Can life be created in a lab?

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I wouldn't and don't really need to do so. That you don't know the technical details of the assembly of Adam from dust doesn't present a barrier to your acceptance of it as a possibility.


Sure you do.. or quit crying about the alleged 'God of the Gaps' No one has to explain how God did it, that is why they call it a belief system.. you allege science now has the answers in very technical details, I'd like to see that, if you are unable to do better then shut your yap.. Why should anyone subscribe to your brand of beliefs? They are actually absurd!


It's not a matter of backing up my points but showing the flaw in your argument. To infer the truth of the universal from the truth of the particular is a logical fallacy.
I have no idea what these compound words mean.. like you searched your head to put something intelligent together and in the end confabulated.
1- You haven't in fact demonstrated a flaw, in order for you to do so, you'd have to prove with science not belief why and how evolution from unicellular organisms occurred, you have failed to do so.
2- I see no logical fallacies, in fact I think the word is newly ingrained in your head after I exposed you time and again on the 'flute thread' doing exactly just that argumentum ad populum and ad homs.

One cannot say "Some mechanisms for abiogenesis are not valid, therefore all mechanisms for abiogenesis are not valid".
I haven't seen any mechanisms of abiogenesis thus far save for what Dr. Mullan went over in quite the mathematical detail.. Everything else holds the belief that it happened.. There have been no technical details demonstrable or indemonstrable.. It doesn't matter how you slice it, you'll have to account for every structure in the cell, its function and its drive forward to a complex organism.

I hope you read and discern these words before your next reply if you desired a sliver of credibility!

all the best
 
you allege science now has the answers in very technical details
Mmm, no I didn't, I think you might be imagining things.
I have no idea what these compound words mean..
It doesn't surprise me that you're not familiar with logic or it's lexicon.
1- You haven't in fact demonstrated a flaw
2- I see no logical fallacies

Big hint, it's here
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I haven't seen any mechanisms of abiogenesis thus far save for what Dr. Mullan went over in quite the mathematical detail..
One mechanism has been disproved, therefore abiogenesis could not happen. It's a flaw in your argument, a logical fallacy. (There's the Oparin/Haldane hypothesis by the way)

I'm saying that it could happen, given that it appears there was no life on Earth before 3.8 billion years ago it must have come from somewhere. There's no evidence for a creator and you readily admit it is simply belief, so scientifically speaking that leaves us with the 'something else', not random assembly of cells, not a creator, not anything specific, just something else.

Until you can a) find evidence for a creator or b) prove that abiogenesis could not happen at all by any natural means, we're stuck with 'something else'.
 
Mmm, no I didn't, I think you might be imagining things.

Really, it wasn't you who had written this earlier?
I cannot imagine that a molecular biologist doesn't actually know how speciation works or even that you believe mutations cannot possibly under any circumstances confer any benefit.
Just how does the happy muslim explain away the gradual change in life represented in the fossil record?

I believe such a strong statement deserves some technical backup!

It doesn't surprise me that you're not familiar with logic or it's lexicon.
One mechanism has been disproved, therefore abiogenesis could not happen. It's a flaw in your argument, a logical fallacy. (There's the Oparin/Haldane hypothesis by the way)

I keep telling you, that there is more to 'disproving' then simply alleging it.. there is backing it up.. do you enjoy going in circles in every thread?
That is what Dr. Mullan in fact has done, take known science, and utilize it and leave it open to interpretation!

as for your Oparin/Haldane, well again, they seem to be missing alot of variables.. You can't say, organic compounds have undergone a series of of reactions leading to more complex molecules, without going over a mechanical or chemical reaction, or the sea is a soup powered by solar energy eventually leading to first cells .. I can't begin to tell you what a hypocrite you are, for rebuffing aside someone who took all those proposed mechanisms down to every last finite detail, every variable and say it is unscientific, but by the same token expect us to subscribe that the sea powered by the sun gave us life..

Do you understand how biochemistry works? do you understand how cell machinery works? do you understand that you need to account for each structure and function in a progressive pattern to give us complex life?

here is a brief video, perhaps before your next reply you can do a quick recap on DNA transcription and translation.
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41_Ne5mS2ls&feature=related[/MEDIA]



I'm saying that it could happen, given that it appears there was no life on Earth before 3.8 billion years ago it must have come from somewhere. There's no evidence for a creator and you readily admit it is simply belief, so scientifically speaking that leaves us with the 'something else', not random assembly of cells, not a creator, not anything specific, just something else.
There is nothing scientific about what you propose.. you are simply substituting one belief for a lesser belief.. at least with creation you start with complex organisms.. what you want to start with is a single cell and carry it to a complex organism, then have it differentiate into species, plants, animals, noble elements as well account for its directionality and sentience etc .. simply because you don't like what others have to say not because what you propose is logical!.. you have not done yourself a favor in either direction.
you have neither proven what you propose with that scientific rigor and integrity you love to propose only in words of course, as you've exempt yourself from common sense with each post, and yet expect folks to believe it as face value while pounding on your chest like a monkey!
nor have you taken a moment to ponder how insignificant you're for all we unlock in the universe, we know absolutely nothing but the superficial of the very deep!

Until you can a) find evidence for a creator or b) prove that abiogenesis could not happen at all by any natural means, we're stuck with 'something else'.
Evidence of the creator is in the creation.. until you come up with something completely logical, or the something else, I suggest you take a hike, as I seem to be this close to invalidating my fast every day just contemplating how under-educated you are!

all the best
 
Greetings,
Evidence of the creator is in the creation.. until you come up with something completely logical, or the something else, I suggest you take a hike, as I seem to be this close to invalidating my fast every day just contemplating how under-educated you are!

all the best

It's been clear for a long time in this thread that you don't understand what Azy is saying.

You write in your third language, English, quite well, but your reading skills probably need work.

Instead of trying to understand, you hand out insults:

Gossamer Skye said:
I have no idea what these compound words mean.. like you searched your head to put something intelligent together and in the end confabulated.

Don't forget Sûrah an-Nahl:
16:125 (Asad) CALL THOU (all mankind] unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly manner for, behold, thy Sustainer knows best as to who strays from His path, and best knows He as to who are the right-guided.

If you try first to understand your opponent's position, then you'll stand a much better chance of being able to analyse it critically.

Peace
 
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Greetings,
Hi,

It's been clear for a long time in this thread that you don't understand what Azy is saying. You write in your third language, English, quite well, but your reading skills probably need work.
How about you clarify his work for him ESL style? valiance is nice and all as I have told you before and I am sure deeply appreciated by fellow atheists, it isn't enough to merely show up deus ex machina to save him from further folly and part with your wisdom as to how I am misunderstanding his points!
Is there in fact a point that would save you from resorting to the same rhetoric on every thread where an atheist seems to be on his last gasps?

Instead of trying to understand, you hand out insults:
another last ditch effort, for some reason always neglecting to read the sequence of the dialogue.. I'll ask you kindly for the last time if you have something of relevance to impart as relates to the debate then share it.. if not, then kindly part with your well rehearsed 'whatever you say' and leave us in peace!


Don't forget Sûrah an-Nahl:


If you try first to understand your opponent's position, then you'll stand a much better chance of being able to analyse it critically.

Peace
It is strange to me, that someone who has lost interest in reading the Quran on his own admission would quote me a verse from the book he finds so confusing.. what is the purpose of this, I ask you? an act of obsequiousness, if you can't dazzle me with science, find some other route to get me to stop exposing this folly?

all the best
 

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