Can Muslims be united ?

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Simple_Person said:
Huh? Very confusing to me. Your story is as if i am reading a science fiction story. Are there really such people? Isn't this all culture and nothing to do with Islam anymore? Also as long as the prayer as according to the Sunnah, based on what do these guys refuse to pray behind the other imaam?
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When I first witnessed this, I was an apostate and this drove me further away from islam - that's what is really sad about this dumbness,

Simple_Person said:
Again do forgive me as this all is looking very confusing to me as if i have been living under a rock which may even be true to this. If you have more stories like this, do please share.
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Subhan Allah bro, I only posted to demonstrate the sectarian strife - I really don't want to remember the other times.

Scimi
 
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Again do forgive me as this all is looking very confusing to me as if i have been living under a rock which may even be true to this. If you have more stories like this, do please share.
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Happened to me on Plashet Road E13, most intriguing part about it was that the brother was an English revert and was aghast at the fact that I'd prayed at the Brelwi / or Deobandi (or whatever it was) run mosque, I just told him that I went to pray with good intention and I didn't have a clue as to what they'd done wrong.
Anyways, let's try and focus on getting it all together and what works since these vibes about disunity amongst the people closest in way of life to each other with usually insignificant differences are harmful and drain morale.
 
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I think unity is possible on a micro level, because I have found that people in smaller groups tend to get along fine. It's when the group grows to become too large that opinions from stronger characters cause conflict, and sides get chosen. Group gets broken. Sectarian divide happens. Political, always.

On a larger macro level, leaders have to be chosen and this is where we are having problems. This is what the imperial west has understood with the Sunni Shia divide and it is thus no surprise how the Middle East was carved into nation states which pride themselves on nationalist ideals. Today, it's Kings and Statesmen who covet positions of power, when in the times of the Sahabi RA, they feared such such positions yet were under duress to accept them.

Small wonder then, in ahadeeth about Mahdi, they mention how Bayyah is given to him forcefully even though he doesn't want to accept - I believe it is only when men like this start to appear within the Muslim world that we can start to expect some unity again. And that man, from what we know will be Mahdi, according to ahadeeth. He will be on the same path as the rightly guided khaliph. Not like those who rule us today.

But hey, is anyone tired of waiting to exhale?

We don't even know what we are gonna eat tomorrow for certain. SoI believe it is wise to just carry on with life, while trying to keep our focus on akhirah.

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
hehe don't worry... in sha Allah, if it is in my destiny bro, I'll get married. Until then, Allahu Alam, right? :)

Scimi
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It appears that God keeps saving you from traps by pulling you out of non-working relationships, I sometimes envy you ...... until I look at the children playing and learning, being humble when i discipline them and trying to stop me smoking and realise that I probably wouldn't go back if given the option, but yeah, the difference in way of thinking in grown ups can be seriously depressing and make you want out, but then, how'd you divide the kids? Just cruising and stumbling along. God knows, maybe it'll all be ok some day.


 
Regarding unity in the Muslims world, it's as simple as this:

Define the borders of Muslim nations, and you've identified the core problem.

Scimi
 
azc said:
Ummah is divided in different dimensions. Differences in opinion and sectarian ideology is too much. Can we be united..?
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Its the only one dua not accepted by Allah even from his beloved Nabi :saws:

If they (muslims)are not ENEMIES to each other that will a great blessing & acheivement for the Muslim Ummah and Inshaallah we can atleast dream of this .
 
talibilm said:
:sl:Its the only one dua not accepted by Allah even from his beloved Nabi :saws:If they (muslims)are not ENEMIES to each other that will a great blessing & acheivement for the Muslim Ummah and Inshaallah we can atleast dream of this .
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:wa:At least we should respect each other
 
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We are supposed to have a one single Islamic state all over the world but that is not neccesary to have a unity within Muslims. There are muslims living in non-Muslim nations as well. The unity within Muslims comes with only when we put Islam above every value we have. So a muslim from Tanzania and a Muslim from Germany can feel same and united.
 
azc said:
:wa:At least we should respect each other
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Bro, can you please substantiate on this VIVIDLY since Unity among Muslims is such an important matter that Prophet :saws: even risked his fard salah once, engaged in creating unity among two Quarrelling groups of muslims.
 
Can muslims be united? I think we can... the question 'will' the muslims be united? I believe No!

Why would I believe so? Because life is a test and we 'have' to make choices and those choices are laced with many factors and stuff like our real intentions, the temptations behind them etc.. but the most telling of all is that Syaitan has vowed to ...

He said: “Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way: Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies).” (God) said: “Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee – Hell will I fill with you all.” (7: 16–18)

(Iblis/Satan) said: “O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised.” (God) said: “Respite is granted thee till the Day of the Time appointed.” (Iblis) said: “O my Lord! Because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong, Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace).” (God) said: “This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed a way that leads straight to Me. For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong and follow thee.” (15: 36–42)

.. just a few verses from the Quran to say that Syaitan (Iblees) will never allow the umma to be united...


Just my 2 cents worth.



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Greetings and peace be with you all,

Marriage should be the loving unity of one man and one woman. I can tell you that after thirty two years of marriage, this can be a struggle staying together, it is incredibly hard work. The couple must keep working at their relationship, day after day and year after year.

Multiply the problems of marriage by a billion, and now you start to comprehend the problems of uniting all Muslims. Unity always starts with 'One person' - ME. How much effort am I prepared to make, and keep making day after day, and year after year, to be united to whoever I wish to call my brother and sister.

At the heart of unity, is our willingness to pray a blessing for all people, to show forgiveness, compassion, mercy and kindness.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric
 
We must long for and work towards acheiving unity based on the guidance of Allah which is the only source of complete justice and success in this world and in eternity, and we must hope to bring up our children in a state of being where they are heedful of Allah and don't become heedless as soon as they go out into society as many of us did. A bit like choosing one's friends wisely.

I remember the motorway signs on the way to Makkah from Yalamlam which read "Udhkur Allah" (Remember God), and I definitely didn't forget Allah even when my mind wandered off in the deserts. May Allah reward with good the groups who made the effort.
 
Abz2000 said:
We must long for and work towards acheiving unity based on the guidance of Allah which is the only source of complete justice and success in this world and in eternity, and we must hope to bring up our children in a state of being where they are heedful of Allah and don't become heedless as soon as they go out into society as many of us did. A bit like choosing one's friends wisely. . . . . . .
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Yes, we should. Further to my earlier post, even this 'motive' is foretold by prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in his hadeeth (was it?) about the times when parents (or was it mothers?) giving birth to their masters... so it all points towards a disunited ummah . . .:hmm:


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talibilm said:
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Bro, can you please substantiate on this VIVIDLY since Unity among Muslims is such an important matter that Prophet :saws: even risked his fard salah once, engaged in creating unity among two Quarrelling groups of muslims.
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That hadith that narrates the above incident are here

Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 22 :: Hadith 309

Narrated Sahl bin Sad:
The news about the differences amongst the people of Bani 'Amr bin 'Auf at Quba reached Allah's Apostle and so he went to them along with some of his companions to affect a reconciliation. Allah's Apostle was delayed there and the time for the prayer became due. Bilal came to Abu Bakr! and said, "O Abu Bakr! Allah's Apostle is detained (there) and the time for the prayer is due. Will you lead the people in prayer?" Abu Bakr replied, "Yes, if you wish." So Bilal pronounced the Iqama and Abu Bakr went forward and the people said Takbir. In the meantime, Allah's Apostle came piercing through thesrows till he stood in the (first) row and the people started clapping. Abu Bakr, would never look hither and thither during the prayer but when the people clapped much he looked back and saw Allah's Apostle. The Prophet beckoned him to carry on. Abu Bakr raised both his hands, praised Allah and retreated till he stood in the row and Allah's Apostle went forward and led the people in the prayer. When he had finished the prayer, he addressed the people and said, "O people! Why did you start clapping when something happened to you in the prayer? Clapping is for women. Whenever one is confronted with something unusual in the prayer one should say, 'Sub Han Allah'." Then the Prophet looked towards Abu Bakr and asked, "What prevented you from leading the prayer when I beckoned you to carry on?" Abu Bakr replied, "It does not befit the son of Al Quhafa to lead the prayer in the presence of Allah's Apostle



Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 300

Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd As-Saidi:
There was some quarrel (sighting) among Bani 'Amr, and when this news reached the Prophet, he offered the Zuhr prayer and went to establish peace among them. In the meantime the time of 'Asr prayer was due, Bilal pronounced the Adhan and then the Iqama for the prayer and requested Abu Bakr (to lead the prayer) and Abu Bakr went forward. The Prophet arrived while Abu Bakr was still praying. He entered the rows of praying people till he stood behind Abu Bakr in the (first) row. The people started clapping, and it was the habit of Abu Bakr that whenever he stood for prayer, he never glanced side-ways till he had finished it, but when Abu Bakr observed that the clapping was not coming to an end, he looked and saw the Prophet standing behind him.
The Prophet beckoned him to carry on by waving his hand. Abu Bakr stood there for a while, thanking Allah for the saying of the Prophet and then he retreated, taking his steps backwards. When the Prophet saw that, he went ahead and led the people in prayer. When he finished the prayer, he said, "O Abu Bakr! What prevented you from carrying on with the prayer after I beckoned you to do so?" Abu Bakr replied, "It does not befit the son of Abi Quhafa to lead the Prophet in prayer." Then the Prophet said to the people, "If some problem arises during prayers, then the men should say, Subhan Allah!; and the women should clap." (See Hadith No. 652, Vol. 1)
 
I remember this really catchy song in primary school assembly that went: "three great kings, I met at early morn', were on their way to meet the newly born".
well, I don't think most of the teachers knew that no such incident happened at the time of the birth in Jerusalem, or the fact that Frederick Barbarosa of Germany, Richard the Lionheart of England, and Philip II of France (the forerunners of the freemasons whose seat ended up in washington dc along with the official one eyed seal) assembled a huge army to sack and loot Jerusalem, dig for the satans' sorcery mantra inscriptions which solomon (pbuh) had buried, establish the corrupt foundations of current organized crime syndicate which includes NATO, the hellfire club, deMolay international, skull and bones, the east india company's financial backers, mark thatcher, bell pottinger, the international usurious banking cartels, fake freedom where the rich and powerful amongst people are worshipped and obeyed without a chance to question their actions, fake democracy where managers are changed by their financiers every 4-5 years regardless of expertise and ability - in case they get too attached to their jobs (an hour with the beast), and greedy bloodthirsty capitalist communism in the name of free trade.

So yes, it is useful to keep these little things in mind when considering which sheperds to entrust your children to.
 
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It is my experience that those who rant the hardest about Muslim disunity are the ones least willing to accept unity on any other basis than "everyone agree with me".
 
Futuwwa said:
It is my experience that those who rant the hardest about Muslim disunity are the ones least willing to accept unity on any other basis than "everyone agree with me".
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it may, be but I think that all scholars should come on a platform and appeal to all Muslims to be united
 

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