Calling all BNP Supporters..!

[Muhammad]

Greetings,

I think you have done a very good thing England, to come and find out for yourself what Islam is actually about. I am glad that you are looking to see beyond stereotypes .

You mentioned that you thought Britain was getting too "soft"... yet on the other hand, people could argue that it is becoming more hardened. I did not know about the national flags and symbols being banned... and I don't know why that is, but Muslims and other religious minorities are suffering too. Most recently we have seen the issue with the veil, yet this is just one of a string of events that are ever seeming to discriminate against Muslims.

Peace.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

well england matey

i hope all the stereotypes are cleared for ya

and any Qs or anythin jus ask, cos thats the best way innit

 

[Trumble]

The increase in Tax may be for several reason mainly to what is happening in the world. Economics.

What increases there have been in tax have been primarily to fund education and healthcare. Those are policy decisions, not economic ones.

 

[GARY]

The idea of catering to minorities is common in many western countries. In the US I believe they call it 'Affirmative Action', and many corporations have their own policies. And yes, this usually pisses off the majority, with good reason.
Often these policies are a failed exercise in political correctness. Many corporations have hiring practices of hiring first minorites, women, disabled, and other groups. Often people are hired to fill a "quota" of 'x - number' of minorites hired, not on their ability to perform the job required. Talented 'white men' that happen to be best suited for the job are passed by for others that fill this quota. This creates anger and more racism. It's what many call "reverse discrimination".
The only real way to ensure that no discrimination is taking place, is to assign a number to each job applicant. No names, no race, no sex, no religion. Then each person answers questions to a panel of interviewers in a recruitment agency. The answers are forwarded to the employer along with the applicant number.

 

[GARY]

i agree that theres alot of illiegal immigration but whether you like it, many of them are doing jobs that white britions would never do in a million years. Why? because they're too proud and see it beneath them. They'd rather collect the dole instead than get on their knees and scrub toliets for example, to earn an honest living.

There will always be people to fill the jobs required. If Britain had only whites, somebody would clean the toilets. It just becomes a question of "why would I do it if that guy is willing to do it?"

 

[GARY]

i agree that theres alot of illiegal immigration but whether you like it, many of them are doing jobs that white britions would never do in a million years. Why? because they're too proud and see it beneath them. They'd rather collect the dole instead than get on their knees and scrub toliets for example, to earn an honest living.

Further, isn't it a bit of a bigoted thing to say that 'white britons' are too proud to clean toilets, and make an honest living? Whites would rather collect the dole? Tsk tsk, racism.

 

[England]

Did you know the nursery rhyme of 'baa baa black sheep' has been banned? I used to sing that at nursery :uuh: My 12yr old sister got a stern look for mentioning the word 'blackboard' which I have always used. All this because it 'may offend blacks.'

Political correctness gone mad.


Oh and thanks Muhammad

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

OMG i know ^ :-\ i cudnt blive it i woz like wotz hapenin!

 

[England]

I wouldn't clean the toilets for minimum wage, stuff that. But if there was a clamp down on immigration and asylum seekers it would save money. The tax would be alot less and the government would have the opportunity to increase the pay and I'm sure Britons would clean toilets for an increased wage.

 

[GARY]

I wouldn't clean the toilets for minimum wage, stuff that. But if there was a clamp down on immigration and asylum seekers it would save money. The tax would be alot less and the government would have the opportunity to increase the pay and I'm sure Britons would clean toilets for an increased wage.

I suspect you are either educated or on your way to being educated, therefore you should not have to clean toilets. But I am sure there are many white Britons that already clean toilets for minimum wage, some even happily. There are still some people around that take pride in any work that they do. An honest day's work for an honest day's pay. Many more would probably also clean toilets if they didn't see it as an "immigrant's job".

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

dis topic has gone sooooo randomly sumwhere else ^o)

 

[Muezzin]

Nothing to stop people from cleaning toilets but their own inhibitions.

I can't believe I just said that.



And now back to the topic...

 

[GARY]

Yes, back on topic. To clarify the point of my earlier posts, I understand the frustration of BNP supporters. Political correctness has gone too far. I just don't know if the answers they suggest are realistic.

 

[Muezzin]

Heck, I don't like the BNP and even I can see political-correctness has gone too far when airline employees aren't allowed to display their crosses, or postage stamps no longer have Christian themed images at Christmas time for 'fear of offence'.

I think a democratic state should have the cajones to let people display any religious symbol they want, not suppress all of them. I also think it's silly that a traditionally Christian festival has been... spiritually neuteured. I'm Muslim, I don't celebrate Christmas, but I'm not going to get offended by the sight of a crucifix or 'baby Jesus' - I live in a traditionally Christian country with certain customs, but I am not obliged to follow them. I wish certain higher-ups could understand this mentality.

That kind of mentality is what multiculturalism is all about - letting everyone express themselves, not suppressing the minority in favour of the majority or vice versa.

 

[GARY]

Heck, I don't like the BNP and even I can see political-correctness has gone too far when airline employees aren't allowed to display their crosses, or postage stamps no longer have Christian themed images at Christmas time for 'fear of offence'.

I think a democratic state should have the cajones to let people display any religious symbol they want, not suppress all of them. I also think it's silly that a traditionally Christian festival has been... spiritually neuteured. I'm Muslim, I don't celebrate Christmas, but I'm not going to get offended by the sight of a crucifix or 'baby Jesus' - I live in a traditionally Christian country with certain customs, but I am not obliged to follow them. I wish certain higher-ups could understand this mentality.

That was......was.....(sniff).....Beautiful man! :'( :laugh:

Seriously, if only everybody could have this view. If only the select few that do whine about the incredible infringment on their rights to have to look at a cross, or a hijab, or see "Christ" in Christmas" would see how petty these silly complaints are.
And if only politicians had the tetiscular fortitude to tell these people, "no, we are not going to waste time on these silly complaints, and Christmas will still be called Christmas. Not 'the holiday season' or 'xmas'.

Muezzin for Prime Minister of Britain.

 

[KAding]

That kind of mentality is what multiculturalism is all about - letting everyone express themselves, not suppressing the minority in favour of the majority or vice versa.

I must say, I find this somewhat ironic at times. Since I always had the impression Islam does not itself endorse multiculturalism, but rather supports the principle of a 'leitkultur' (leading culture).

Am I wrong in this?

 

[Musaafirah]

I must say, I find this somewhat ironic at times. Since I always had the impression Islam does not itself endorse multiculturalism, but rather supports the principle of a 'leitkultur' (leading culture).

Am I wrong in this?

Can I ask, what gave you such an impression?

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

yeah ^ i wana ask da same ting?

 

[KAding]

Can I ask, what gave you such an impression?

Well, let me put it this way. Does Islam say that having many different cultures and religions in one society is a good thing? Does it say that essentially all cultures/religions are equal? That polytheists and atheists are as enriching to society as Muslims? Does it say that having kafirs living together with Muslims in one country is a good thing? Does it embrace kafir lifestyles as an ingredient of a perfect society?

IMHO the answer to all that is 'no'. In Islam the ideal would be a society where everyone is Muslim, where Islamic rules apply to all. An ideal Islamic country is a country where Islam is the guiding principle of society, where non-Islamic influences are minimized as much as possible. In countries where 50% + 1 are Muslim the state and judiciary should be based on Islamic principles, meaning that non-Muslims will considered a different kind of citizen, with different rights, namely dhimmi's. Sure, there are arrangements to deal with minorities, but nevertheless, the leading culture (leitkultur) would have to be Islam. Even between Muslims cultural differences are not celebrated but generally disliked. Thats why you often hear people on this forum complain that "people put their own culture before Islam", "all these superficial cultural differences are dividing the Umma".

All this gave me the impression that Islam preaches the antithesis, the direct opposite, of the ideal of multiculturalism. Islam should be the guiding principle of society, the ideal world is one where everyone;s primary culture is that of Islam.

I could be wrong though. Why do you think Islam endorses or even promotes multiculturalism?

 

[Keltoi]

Well, let me put it this way. Does Islam say that having many different cultures and religions in one society is a good thing? Does it say that essentially all cultures/religions are equal? That polytheists and atheists are as enriching to society as Muslims? Does it say that having kafirs living together with Muslims in one country is a good thing? Does it embrace kafir lifestyles as an ingredient of a perfect society?

IMHO the answer to all that is 'no'. In Islam the ideal would be a society where everyone is Muslim, where Islamic rules apply to all. An ideal Islamic country is a country where Islam is the guiding principle of society, where non-Islamic influences are minimized as much as possible. In countries where 50% + 1 are Muslim the state and judiciary should be based on Islamic principles, meaning that non-Muslims will considered a different kind of citizen, with different rights, namely dhimmi's. Sure, there are arrangements to deal with minorities, but nevertheless, the leading culture (leitkultur) would have to be Islam. Even between Muslims cultural differences are not celebrated but generally disliked. Thats why you often hear people on this forum complain that "people put their own culture before Islam", "all these superficial cultural differences are dividing the Umma".

All this gave me the impression that Islam preaches the antithesis, the direct opposite, of the ideal of multiculturalism. Islam should be the guiding principle of society, the ideal world is one where everyone;s primary culture is that of Islam.

I could be wrong though. Why do you think Islam endorses or even promotes multiculturalism?

This is actually a very good question. I'll be interested to read some responses.