Can God lie?

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First of all, Adam and Eve did die, and so do all of their descendants. The Hebrew idiom used for "in the day" meant a certainty of death, not the immediacy of death. One of those issues with translating words into another language.

If this is explained by a mistranslation, its a pretty severe one.

Makes you wonder why the Christians don't insist on readings of the Bible in the original language as many muslims insist on reading the Quran in arabic.
 
If this is explained by a mistranslation, its a pretty severe one.

Makes you wonder why the Christians don't insist on readings of the Bible in the original language as many muslims insist on reading the Quran in arabic.

The actual original bible, very much contradicts the current form. This is because of the nature of translating the hebrew (I believe it was?) into the current form.

Muslims, if you ever seen a debate, when they say the bible prophesises the coming of our Prophet :saw:, or that it doesn't say Jesus is son of God or that trinity doesn't exist, will never use the current bible - as that would be contradictory. Rather, they will show certain mistranslations from the original texts (or atleast some transcrips that exist) to come to a conclusion - some very nice lectures on the issue by Ahmed Deedat.

I am not sure, why the actual texts are not used but rather translations, which even some christians do not abide by. In Islam, we are not allowed to make distinctions based on translations, it must be done through its Arabic and only by those qualified to be trusted in taking it into context.
 
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This question is dumb and ridiculous and you all know the answer to that.
Allah is Al-Haqq- the true.If Allah lied that means he would not fullfill his promise to us like in the end we will be victorious, and Allah as he says never breaks his promises.

may Allah guide the unguided that is if he wants them to be guided.

There is only one god<Allah and Muhammad is his messengerand servant,and JESUSIS NOT HIS SON BUT HIS SERVANT AND PROPHETAND YOU KNOW ITS TRUE SO ACCEPT ISLAM,THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION.Accept this Oh you Christians who have ascribed partners with Allah ,the Almighty.ACCEPT.THIS IS THE TRUE AND ONLY PATH AND RELIGION EVERY OTHER RELIGION IS FALSE AND YOU KNOW THIS.
 
Asalam alakum i studied your point and i have this answer that if god speaks (don't know if) he only orders the angels so of course he doesn't lie to the angels that are his really close creations so that is the point by the way what is your religon?
 
If this is explained by a mistranslation, its a pretty severe one.

Makes you wonder why the Christians don't insist on readings of the Bible in the original language as many muslims insist on reading the Quran in arabic.

Id more interested into why the majority of "christian scholars" dont apply literary critisizim to their work. Granted, this isnt only a problem in christianity, muslims trying to pove Muhammed is in the bible or show Islam to be the true religion using bible verses also have a habit of ignoring the obvious.

Given the lack of evidence for previous texts the Qur'an claims to have existed (ie. Injeel), then the evidence pts out that the bible and torah are as they always were. They were just always badly written.
 
Okay, reading upon Tafsir Ibn Kathir, It seems that rather God have acted as the deceiver, it was more of a punishment. They believed they had killed Isa (RA) due to their mistakes and that those who believe in this do so because of ignorance - It is like, we can't blame god If someone does not believe in him, we can't say that person was deceived by God, similarly this stance is taken for the majority that do believe as this was the punishment for some people).

Similarly, if God sends you to hell - we don't make the rationale that God is not forgiving, as he has sent you to hell, rather you had placed yourself their.

We know in all God's ways, he knows best. The life is a test, so we should be asured that if Isa (RA) was merely in front of them taken into the heavens - surely they would believe! But this would have ruined the purpose of life, being a test based on faith. Furthermore, those people were not of the worthy to gain such a mercy of God (as seen further below). God is omniscient, thus his doings cannot be short of justice.

So, this is a punishment, a curse, but how so and why? I present the following: It is Long, I understand not all have time, but I have bolded some parts which you can read, however to gain context it is good to read it all if you have time inshallah.

Muhammad bin Ka`b Al-Qurazi, As-Suddi and Qatadah said that the Jews asked the Messenger of Allah to cause a book to come down to them from heaven, just as the Tawrah was sent down to Musa. Ibn Jurayj said that the Jews asked the Messenger to cause books to come down to them addressed to so-and-so among them, testifying to the truth of what he was sent with. The Jews only asked for this because of their stubbornness, defiance, rejection and disbelief. The disbelievers of Quraysh also asked for similar things from the Prophet, as is mentioned in Surat Al-Isra',


﴿وَقَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى تَفْجُرَ لَنَا مِنَ الاٌّرْضِ يَنْبُوعًا ﴾


(And they say: "We shall not believe in you, until you cause a spring to gush forth from the earth for us;) (17:90) Allah said,


﴿فَقَدْ سَأَلُواْ مُوسَى أَكْبَرَ مِن ذلِكَ فَقَالُواْ أَرِنَا اللَّهِ جَهْرَةً فَأَخَذَتْهُمُ الصَّـعِقَةُ بِظُلْمِهِمْ﴾


(Indeed, they asked Musa for even greater than that, when they said, "Show us Allah in public,'' but they were struck with a bolt of lightning for their wickedness.) injustice, transgression, defiance and rebellion. This part was explained in Surat Al-Baqarah,


﴿وَإِذْ قُلْتُمْ يَـمُوسَى لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى نَرَى اللَّهَ جَهْرَةً فَأَخَذَتْكُمُ الصَّـعِقَةُ وَأَنتُمْ تَنظُرُونَ - ثُمَّ بَعَثْنَـكُم مِّن بَعْدِ مَوْتِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ ﴾


(And (remember) when you said: "O Musa! We shall never believe in you until we see Allah plainly.'' But you were struck by a bolt of lightning while you were looking. Then We raised you up after your death, so that you might be grateful.) (2:55,56) Allah's statement,


﴿ثُمَّ اتَّخَذُواْ الْعِجْلَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَآءَتْهُمُ الْبَيِّنَـتُ﴾


(Then they worshipped the calf even after Al-Bayyinat had come to them.) meaning, after they witnessed the tremendous miracles and unequivocal proofs at the hand of Musa in Egypt. They also witnessed the demise of their enemy, Fir`awn and his soldiers, when they all drowned in the sea. Yet soon after, when they passed by a people who were worshipping idols, they said to Musa,


﴿اجْعَلْ لَّنَآ إِلَـهًا كَمَا لَهُمْ ءَالِهَةٌ﴾


(Make for us a god as they have gods.) Allah explains the story of the Jews worshipping the calf in Surat Al-A`raf (7) and Surah Ta Ha (20) after Musa went to meet with his Lord. When Musa returned, Allah decreed that in order for the Jews to earn accepted repentance, then those who did not worship the calf would have to kill those who worshipped it. They complied with this command, and Allah resurrected them afterwards. Allah said here,


﴿فَعَفَوْنَا عَن ذلِكَ وَءَاتَيْنَا مُوسَى سُلْطَـناً مُّبِيناً﴾


((Even) so We forgave them. And We gave Musa a clear proof of authority. ) Allah then said,


﴿وَرَفَعْنَا فَوْقَهُمُ الطُّورَ بِمِيثَـقِهِمْ﴾


(And for their covenant, We raised over them the mount,) This was when they refrained from implementing the rulings of the Tawrah and refused what Musa brought them from Allah. So Allah raised the mountain above their heads and they were ordered to prostrate, which they did. Even so, they were looking above when they were prostrating for fear that the mountain might fall on them,


﴿وَإِذ نَتَقْنَا الْجَبَلَ فَوْقَهُمْ كَأَنَّهُ ظُلَّةٌ وَظَنُّواْ أَنَّهُ وَاقِعٌ بِهِمْ خُذُواْ مَآ ءَاتَيْنَاكُم بِقُوَّةٍ﴾


(And (remember) when We raised the mountain over them as if it had been a canopy, and they thought that it was going to fall on them. (We said): "Hold firmly to what We have given you.'') Allah then said,


﴿وَقُلْنَا لَهُمُ ادْخُلُواْ الْبَابَ سُجَّداً﴾


(and We said, "Enter the gate prostrating (or bowing) with humility;'') meaning that they also defied this command in word and action. They were commanded to enter Bayt Al-Quds (in Jerusalem) while bowing and saying "Hittah'', meaning: `O Allah! take from us our sin of abandoning Jihad.' This was the cause of their wandering in the desert of Tih for forty years. Yet, they entered the House while crawling on their rear ends and saying `Hintah (a wheat grain) in Sha`rah (the hair)'.


﴿وَقُلْنَا لَهُمْ لاَ تَعْدُواْ فِى السَّبْتِ﴾


(and We commanded them, "Transgress not the Sabbath (Saturday).'') meaning, We commanded them to honor the Sabbath and honor what Allah prohibited them on that day.


﴿وَأَخَذْنَا مِنْهُمْ مِّيثَـقاً غَلِيظاً﴾


t(And We took from them a firm covenant.) meaning, strong covenant. They rebelled, transgressed and committed what Allah prohibited by using deceit and trickery, as is mentioned in Surat Al-A`raf (7),


﴿وَسْئَلْهُمْ عَنِ الْقَرْيَةِ الَّتِى كَانَتْ حَاضِرَةَ الْبَحْرِ﴾


(And ask them about the town that was by the sea.)


﴿فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِمْ مَّيثَـقَهُمْ وَكُفْرِهِم بَـَايَـتِ اللَّهِ وَقَتْلِهِمُ الاٌّنْبِيَآءَ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَقَوْلِهِمْ قُلُوبُنَا غُلْفٌ بَلْ طَبَعَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهَا بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً - وَبِكُفْرِهِمْ وَقَوْلِهِمْ عَلَى مَرْيَمَ بُهْتَـناً عَظِيماً - وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ مَا لَهُمْ بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلاَّ اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِيناً - بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَزِيزاً حَكِيماً ﴾


﴿وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَـبِ إِلاَّ لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَـمَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيداً ﴾


(155. Because of their breaking the covenant, and their rejecting the Ayat of Allah, and their killing the Prophets unjustly, and their saying: "Our hearts are Ghulf,'' nay, Allah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little.) (156. And because of their disbelief and uttering against Maryam a grave false charge.) (157. And because of their saying, "We killed Al-Masih `Isa, son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah,'' but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared as that to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not.) (158. But Allah raised him up unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.) (159. And there is none of the People of the Scripture, but must believe in him, before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection, he will be a witness against them.)

The sins mentioned here are among the many sins that the Jews committed, which caused them to be cursed and removed far away from right guidance. The Jews broke the promises and vows that Allah took from them, and also rejected Allah's Ayat, meaning His signs and proofs, and the miracles that they witnessed at the hands of their Prophets. Allah said,


﴿وَقَتْلِهِمُ الاٌّنْبِيَآءَ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ﴾


(and their killing the Prophets unjustly,) because their many crimes and offenses against the Prophets of Allah, for they killed many Prophets, may Allah's peace be upon them Their saying:


﴿قُلُوبُنَا غُلْفٌ﴾


("Our hearts are Ghulf,'') meaning, wrapped with covering, according to Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, As-Suddi and Qatadah. This is similar to the what the idolators said,


﴿وَقَالُواْ قُلُوبُنَا فِى أَكِنَّةٍ مِمَّا تَدْعُونَا إِلَيْهِ﴾


(And they say: "Our hearts are under coverings (screened) from that to which you invite us.'') Allah said,


﴿بَلْ طَبَعَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهَا بِكُفْرِهِمْ﴾


(nay, Allah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief,) It is as if they had given an excuse that their hearts do not understand what the Prophet says since their hearts are wrapped with coverings, so they claim. Allah said that their hearts are sealed because of their disbelief, as we mentioned before in the explanation of Surat Al-Baqarah. Allah then said,


﴿فَلاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً﴾


(so they believe not but a little.) for their hearts became accustomed to Kufr, transgression and weak faith.

Allah said,


﴿وَبِكُفْرِهِمْ وَقَوْلِهِمْ عَلَى مَرْيَمَ بُهْتَـناً عَظِيماً ﴾


(And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam a grave false charge.) `Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas stated that the Jews accused Maryam of fornication.This is also the saying of As-Suddi, Juwaybir, Muhammad bin Ishaq and several others. This meaning is also apparent in the Ayah, as the Jews accused Maryam and her son of grave accusations: They accused her of fornication and claimed that `Isa was an illegitimate son. Some of them even claimed that she was menstruating while fornicating. May Allah's continued curse be upon them until the Day of Resurrection. The Jews also said,

﴿إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ﴾


("We killed Al-Masih, `Isa, son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah,'') meaning, we killed the person who claimed to be the Messenger of Allah. The Jews only uttered these words in jest and mockery, just as the polytheists said,


﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِى نُزِّلَ عَلَيْهِ الذِّكْرُ إِنَّكَ لَمَجْنُونٌ﴾


(O you to whom the Dhikr (the Qur'an) has been sent down! Verily, you are a mad man!) When Allah sent `Isa with proofs and guidance, the Jews, may Allah's curses, anger, torment and punishment be upon them, envied him because of his prophethood and obvious miracles; curing the blind and leprous and bringing the dead back to life, by Allah's leave. He also used to make the shape of a bird from clay and blow in it, and it became a bird by Allah's leave and flew. `Isa performed other miracles that Allah honored him with, yet the Jews defied and bellied him and tried their best to harm him. Allah's Prophet `Isa could not live in any one city for long and he had to travel often with his mother, peace be upon them. Even so, the Jews were not satisfied, and they went to the king of Damascus at that time, a Greek polytheist who worshipped the stars. They told him that there was a man in Bayt Al-Maqdis misguiding and dividing the people in Jerusalem and stirring unrest among the king's subjects. The king became angry and wrote to his deputy in Jerusalem to arrest the rebel leader, stop him from causing unrest, crucify him and make him wear a crown of thorns. When the king's deputy in Jerusalem received these orders, he went with some Jews to the house that `Isa was residing in, and he was then with twelve, thirteen or seventeen of his companions. That day was a Friday, in the evening. They surrounded `Isa in the house, and when he felt that they would soon enter the house or that he would sooner or later have to leave it, he said to his companions, "Who volunteers to be made to look like me, for which he will be my companion in Paradise'' A young man volunteered, but `Isa thought that he was too young. He asked the question a second and third time, each time the young man volunteering, prompting `Isa to say, "Well then, you will be that man.'' Allah made the young man look exactly like `Isa, while a hole opened in the roof of the house, and `Isa was made to sleep and ascended to heaven while asleep. Allah said,

﴿إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يعِيسَى إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَىَّ﴾


(And (remember) when Allah said: "O `Isa! I will take you and raise you to Myself.'') When `Isa ascended, those who were in the house came out. When those surrounding the house saw the man who looked like `Isa, they thought that he was `Isa. So they took him at night, crucified him and placed a crown of thorns on his head. The Jews then boasted that they killed `Isa and some Christians accepted their false claim, due to their ignorance and lack of reason. As for those who were in the house with `Isa, they witnessed his ascension to heaven, while the rest thought that the Jews killed `Isa by crucifixion. They even said that Maryam sat under the corpse of the crucified man and cried, and they say that the dead man spoke to her. All this was a test from Allah for His servants out of His wisdom. Allah explained this matter in the Glorious Qur'an which He sent to His honorable Messenger, whom He supported with miracles and clear, unequivocal evidence. Allah is the Most Truthful, and He is the Lord of the worlds Who knows the secrets, what the hearts conceal, the hidden matters in heaven and earth, what has occurred, what will occur, and what would occur if it was decreed. He said,


﴿وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ﴾


(but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared as that to them,) referring to the person whom the Jews thought was `Isa. This is why Allah said afterwards,


﴿وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ مَا لَهُمْ بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلاَّ اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ﴾


(and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture.) referring to the Jews who claimed to kill `Isa and the ignorant Christians who believed them. Indeed they are all in confusion, misguidance and bewilderment. This is why Allah said,


﴿وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِيناً﴾


(For surely; they killed him not.) meaning they are not sure that `Isa was the one whom they killed. Rather, they are in doubt and confusion over this matter.


﴿بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَزِيزاً﴾


(But Allah raised him up unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful,) meaning, He is the Almighty, and He is never weak, nor will those who seek refuge in Him ever be subjected to disgrace,


﴿حَكِيماً﴾


(All-Wise.) in all that He decides and ordains for His creatures. Indeed, Allah's is the clearest wisdom, unequivocal proof and the most glorious authority. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "Just before Allah raised `Isa to the heavens, `Isa went to his companions, who were twelve inside the house. When he arrived, his hair was dripping water and he said, `There are those among you who will disbelieve in me twelve times after he had believed in me.' He then asked, `Who volunteers that his image appear as mine, and be killed in my place. He will be with me (in Paradise)' One of the youngest ones among them volunteered and `Isa asked him to sit down. `Isa again asked for a volunteer, and the young man kept volunteering and `Isa asking him to sit down. Then the young man volunteered again and `Isa said, `You will be that man,' and the resemblance of `Isa was cast over that man while `Isa ascended to heaven from a hole in the house. When the Jews came looking for `Isa, they found that young man and crucified him. Some of `Isa's followers disbelieved in him twelve times after they had believed in him. They then divided into three groups. One group, Al-Ya`qubiyyah (Jacobites), said, `Allah remained with us as long as He willed and then ascended to heaven.' Another group, An-Nasturiyyah (Nestorians), said, `The son of Allah was with us as long as he willed and Allah took him to heaven.' Another group, Muslims, said, `The servant and Messenger of Allah remained with us as long as Allah willed, and Allah then took him to Him.' The two disbelieving groups cooperated against the Muslim group and they killed them. Ever since that happened, Islam was then veiled until Allah sent Muhammad .'' This statement has an authentic chain of narration leading to Ibn `Abbas, and An-Nasa'i narrated it through Abu Kurayb who reported it from Abu Mu`awiyah. Many among the Salaf stated that `Isa asked if someone would volunteer for his appearance to be cast over him, and that he will be killed instead of `Isa, for which he would be his companion in Paradise.

All Christians Will Believe in `Isa Before He Dies

Allah said,


﴿وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَـبِ إِلاَّ لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَـمَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيداً ﴾


(And there is none of the People of the Scripture, but must believe in him, before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection, he will be a witness against them.) Ibn Jarir recorded that Ibn `Abbas commented,


﴿وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَـبِ إِلاَّ لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ﴾


(And there is none of the People of the Scripture, but must believe in him, before his death.) before the death of `Isa, son of Maryam, peace be upon him. Al-`Awfi reported similar from Ibn `Abbas. Abu Malik commented;


﴿إِلاَّ لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ﴾


(but must believe in him, before his death.) "This occurs after `Isa returns and before he dies, as then, all of the People of the Scriptures will believe in him.''
 
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This question is dumb and ridiculous and you all know the answer to that.
Allah is Al-Haqq- the true.If Allah lied that means he would not fullfill his promise to us like in the end we will be victorious, and Allah as he says never breaks his promises.

may Allah guide the unguided that is if he wants them to be guided.

There is only one god<Allah and Muhammad is his messengerand servant,and JESUSIS NOT HIS SON BUT HIS SERVANT AND PROPHETAND YOU KNOW ITS TRUE SO ACCEPT ISLAM,THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION.Accept this Oh you Christians who have ascribed partners with Allah ,the Almighty.ACCEPT.THIS IS THE TRUE AND ONLY PATH AND RELIGION EVERY OTHER RELIGION IS FALSE AND YOU KNOW THIS.

Since god is infinite, he has no need to fufill any promise made. Also, how do you know your allah did not lie when he said he never breaks promises?
 
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Since god is infinite, he has no need to fufill any promise made.
True, yet He still does. Therefore there is a meaning behind it - we just don't know what it is.
Also, how do you know your allah did not lie when he said he never breaks promises?
We have something called faith.
 
Also, how do you know your allah did not lie when he said he never breaks promises?

would you doubt someone when you have never seem then to break a promise? rather you have seen them fulfil one after another.

All the promises in the Quran are fulfilled and are waiting to be fulfilled. Allah has given us guidelines and duties and ensured us of certain rewards, i have found them all to be true.
 
Allah stated that lying was permitted as a ruse to unbeleivers.
Would he or other Gods themselves lie? Unknown.
Does God "get" anything from us?
Praise. Existance. Lots of stuff.
 
Allah stated that lying was permitted as a ruse to unbeleivers.
are you sure about this? the only lie God permits are ones to get ourselves out of life and death situations, we cannot lie unless we're held under the knife! but even then many companions of the prophet sallallahi alaihi wasallaam chose to be honest, may Allah reward them.

btw where did you get this from?

Would he or other Gods themselves lie? Unknown.
God allows you to sin/eat/sleep etc, doesnt mean he does it himself !

Does God "get" anything from us?
Praise. Existance. Lots of stuff.
God is in no need of any of us, we are blessed to even exist.
 
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Does God "get" anything from us?
Praise. Existance. Lots of stuff.

LOL. He doesn't 'get' that from us, that is for our own benefit, to earn a better place in the Hereafter. :rollseyes
 
why do people keep thinking of God as something they can understand? you cant! the most knowledgable man who ever existed didnt even have a drop in the ocean compared to Allah !


i pray Allah guides us all
 

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