May Allah protect us all from such a bad ending..ameen.

 

[Mu'maneen]

JazakAllahukhair. I knew what you were trying to say the whole time.

Authu billa...imagine NEVER giving thanks to the One who created you, NEVER being obedient to Him, NEVER worshipping Him (the way He commanded us to), NEVER living and breathing islam...how sad.

May Allah protect us all from such a bad ending..ameen.

Barak Allah Fekum Dear Sister of Islam. Ameen to your Du'a.


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[mariamq]

Well said sis hidden treasure And Ameen to your dua.