Can you marry without parents consent

[i_m_tipu]

i heard from a knwledge(so far i see him) man in a islamic TV programme

where he says:

man and woman both can marry accroding to their choice

but thoug it is discourage by the scholar especially woman


bcoz

* it can harm the disciplinary of the society
* they have a fear woman may not take correct decision all time (very emotional)
* in young age people are full of emotion which prevent youth to take correct decision.

thats why it is discourage for both man and especially woman
marry accroding to their choice without the permission of their walli.

 

[muslim@]

it depends on which madhab you follow,you know,the four schools of thought.according to imam hanifa a nikah is valid without the guardians consent,but according to imam shafi'i a nikah is not valid without a guardians consent.both cases apply to both men and women.im not sure about the hambali or maliki ruling since we didnt study it in2great detail.but it is better to have ur parents approval coz parents hold a very high status in islam,plus,less problems.

 

[i_m_tipu]

:salamext: sis

it depends on which madhab you follow.

This is totally unacceptable

madhab is not the founder of Islam

they are coming from the Islam.

Ordinary People on the honorable madhab period cannot research and analyze like the current world can
That why madhab is needed badly on that time

Is not those honorable madhab said “whenever u find better proof (Dalil) that we provided u on any matter than throw out our dalil

People of current world expanding their knowledge and technology lot than the period of madhab.

Now people can search anything on any matter within a minute. Ordinary people can get or do researches also translate the Arabic very easily.

So it is totally unacceptable by giving the excuses of madhab.

We should accept the best and there must not be any excuses.
Even though lot of knowledgeable people gives the excuses of madhad and which create divination on the Islam.​

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we must not devide

and this subject should have the top pioroty in the case of debate​

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[syilla]

then how come a few friends of mine married without their parents knowing...

how the 'kadi' do it...

but i know some have permission from their parents... and they just have to show the letter from their parents...they using wali hakim(i'm not sure in arabic what u call it...wali other than your parents) - this happen becoz they studied in overseas... and they couldn't go back to their home town to get married... so they got married there...

 

[Daffodil]

so ur gonna follow a madhab rather then the prophet saw. how does that work? this hadith is very clear. when the prophet saw sed things three times it was a way of him expressing the seriousness of it.

It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to get married without the permission of her wali (guardian), rather it is essential for her to have a wali who will get her married, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no marriage without a wali.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2085; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani. And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Any woman who gets married without the permission of her wali, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid.” Narrated and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi, 1102; Abu Dawood, 2083; Ibn Maajah, 1879 – from the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 1840.

 

[Daffodil]

then how come a few friends of mine married without their parents knowing...

how the 'kadi' do it...

but i know some have permission from their parents... and they just have to show the letter from their parents...they using wali hakim(i'm not sure in arabic what u call it...wali other than your parents) - this happen becoz they studied in overseas... and they couldn't go back to their home town to get married... so they got married there...

then their marriage is invalid according to the hadith of the prophet saw i just posted above. the wali has to have a gud reason not to want his daughter to marry the guy, if his reason is baseless, ie he doesnt want them to marry due to him being from outside their caste etc then in that case the brother can act as wali, if not then an uncle, etc if her mehram dnt act as wali she HAS TO HAVE A WALI ASSIGNED TO HER. this issue shudnt be taken lightly as the prophet saw expressed. so u wud need to look into more detail about it.

 

[i_m_tipu]

so ur gonna follow a madhab rather then the prophet saw. how does that work? this hadith is very clear. when the prophet saw sed things three times it was a way of him expressing the seriousness of it.

It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to get married without the permission of her wali (guardian), rather it is essential for her to have a wali who will get her married, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no marriage without a wali.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2085; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani. And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Any woman who gets married without the permission of her wali, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid.” Narrated and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi, 1102; Abu Dawood, 2083; Ibn Maajah, 1879 – from the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 1840.

lol.......
i will take any clear proof

 

[Inshallah]

Can you marry without your parents consent of course you can.
The question is would you want to, the answer is simple "NO"

 

[syilla]

that's what i thought at first... u can marry without your family consent...

but i guess... it has to be discuss in detail...

 

[i_m_tipu]

Can you marry without your parents consent of course you can.

It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to get married without the permission of her wali (guardian), rather it is essential for her to have a wali who will get her married, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no marriage without a wali.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2085; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani. And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Any woman who gets married without the permission of her wali, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid.” Narrated and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi, 1102; Abu Dawood, 2083; Ibn Maajah, 1879 – from the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 1840.

interesting.....r u reject the above hadis

Narrated and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi, 1102; Abu Dawood, 2083; Ibn Maajah, 1879 – from the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 1840.

 

[Daffodil]

Can you marry without your parents consent of course you can.
The question is would you want to, the answer is simple "NO"

did u not bother to read the hadith i posted.

 

[HeiGou]

then their marriage is invalid according to the hadith of the prophet saw i just posted above. the wali has to have a gud reason not to want his daughter to marry the guy, if his reason is baseless, ie he doesnt want them to marry due to him being from outside their caste etc then in that case the brother can act as wali, if not then an uncle, etc if her mehram dnt act as wali she HAS TO HAVE A WALI ASSIGNED TO HER. this issue shudnt be taken lightly as the prophet saw expressed. so u wud need to look into more detail about it.

Sorry? You have a Wali assigned? How does that work? And doesn't that just negate the whole issue of marrying with parents' permission anyway? I mean, if there is a good Islamic reason for them not to marry then surely they cannot marry even if their parents' agree. If there isn't, and they want to, and their parents do not agree, are you saying they can just go to an agreeable Qadi who will assign someone to be the girl's wali who will then give permission, and they will marry? Why bother with assigning a wali as it looks like a way to step around the law - why noit just let them marry?

 

[i_m_tipu]

parents is a wali

if not than

brother can be wali

if not than

uncle can be wali

if not than

local imam can be wali

i hope i do not miss any thing..

 

[HeiGou]

parents is a wali

if not than

brother can be wali

if not than

uncle can be wali

if not than

local imam can be wali

i hope i do not miss any thing..

So if your entire family does not agree, you can find a local imam to act as wali instead? How is this different from marrying without your parents' permission except in so far as the external forms of the Law are obeyed?

 

[IceQueen~]

So if your entire family does not agree, you can find a local imam to act as wali instead? How is this different from marrying without your parents' permission except in so far as the external forms of the Law are obeyed?

it's not about ur entire family disagreeing-it's if they are nto there for some reason -dead..or something..

 

[Daffodil]

because a knowledgeable person, such as an imam or scholar or mufti etc would be able to speak with the girl n ask her if she agrees, if shes ok with everything, does she understand the basics of marriage, check if shes not just doing this on a whim etc, basically the girl needs some protection and the wali is there to giv the consent that that girl is ok with it all. etc there are also loads of other reasons and im sure many wisdoms as regards to this from the prophet saw and Allah swt.

 

[Muhammad Waqqas]

Sis this from a Mans point. A man wants to marry without his parents consent would this quote still be valid

Refer to Ibn. Maja: Hadith # 1873. I don't exactly remember the text but it was some what like this:

A girl's parents wanted to enforce a marrage on her, and she did not agree and went to the Prophet and told him everything. He asked her that where did she wanted to marry and told her parents that they cannot force her. She said that she was happy where ever her parents wanted to marry her but just wanted to ask the Prophet if she has the right to reject it or not.

I hope you've got your solution.

 

[Sis786]

Ok thank you for all posting but the issue here is that if a man wants to marry a women and his parents are agaisnt the marriage for other issues and not religious can that MAN MARRY?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Ok thank you for all posting but the issue here is that if a man wants to marry a women and his parents are agaisnt the marriage for other issues and not religious can that MAN MARRY?

Yes as long as the ladies side agrees but he wont have his mothers blessing...

 

[Sis786]

Yes as long as the ladies side agrees but he wont have his mothers blessing...

Jazakallah Bro