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Is it okay for Muslims to celebrate Christmas since they believe in Jesus?
Can Muslims celebrate Christmas?
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Re: Christmas
Hi SearchingSoul,
A lot of questions today?
No, it is not permissable for Muslims to celebrate Christmas. Religious acts in Islam are only those in conformity with the Sunnah of the Prophet pbuh, otherwise they are considered reprehensible innovations (bid'ah). Also, the celebration has its origins in shirk (associating partners with God), and lastly it involves assimilation with non-muslims in cultural celebrations.
Related article:
http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cfm?cat_id=29&sub_cat_id=806
Regards
Hi SearchingSoul,
A lot of questions today?
No, it is not permissable for Muslims to celebrate Christmas. Religious acts in Islam are only those in conformity with the Sunnah of the Prophet pbuh, otherwise they are considered reprehensible innovations (bid'ah). Also, the celebration has its origins in shirk (associating partners with God), and lastly it involves assimilation with non-muslims in cultural celebrations.
Related article:
http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cfm?cat_id=29&sub_cat_id=806
Regards
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Re: Christmas
Muslims dont observe Christmas. But in Malaysia, we just go to their homes greet them and eat something. In Eid, they come to our homes greet us and eat our food. We also greet the Hindus on Deepavali and the Chinese on Chinese New YEar. But all are done in a very secular way because we cant mix with their religious traditions.
Muslims dont observe Christmas. But in Malaysia, we just go to their homes greet them and eat something. In Eid, they come to our homes greet us and eat our food. We also greet the Hindus on Deepavali and the Chinese on Chinese New YEar. But all are done in a very secular way because we cant mix with their religious traditions.
Re: Christmas
Few Christains treat Christmas as a religious holiday.
Rather it is a time to get together with friends and family you have not seen for a year or so and share a meal and sometimes exchange gifts.
It is best type of gift is thoughtful and has a meaning. If you are good friends with somebody and you know them well then a small, thoughtfull gift will enhance your friendship.
Its such a great time of year I am always disappointed when non-christains refuse to join in.
It means you are separating yourself from the rest of the community for no logical reason.
Few Christains treat Christmas as a religious holiday.
Rather it is a time to get together with friends and family you have not seen for a year or so and share a meal and sometimes exchange gifts.
It is best type of gift is thoughtful and has a meaning. If you are good friends with somebody and you know them well then a small, thoughtfull gift will enhance your friendship.
Its such a great time of year I am always disappointed when non-christains refuse to join in.
It means you are separating yourself from the rest of the community for no logical reason.
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^We dont need a man-made holiday to celebrate- we have 2 of our own holidays in the year that achieve the same purpose and at the same time please God and are not based on what Muslims view as false beliefs (i.e. the basis in christianity)
^We dont need a man-made holiday to celebrate- we have 2 of our own holidays in the year that achieve the same purpose and at the same time please God and are not based on what Muslims view as false beliefs (i.e. the basis in christianity)
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A friend of mine who said Christimas and Easter were both pagan holidays originally and the first orthodox christians did not celebrate it until that guy, i forget his name brought pagan beliefs and mixed them up with christianity. I think this is when Roman Catholicism came into play, someone correct me if im wrong.
A friend of mine who said Christimas and Easter were both pagan holidays originally and the first orthodox christians did not celebrate it until that guy, i forget his name brought pagan beliefs and mixed them up with christianity. I think this is when Roman Catholicism came into play, someone correct me if im wrong.
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Muslims don't celebrate it because not only it snot legislated for Muslims.. but it represents everything that Islam is against! "god having a son", "jesus being a god" and a tonne of other stuff..
all that along with what ansar n cheese said
ps: intersting crystal never knew that.. i heard something about DOB of jesus never being actually confirmed but besides that dunno much.
Muslims don't celebrate it because not only it snot legislated for Muslims.. but it represents everything that Islam is against! "god having a son", "jesus being a god" and a tonne of other stuff..
all that along with what ansar n cheese said
ps: intersting crystal never knew that.. i heard something about DOB of jesus never being actually confirmed but besides that dunno much.
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He also said something about the christians in the mideast dont all celebrate it because they follow the old orthodox church and them themselves believe its roots (christimas and easter) are pagan, many scholars of all relgions have said this, i need to get some sources, coming soon!
He also said something about the christians in the mideast dont all celebrate it because they follow the old orthodox church and them themselves believe its roots (christimas and easter) are pagan, many scholars of all relgions have said this, i need to get some sources, coming soon!
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Not feeling very 'nice' today cheese? Your responses have a little added edge. (sorry, I am trying to say that normally you are nicer.
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ok.. ill put it in a preppy way...
say soemone swore at you and made an annual celebration to commemorate the day he swore at you.... would you rockup to his party?
same goes for christmas.. it's actually an insault to Muslims to claim that Jesus is god or son of god or divine or soemthing of that sort... read surat al-Kahf, Allah himself is telling us how angry he is at such claims, even teh skies and heavens would shake if they could. read the first few verses of surat al-Kahf and see for urself.
that doesnt mean we cant get along and have a convo about stuff... there's a difference between being friendly and compromising principles...
ok.. ill put it in a preppy way...
say soemone swore at you and made an annual celebration to commemorate the day he swore at you.... would you rockup to his party?
same goes for christmas.. it's actually an insault to Muslims to claim that Jesus is god or son of god or divine or soemthing of that sort... read surat al-Kahf, Allah himself is telling us how angry he is at such claims, even teh skies and heavens would shake if they could. read the first few verses of surat al-Kahf and see for urself.
that doesnt mean we cant get along and have a convo about stuff... there's a difference between being friendly and compromising principles...
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Re: Christmas
When Christians talking about Christmas which Christmas do they refer the
25th December ones or the January ones?
When Christians talking about Christmas which Christmas do they refer the
25th December ones or the January ones?
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i think it depend on what type of christian they are? coz some celebrate it at different times... not sure tho.
i think it depend on what type of christian they are? coz some celebrate it at different times... not sure tho.
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Hi Cristal!
Christmas and Easter are both Christian holidays because of their meaning. Pogans rather didn't celebrate Jesus birth and resurrection
But!
It a fact that Christmas is celebrated at exact day some pogans clebrated their holiday. 22-25 XII are quite sybolic days - it's time when the night is the longest, but since then sun will be coming back. So it's something like that:
"in the middle of darkness, hope is coming back".
And we use this pogan date and symbolic for our purpose.
Date of Easter is moving every year (it's first sunday after first full moon in spring - but not sure). When we celebrate we aslo use some symboles taken from pogans (egg=life).
But we are really not thinking about pogans gods on Christmas and Easter!!
to compare: wasn't Mecca pogan shrine befor Muhammed? didn't pogans make pilgrimage to it?
(i know that you believe that befor pogans there was Ibrahim and Ishmael there, but i'm not Muslim....)
should i then speak of of your pilgrimage as "pagan custom originally"?
I'm really sorry that Muslims can't join us.
In Poland it's custom on Christmas eve to have one more chair by the table, one more plate, one more knife and fork on the table.
It has two meanings:
- it reminds us about those who can't be with us on that day (passed away or are far)
- it's a place for "wanderer" - someone who may come to us unexpectedly.
so if you change your mind about whether you can or can't take part in Christmas, and you happen to be in Poland - free place is waiting :happy:
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Hi Cristal!
Christmas and Easter are both Christian holidays because of their meaning. Pogans rather didn't celebrate Jesus birth and resurrection
But!
It a fact that Christmas is celebrated at exact day some pogans clebrated their holiday. 22-25 XII are quite sybolic days - it's time when the night is the longest, but since then sun will be coming back. So it's something like that:
"in the middle of darkness, hope is coming back".
And we use this pogan date and symbolic for our purpose.
Date of Easter is moving every year (it's first sunday after first full moon in spring - but not sure). When we celebrate we aslo use some symboles taken from pogans (egg=life).
But we are really not thinking about pogans gods on Christmas and Easter!!
to compare: wasn't Mecca pogan shrine befor Muhammed? didn't pogans make pilgrimage to it?
(i know that you believe that befor pogans there was Ibrahim and Ishmael there, but i'm not Muslim....)
should i then speak of of your pilgrimage as "pagan custom originally"?
i fact date is the same :giggling: Orthodox Church uses diffrent calender (Julian) than we. So they celebrate also at 25 XII...but for us it's 6 I
I'm really sorry that Muslims can't join us.
In Poland it's custom on Christmas eve to have one more chair by the table, one more plate, one more knife and fork on the table.
It has two meanings:
- it reminds us about those who can't be with us on that day (passed away or are far)
- it's a place for "wanderer" - someone who may come to us unexpectedly.
so if you change your mind about whether you can or can't take part in Christmas, and you happen to be in Poland - free place is waiting :happy:
n.
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Watching the news does that to me... sorry if it seemed harsh, it certainly wasnt intentional :rollseyes
What a twisted, taunting hand it is. "Hi, i want to be your friend by offering that you celebrate with me something that i know you consider to be a huge sin and offense, i.e. the association of Jesus with God"
No thanks.
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Not feeling very 'nice' today cheese? Your responses have a little added edge. (sorry, I am trying to say that normally you are nicer.
Watching the news does that to me... sorry if it seemed harsh, it certainly wasnt intentional :rollseyes
What a twisted, taunting hand it is. "Hi, i want to be your friend by offering that you celebrate with me something that i know you consider to be a huge sin and offense, i.e. the association of Jesus with God"
No thanks.
ffended:
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heya duskiness... thanks for the invite but i think the reasons stated above explainwhy we can't join in. Put simply, christmas is a credo.
Not at all, it was a command of Allah to Ibrahim and Ismael, and then when the message was corrupted people emssed it up, and when Muhammad PBUH came back to makkah he made sure that paganism wasn't going to mess up hajj in any way so he converted the idols that filled the ka'bah into dust.
so its nothing at all to do with paganism, Ibrahim and Ismael where monotheists and the effort they put into building the ka'3bah and doing pilgramage was because it was an order from Allah SWT.
take care all the best
ps: Panatella, lol i think cheese is just being normal.. i mean that's a stock response you expect from a Muslim.. Allah has something even stronger to say to people like that in the Quran, read for urself
heya duskiness... thanks for the invite but i think the reasons stated above explainwhy we can't join in. Put simply, christmas is a credo.
Not at all, it was a command of Allah to Ibrahim and Ismael, and then when the message was corrupted people emssed it up, and when Muhammad PBUH came back to makkah he made sure that paganism wasn't going to mess up hajj in any way so he converted the idols that filled the ka'bah into dust.
so its nothing at all to do with paganism, Ibrahim and Ismael where monotheists and the effort they put into building the ka'3bah and doing pilgramage was because it was an order from Allah SWT.
take care all the best
ps: Panatella, lol i think cheese is just being normal.. i mean that's a stock response you expect from a Muslim.. Allah has something even stronger to say to people like that in the Quran, read for urself
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I've been to Christmas, Deepavali, Chinese New Year feasts every year...just to eat and greet them.
I've been to Christmas, Deepavali, Chinese New Year feasts every year...just to eat and greet them.
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last Chinese New Year my boss gave me RM300 ang pow!!! During Hari Raya he gave me RM200 duit raya!!!:happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy:
last Chinese New Year my boss gave me RM300 ang pow!!! During Hari Raya he gave me RM200 duit raya!!!:happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: