Can God lie?

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noorahmaf said:
peace be upon you.

Allah is beyond human understanding, you cannot even guess about him, all you need to know about Allah is in the quran and hadith, matters like thinking about can god lie etc can leed you to madness. God is too powerful, too high to be undrstandby our simple human brain.
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Please brother, I would not like you to continue further! Why? I will not tell you now.
Allah is not doing ungodly things, and to lie is ungodly thing! that ALL, I hope the one who opened this thread, will Understand this simple logic !
 
islamic said:
Basirah, or whatever was your nickname, This kind of questions are asked by and atheist, maybe you are one of them , I don't know.
Nowhere in the Quran (as I know) Allah had said HE CAN DO EVERYTHING and ANYTHING! He has power above all things, but HE CAN NOT DO ungodly things, and TO LIE is ungodly thing!
If you are a christian, I can show you WHERE, according to the Bible, God lied.
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what are these godly qualities? they all seem pretty arbitrary.
I think a god could definitly lie. It seems as if you think ungodly qualities are qualities you dont like. "not to mention the idea that many say god is unknowable which i always find as a (I dont like to think about it) answer."
 
ranma1/2 said:
what are these godly qualities? they all seem pretty arbitrary.
I think a god could definitly lie. It seems as if you think ungodly qualities are qualities you dont like. "not to mention the idea that many say god is unknowable which i always find as a (I dont like to think about it) answer."
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Look brother, the attributes of Allah are desriben in the Quran, and also this bad qualitites are described like bad qualities, and LIEer is not one of those attributes of God!
 
ranma1/2 said:
what are these godly qualities? they all seem pretty arbitrary.
I think a god could definitly lie. It seems as if you think ungodly qualities are qualities you dont like. "not to mention the idea that many say god is unknowable which i always find as a (I dont like to think about it) answer."
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Read the article I provided please. :peace:
 
Muj4h1d4 said:
Read the article I provided please. :peace:
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yes sister, right, the one who opene this thread should read what we muslims are answering him, and when he will post again, he should post with understanding from the articles like yours.
 
islamic said:
Look brother, the attributes of Allah are desriben in the Quran, and also this bad qualitites are described like bad qualities, and LIEer is not one of those attributes of God!
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But lets just say for an instance that god can lie.
It could still write everything in the quran. I think the point the poster of the thread is bringing up is that.
 
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For this case lets say god is the creator of us humans.
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Lets say?! Which 'logic' are you arguing with?! :-\

read the article, it realy doesnt have anything to do with my point.
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Nothing to do with your point? Your "point", the "point" of this thread is 'Can God Lie'. God can do anything He wants to, but He wouldn't, and all that has been explained by Ansar Al Adl in the article.
 
Muj4h1d4 said:
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Lets say?! Which 'logic' are you arguing with?! :-\



Nothing to do with your point? Your "point", the "point" of this thread is 'Can God Lie'. God can do anything He wants to, but He wouldn't, and all that has been explained by Ansar Al Adl in the article.
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why wouldnt it? because it would clash with your ideal?
Its pretty clear that if something created us it could be capable of lying.
The only reason you think it isnt is because of your book that could be written by someone thatcan lie.
 
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ranma1/2 said:
why wouldnt it? because it would clash with your ideal?
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No...because your argument is :-\ . Have you even studied our cells? Our DNA? Anything in our bodies? DO you know that everything is created in a perfect system? And you say this has been brought about by chance?!

Its pretty clear that if something created us it could be capable of lying.
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How is that clear? I don't understand, englighten me please.

The only reason you think it isnt is because of your book that could be written by someone thatcan lie.
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Useless, baseless arguments. Can you PROVE the Qur'an isn't from Allaah? I'm sure you are familiar with the miracles of the Qur'aan.

If you are not familiar with the scienttific part in our bodies, I urge you to watch these:

Click Here for Part 1 - Start from 98 minutes.

Click Here for Part 2
 
ranma1/2 said:
why wouldnt it? because it would clash with your ideal?.
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its not about it clashing with our ideal, you see we dont give OUR ideal values at all, we recognize that the one who sent down the book has the most supreme ideals so therefore we agree with it.


to answer your question in a summarised line:

"God only does that which befits his majesty"
 
These kind of questions come to the mind due to the Lack of Understanding of Allah(SWT) and his attributes. Can God lie? you want me to take God down to our level and compare him to us thereby denying the attributes that he is not similiar in anyway to us? well that ain't happening.

I take the stance of the wise scholars of our pst regarding this issue:

Imam Malik once said "[speculative] discussions about religion are odious to me. In fact, the people of this city [Medina] also find it odious and constrain people from it. I am reffering to discussing things such as predestination and the like. I do not like discussions unless they involve specific matters they can act upon"

You can discuss this to death, whatever the answer you get will be based on belief and whatever you conclude on this matter will be your belief. That's a fact :)

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Basirah, your reason is flawed. Just because God is able, doesn't mean he is likely to do so. In another example. God is able to be unjust, but he choses not to be, he choses to be the most just.

Can he make a lift that is to heavy for him to lift, or in other words can he limit his own omnipotence. Yes, of course he can.
Does that mean omnipotence is inheritly flawed? No, that's just a consequence of choice. God can choose to wave some of his powers.
 
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We are working with two distinct questions. Can God lie? and would God lie?

I believe the majority of Christian thought on the matter is that God is "incapable" of lying. By incapable, I don't mean impossible, as nothing is impossible for the Almighty. I think the 4th Meditation of Rene Descarte can be applied here....

To begin with, I recognize that it is impossible that God should ever deceive me. For in every case of trickery or deception some imperfection is to be found; and although the ability to deceive appears to be an indication of cleverness or power, the will to deceive is undoubtedly evidence of malice or weakness, and so cannot apply to God (1984, p. 37).
 
Keltoi said:
We are working with two distinct questions. Can God lie? and would God lie?

I believe the majority of Christian thought on the matter is that God is "incapable" of lying. By incapable, I don't mean impossible, as nothing is impossible for the Almighty. I think the 4th Meditation of Rene Descarte can be applied here....

To begin with, I recognize that it is impossible that God should ever deceive me. For in every case of trickery or deception some imperfection is to be found; and although the ability to deceive appears to be an indication of cleverness or power, the will to deceive is undoubtedly evidence of malice or weakness, and so cannot apply to God (1984, p. 37).
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deception is in the bible.
Even if its a test of faith, god does deceive in the bible.
 
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:lol: You can't answer us Muslims, so you attack Keltoi's religion, Christianity? Lol....
 
syilla said:
What will God benefit from these? :?
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How does God benefit from kindness?!?

If he cannot benefit, than why be kind?

Useless, baseless arguments. Can you PROVE the Qur'an isn't from Allaah? I'm sure you are familiar with the miracles of the Qur'aan.
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Not my job. You have to prove its from god. Your "miracles" in the Quran are not impressive.
 
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Basirah said:
Your "miracles" in the Quran are not impressive.
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name one miracle of the Quran you dont find impressive?

and dont make a blanket statement like "i dont consider them to be miracles".

name one which is considered to be a miracle which you dont consider to be anything special, and i'll explain to you what makes it a true miracle which is only possible from a source such as God !
 
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Basirah said:
How does God benefit from kindness?!?
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God doesn't benefit - humans do.

If he cannot benefit, than why be kind?
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Because humans should be nice to each other anyway. In Islam helping people/being kind is encouraged because it also counts for the hereafter.

Not my job. You have to prove its from god. Your "miracles" in the Quran are not impressive.
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It is upto you to now provide a miracle from the Quran that is as you have allegedly stated not impressive. Burdon of proof is upon you since you bought it to the table.

If you cannot meet this term, withdraw your statement.
 

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