Can I follow the Old Testament in Islam?

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yep simply...for an ant who leads life in discipline ...a cat is unimaginable.. for a cat who spentvtime looking for fish a human being is unimaginable ...for a human being..who leads life for faith love etc...the galaxy...is unimaginable.....it goes....it goes....
the creator of everything .Allah...is mericiful at its highest is UNIMAGINABLE
 

Salam. I was planning to write it until I saw that you had written it yourself.

Allah is referred as "HU(HE)" for several times in Quran. Third person singular. This means to me He is a person. "Say: HE Allah is one"

Ofcourse what you say is correct. Our attributes are insignificant. Allah's attributes are eternal. This means He is the eternal person.
 
Salam. I was planning to write it until I saw that you had written it yourself.

Allah is referred as "HU(HE)" for several times in Quran. Third person singular. This means to me He is a person. "Say: HE Allah is one"

Ofcourse what you say is correct. Our attributes are insignificant. Allah's attributes are eternal. This means He is the eternal person.

No.

The problem with using the word "person" is that this is what the Christians do when they anthropomorphize God. TO some, he is a "person" with a long white beard who sits in the clouds - that's what the use of the word "person" does - it allows corruptions to set into the theology.

Allah never refers to Himself as a "person".

Also the idea of "person" is nuanced to belong to a "personality" - and personalities are not perfect - they are flawed - whereas Allah is perfect.

Scimi
 
The Israelites conquered and killed other tribes when necessary, just as Muhammad and early Islam did. The Israelites were tolerant of other tribes that didn't threaten them. For example in Jeremiah 35, God tells Jeremiah to respect the Rechabites (another tribe/people) because they are good people who keep to their traditions. I think there is a lot in common between the early Israelites and early Islam.
No Muslims of first generation didn't kill their opponents but in defence. Do you know that only 459 kuffar were killed in 82 battles. Can you show me how many people were killed by Israelites...? Even their deviant ancestors killed the prophets a.s.
 
No Muslims of first generation didn't kill their opponents but in defence. Do you know that only 459 kuffar were killed in 82 battles. Can you show me how many people were killed by Israelites...? Even their deviant ancestors killed the prophets a.s.
How can you say this? There were more Banu Qurayza killed than your number.
 
It was the punishment to them. They were sentenced to death for their breach of treaty

The person who honestly is searching for the truth based on objectivity and would have investigated Islam based on objectivity and honesty, would already have known that. Every person who has honestly searched about the whole story of Banu Qurayza would not bring this even up as they have heard the whole story and seen that nothing is left but to indeed agree on it. What you are doing is try to show somebody something, but that individual doesn't want to open his eyes to look at what you are trying to show him. So my question to you, how can you point at something so somebody can see it, if he or she doesn't want to open their eyes to look at? If you would even describe it in words, that individual would say...what are you talking about..all i see is darkness (inside of his eyelids). Which indeed he IS RIGHT, as all he sees is the inside of his eyelids which is darkness.

I have had discussion with many people of different philosophies even people who call themselves Muslims, but all they show is nationalism. When you corner them with some questions that they can't answer, because that shows their dishonesty to themselves and to others who are following the discussion. They just shut and won't respond anymore.

I have had a discussion with a guy who said he was a Jew. Based on our discussion, all he did was have blind faith in something, like Christians blindly follow the concept of Jesus(as) dying for their sins. Every time i gave him a question that he couldn't answer..he would not reply or say..every religion has it's "errors"=_=!. When i gave him the argument that cornered him so much, he never responded again. Sub'han'Allah, that really made me speechless of how Allah(swt) talks about these dishonest people and the ingredients to guidance. I mean if you are so dishonest and you KNOW that you are wrong, how come you don't admit it?..all pride and arrogance. Thinking if you admit that you are wrong is sign of "weakness"=_=! while it is a sign of wisdom as you would gain more knowledge from the other person who is right.

Then you have people who are confused why Allah(swt) says he guides whom He wants to guide. I have observed MANY different people and especially tried to look at minor details in searching for the dishonesty. SUB'HAN'ALLAH..i was shocked by what i discovered. I have seen people who are weak in imaan do sins, but are very honest in their actions and do truly believe in a Creator. They admit in everything. I have also seen people who are not Muslims and having almost all the traits a Muslim should have minus the praying, fasting etc. but do have good character etc. The minor details when you observe their behavior show their dishonesty. When you corner them with the obvious argument, instead of them pondering about your argument, they try to hop on another subject of trying to debunk Islam. When you corner them also on that, after a while..they just get all agitated and show signs that they want to stop the discussion. Those people i leave them be, as they themselves are the cause of not being guided by Allah(swt).

Sadly when we have discussions online it is hard to directly reveal the dishonesty of the person you are having the discussion with. However, i would suggest to think of such question that corner people instantly. This saves you A LOT of time. Time that you could rather have spend on something that YOU would even benefited from. Da'wah is a good thing, but it is a waist of time when you try to discuss with a person who is not being honest in the first place.
 
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The person who honestly is searching for the truth based on objectivity and would have investigated Islam based on objectivity and honesty, would already have known that. Every person who has honestly searched about the whole story of Banu Qurayza would not bring this even up as they have heard the whole story and seen that nothing is left but to indeed agree on it. What you are doing is try to show somebody something, but that individual doesn't want to open his eyes to look at what you are trying to show him. So my question to you, how can you point at something so somebody can see it, if he or she doesn't want to open their eyes to look at? If you would even describe it in words, that individual would say...what are you talking about..all i see is darkness (inside of his eyelids). Which indeed he IS RIGHT, as all he sees is the inside of his eyelids which is darkness.

I have had discussion with many people of different philosophies even people who call themselves Muslims, but all they show is nationalism. When you corner them with some questions that they can't answer, because that shows their dishonesty to themselves and to others who are following the discussion. They just shut and won't respond anymore.

I have had a discussion with a guy who said he was a Jew. Based on our discussion, all he did was have blind faith in something, like Christians blindly follow the concept of Jesus(as) dying for their sins. Every time i gave him a question that he couldn't answer..he would not reply or say..every religion has it's "errors"=_=!. When i gave him the argument that cornered him so much, he never responded again. Sub'han'Allah, that really made me speechless of how Allah(swt) talks about these dishonest people and the ingredients to guidance. I mean if you are so dishonest and you KNOW that you are wrong, how come you don't admit it?..all pride and arrogance. Thinking if you admit that you are wrong is sign of "weakness"=_=! while it is a sign of wisdom as you would gain more knowledge from the other person who is right.

Then you have people who are confused why Allah(swt) says he guides whom He wants to guide. I have observed MANY different people and especially tried to look at minor details in searching for the dishonesty. SUB'HAN'ALLAH..i was shocked by what i discovered. I have seen people who are weak in imaan do sins, but are very honest in their actions and do truly believe in a Creator. They admit in everything. I have also seen people who are not Muslims and having almost all the traits a Muslim should have minus the praying, fasting etc. but do have good character etc. The minor details when you observe their behavior show their dishonesty. When you corner them with the obvious argument, instead of them pondering about your argument, they try to hop on another subject of trying to debunk Islam. When you corner them also on that, after a while..they just get all agitated and show signs that they want to stop the discussion. Those people i leave them be, as they themselves are the cause of not being guided by Allah(swt).

Sadly when we have discussions online it is hard to directly reveal the dishonesty of the person you are having the discussion with. However, i would suggest to think of such question that corner people instantly. This saves you A LOT of time. Time that you could rather have spend on something that YOU would even benefited from. Da'wah is a good thing, but it is a waist of time when you try to discuss with a person who is not being honest in the first place.
Brother
Da'wah is not waste of time because
1.The things you wrote above is WISDOM you got by doing da'wah.you would know about it if you didnt do da'wah
2.Allah knows everything so Allah says in Qur'an varioud offers to a daee.Allah offers sure hidaya to the person who invites others...
A person who seeks rewards from Allah by doing Da'wah 100%get rewarded by Allah..than the person who hears it
3.It is Allah swt the changer of hearts...often we forget than...no persons heart is in our control
4.Have sabr...Surely Allah rewards for effort than result
5logic:we know we all will die..we live ..we struggle to get a job...get positions...get comfort etc... like that it is very importto da'wah and get wisdom...Da'wah is effort rewarded by Allah and never a waste of time..

i know how you feel ...always the one benefits is the speaker itself than the hearer.in that case sometimes we speak to Allah ...we dua to Allah...when we dua we benefits ourselves.Allah knows everything.
 
Allah says sure rewards to a Daee ...but not Allah says not about the people who just hears it
 
No.

The problem with using the word "person" is that this is what the Christians do when they anthropomorphize God. TO some, he is a "person" with a long white beard who sits in the clouds - that's what the use of the word "person" does - it allows corruptions to set into the theology.

Allah never refers to Himself as a "person".

Also the idea of "person" is nuanced to belong to a "personality" - and personalities are not perfect - they are flawed - whereas Allah is perfect.

Scimi

The anthropomorphization of God is wrong and it exists in many other religions like Chirstianity. Pagan religions like Hinduism does it more but it has nothing to do with Allah being a person according to Islam. Quran doesn't describe Allah with a long white beard though there are some analogies like Allah's both hands being open. You mix these things. Allah's essence is unknown and cannot be known but we know "who" Allah is as much as He explained in Quran.

You contradict yourself still by refering to Allah as "Himself". Why don't you say "Itself"? Because Allah has a person and refeers to "Himself" as "Hu/He" in Quran.

It is human personalities which are imperfect. We don't apply our personalities to Allah. Allah has His eternal and perfect personality. We are the ones who have insignificant and imperfect personalities.
 
The anthropomorphization of God is wrong and it exists in many other religions like Chirstianity. Pagan religions like Hinduism does it more but it has nothing to do with Allah being a person according to Islam. Quran doesn't describe Allah with a long white beard though there are some analogies like Allah's both hands being open. You mix these things. Allah's essence is unknown and cannot be known but we know "who" Allah is as much as He explained in Quran.

You contradict yourself still by refering to Allah as "Himself". Why don't you say "Itself"? Because Allah has a person and refeers to "Himself" as "Hu/He" in Quran.

It is human personalities which are imperfect. We don't apply our personalities to Allah. Allah has His eternal and perfect personality. We are the ones who have insignificant and imperfect personalities.

The HE we use is a royal masculine and not a gender masculine bro.

SO again, you are wrong.

Scimi
 
Brother
Da'wah is not waste of time because
1.The things you wrote above is WISDOM you got by doing da'wah.you would know about it if you didnt do da'wah
2.Allah knows everything so Allah says in Qur'an varioud offers to a daee.Allah offers sure hidaya to the person who invites others...
A person who seeks rewards from Allah by doing Da'wah 100%get rewarded by Allah..than the person who hears it
3.It is Allah swt the changer of hearts...often we forget than...no persons heart is in our control
4.Have sabr...Surely Allah rewards for effort than result
5logic:we know we all will die..we live ..we struggle to get a job...get positions...get comfort etc... like that it is very importto da'wah and get wisdom...Da'wah is effort rewarded by Allah and never a waste of time..

i know how you feel ...always the one benefits is the speaker itself than the hearer.in that case sometimes we speak to Allah ...we dua to Allah...when we dua we benefits ourselves.Allah knows everything.

Brother, you didn't understand what i tried to say. I have never said "Da'Wah is waste of time.". I would NEVER say that. What i said, is don't do da'wa to people who are dishonest to begin with. I mean indeed i have gained a lot of knowledge out of it (alhamdulillah), but because of this knowledge, i am swift in asking the right kind of questions to bring out the honesty or the dishonesty in a person. When somebody is honest, that is so to say the key to further have the discussion. If somebody is dishonest that is also the key to stop the discussion as it leads to nowhere. However, do keep in mind, although that individual might not be honest that you are having the discussion with, somebody else might read your discussion with him/her. So ask the right question to give the reader the brain food to ponder about. That individual that is dishonest, might not ponder about and indeed stop the discussion as it is waste of your time. But that question might be very beneficial for somebody else who is honest.

So i don't want somebody to convert because what i have said as i know and understand is not in my hands. My argument is only of people who are dishonest. For the honest person even, it can take many months to years before they even convert. Or maybe never convert, because they never indeed followed up the pondering. Somebody might be honest, but if he or she doesn't search for it, that is also then the case that they never would become Muslims. Many are very honest people here in the west, but their priorities are kind of messed up. They LOVE to read Harry Potter and other books that contain useless knowledge, but them reading the Qur'an.."nah..they suddenly are too busy =_=!".

Or they LOVE to ponder about the future of the story of a serie they are following (for example Game of Thrones), but pondering about what comes after death is a very scary thought. There is even the catch of you are more happy if you know less.

However always know the people you come in contact with will testify against you if you never spoken about the message of Islam OR showed them about the message of Islam with your character. As their argument on the Day of Judgement will be, that you came in to contact with them, yet you never spoke of Islam or showed anything that Islam represents. Words sometimes are just words. Character makes people already wonder what is going on. That this individual(you) is showing very strange behavior. He(you) is very honest, doesn't gossip, is reliable, is trustworthy. When somebody sees that in you, they suddenly want to hang out more often with you and want to know why you are how you are..despite the world being filled with thieves and liars.

So to be honest, for us Muslims it is SUPER easy to spread the message of Islam in these times. If we follow Islam, our character shines like a flashlight in the darkness.:D
 
The person who honestly is searching for the truth based on objectivity and would have investigated Islam based on objectivity and honesty, would already have known that. Every person who has honestly searched about the whole story of Banu Qurayza would not bring this even up as they have heard the whole story and seen that nothing is left but to indeed agree on it.
I am not sure what your point is, but I think you are taking this out of context. I am not arguing about whether or not killing the Banu Qurayza was justified. I am just pointing out the similarities between the early Israelites and the early Muslims, saying that both killed in self-defense. The killing of the Banu Qurayza was basically in self-defense which supports my point.
 
I am not sure what your point is, but I think you are taking this out of context. I am not arguing about whether or not killing the Banu Qurayza was justified. I am just pointing out the similarities between the early Israelites and the early Muslims, saying that both killed in self-defense. The killing of the Banu Qurayza was basically in self-defense which supports my point.

They were trialed by their OWN law. Which also i believe is the same as Islamic Law, but they choose to be trialed by their own law in the case of treason. Which is the death penalty. So no you are not right. If their law would have been different then Islamic Law and not have been killed, then they would not have died so to say. So logically speaking you are absolutely NOT right.
 
:salam:

Quran and the Sunnah is all you need. When we do stuff we have to Trust Allah :swt: BUT also TIE our camel (I.e. do it, not just be like "At home, doing nothing, Qadr of Allah. " )

One has to be ACTIVE and not PASSIVE. Yes. I don't really see your objection to following only the Quraan??

Allah said that This Book (The Quraan) is from Allah, and that He made NO deviance there in. (So it is free from any kind of deviance) So why the objection, I don't understand.

Allah :swt: knows best.
 
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Alhamdulillah.Allah swt knows everything.Qur'an is made guidance to Muslims. Muslim ummah are made to follow complete guidance from Qur'an in correct ways.

Allah said that This Book (The Quraan) is from Allah, and that He made NO deviance there in. (So it is free from any kind of deviance)

For your knowledge.Let us look into Old testament.why cannot we follow old testament.Old testament is not SUITABLE. because it got SIDE EFFECTS.



to be continued...
 
I am not sure what your point is, but I think you are taking this out of context. I am not arguing about whether or not killing the Banu Qurayza was justified. I am just pointing out the similarities between the early Israelites and the early Muslims, saying that both killed in self-defense. The killing of the Banu Qurayza was basically in self-defense which supports my point.
He said, "I have been very zealous for the LORD, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away." (1 Kings 19:10)
 
@fschimdt : Israelites were killers even of prophets. Do you still think they killed prophets in self defence..?
 
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The HE we use is a royal masculine and not a gender masculine bro.

SO again, you are wrong.

Scimi

I dont say that anyway. Allah doesnt have a gender ofcourse but HE has a personality according to Quran. But, as you say it is beyond our capability to understand the essence of HIS personality
 

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