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al yunan said:
Walaikum assalam brother ardianto,

When something is taught at Fardu ain level and is common knowledge there is no need to provide Sanad or proof and only one kind of person would doubt this type of Hadith and I don't think I need to mention who. M.......

Masalam
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Assalamu' alaikum broter Al Yunan

I wrote that because I read your sentence in your post ( I don't think any commentary by anyone is necessary as I believe the story speaks for its self about maintaining human dignity) and I thought you have seen what I have seen.

Ulama in Indonesia teach many good stories about Rasulullah (saw) and Salaf, as moral guidance, not as source for Islamic law. Many Muslim blogger in Indonesia also posted those stories in their blogs. But now I begin to find some brothers make comments in those blogs such as "How do you know if this story is Shahih ?" or "Where is the Sanad of this story ?".

But I think they are just over acting. From what I know, brothers who asked those questions are Muslims who started to learn hadith since "yesterday afternoon", because hadith Ulama and teachers, and also senior students of hadith never questioning those stories.
 
ardianto, your story reminds me of a saying I learned some time ago.

"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." - Chinese proverb
 
ardianto said:
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I have told this story in other thread, but let me tell it again

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One day a poor man came to Rasulullah (saw), he wanted to beg a sadaqah. However, Rasulullah (saw) didn't give him money, but asked him
"Do you have something in your home ?"
"I have, yaa Rasulullah, a blanket that I have cut into two pieces, one for my cloth, another of my sitting pad. I also have a cup"
"Bring that sitting pad here" Rasulullah (saw) said.

Few moment later, he brought that sitting pad to Rasulullah (saw), and Rasulullah (saw) asked sahabi who present in his home.
"Who will buy it ?"
"I will, yaa Rasulullah" one sahaba replied "let me pay one dirham"
But Rasulullah (saw) asked again
"Who will pay more ?"
"I will, yaa Rasulullah" other sahaba replied "let me pay two dirhams"

Sold in two dirhams. Rasulullah (saw) gave one dirham to that poor man
"Use it to buy food for your family"
Then Rasulullah (saw) gave him another one dirham.
"Go to the marketplace and buy an axe"

The poor man went to marketplace, bought an axe and back to Rasulullah (saw) home. Rasulullah (saw) gave him an axe grip.
"Use this axe to seek firewood and sell to the marketplace. Remember, don't come to me before 15 days".

15 days later he came to Rasulullah (saw) with his happy face.
"Alhamdulillah, yaa Rasulullah. I got 15 dirhams from selling firewood, and I could buy food and clothes for my family"
Rasulullah (saw) smile and say.
"It's better than begging, because make begging as habit will make your face get a black spot in the day of qiyamah".

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Brother, sister, please don't ask me about degree of this story, is it shahih, hassan, or dhoif. And don't ask me about sanad of this story, because I don't know. But we are in Indonesia heard this story and many other good stories about Rasulullah (saw) from the Ulama. The story above becomes an inspiration for Muslims activist in Indonesia to help the poor in productive method.
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Masha Allah what an inspiration
thank you for sharing

I remember in our local newspaper, a person begging admitted getting as much as 3600 dollars per day
WOOOW how many black spot he will get?
 
Just a Guy said:
ardianto, your story reminds me of a saying I learned some time ago.

"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." - Chinese proverb
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Thank you very much. There is a similar proverb in Indonesia, but I never know before if Indonesians adopted that proverb from Chinese.
 
al yunan said:
Walaikum assalam brother ardianto, When something is taught at Fardu ain level and is common knowledge there is no need to provide Sanad or proof and only one kind of person would doubt this type of Hadith and I don't think I need to mention who. M.......
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Salaam Bro did you mean me? thats not very nice, i actually learnedfrom the story and infact ive heard it many times before. why would you think i would be doubtful of it? i dont know where you got that impression from.


al yunan said:
Walaikum Assalam sister May Ayob, As I understand it, one should try and help people with out demeaning them (making them feel bad) and to judge what would be best for them that is within our capabilities to offer to them. Remember our concern and thoughtfulness is the greatest part of our reward, for throwing money or food at some one is not Sadaqah for a mere smile of compassion may get us the recognition of Sadaqah. Allowing ourselves to be taken advantage of, is not Sadaqa Considering Sadaqa for who: Our families come first Then our neighbours Muslims in general Any one else What is considered Sadaqa: As per Hadith "even half a date" Food / Clothing Tools one may use to earn a living toys gifts to a child A reading of a Sura for some one A Dua A kind word, smile or gesture Politeness and concern Visit to the sick or aged All acts of good will To name but some forms. I hope this helps and should it not please feel free to ask as many times as you need for that is Sadaqa to me, so from me Jazakallahu Khair and many Thanks for the opportunity given to me. Masalam
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Thank you very much i now understand more, i will ask insha'Allah when ever there is matter that i dont understand.
 
ardianto said:
But I think they are just over acting. From what I know, brothers who asked those questions are Muslims who started to learn hadith since "yesterday afternoon", because hadith Ulama and teachers, and also senior students of hadith never questioning those stories.
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Walaikum Assalam brother ardianto,

Unfortunately in this day and age instead of Fardhu Ain, Mathab and Adab many choose to become Murids of Shaikh Google.
Should you get these people away from their computer, there is not realy much that they can say.
Ahli Sunni wal Internet, Usul Google and Mathab ul cut and paste.
The results are evident, have you considered how many really know Tahara, can learn that too from video ?

Also don't forget that there are many who are against Ahli Sunni wal Jamaah and the only way they know how to respond is by saying our Ahadith are Daif or fabricated and our scholars of 1300 -900 year old fame are sesat.
Our prophet s.a.w Inshallah said "the best one can do when confronted by evil is to ignore it" (not ad verbum)

Masalam
 
May Ayob said:
Salaam Bro did you mean me? thats not very nice, i actually learnedfrom the story and infact ive heard it many times before. why would you think i would be doubtful of it? i dont know where you got that impression from.
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Salam sister,

The M was for Munafiq, how could you think so badly of me ?imsad
The first part of my post was addressed to ardianto.^o)
I'm broken hearted I will just go to my room and sulk now.:cry:

Masalam
 
al yunan said:
Salam sister, The M was for Munafiq, how could you think so badly of me ? The first part of my post was addressed to ardianto. I'm broken hearted I will just go to my room and sulk now. Masalam
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Salaam
im very sorry for what i have written , i dont know but i thought you meant me , but now that you clarified then no probelm. :)
 
Judaism and Christianity both tells their followers to give to Charity but neither has both Zakat and Sadaqah like Islam does.
 
Even if you don't believe in God, it's just good karma to help out your fellow man.
 

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