Can you repeat, repeat yourself?

[syed_z]

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Islam does endorse hatred of all non-Muslims. I sure don't see many Muslims flocking to disagree.

yes your wrong because your blaming me ! If you say Islam does endorse hatred then what made you believe before that Islam teaches tolerance ? Was it the Muslim Attitude... and if yes then you are very ignorant person.... as you judge Islam by the behavior of just any abc Muslim and not from the Holy Book and Teachings of the prophet

 

[titus]

On other threads I have posted what the Quran says about Muslims and non-Muslims. I shall repeat it:

[60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

[60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

I do not see the teaching of hatred of non-Muslims here. I see the opposite.

I used the word ...IF .... 'IF' i said... don't put words in my mouth

I simply said nobody is disagreeing with her about how Islam says Muslims and non-Muslims cannot be friends. You included.

 

[cat eyes]

titus did you just join this forum to learn about islam or just to argue and waste everybodies precious time ?

 

[syed_z]

Don't change your words... don't try to confuse! you said clearly...

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Islam does endorse hatred of all non-Muslims. I sure don't see many Muslims flocking to disagree.

... should i type it ? 'May be Islam does Endorse hatred of all non- Muslims'.... should i repeat it ?

Whats the point of showing me the Ayat when you have already expressed what you thought Of Islam... ?

Brother respect Muslims in Islamic Board... you won't get any respect if you don't respect... and don't try to twist words OR Put Words in to any ones mouth...

Well Islam tells us to teach Mankind the right way and so im teaching you ... Learn!

 

[titus]

So let me get this straight. I am arguing that Muslims and non-Muslims should be friendly towards each other. H-n is arguing that Muslims should hate non-muslims, and I am the bad guy?

 

[syed_z]

No you were suspecting Islam for endorsing hate... and she said about Lewd acts being made legal by Leaders of the West, which are against all kinds of Morality, to which you argued and thats your choice if you think is right.... but it is against All kinds of Morality and the leaders who call it "freedom" are NOT fit to be leaders, rather they are corrupting their societies...

and by you suspecting Islam and then trying twist words... was not right... for which you should apologize

and you also suspected that all Muslims are jumping to turn against you... for which i told you to respect Islam in Islamic Board...

 

[titus]

No you were suspecting Islam for endorsing hate.

That was not my intent. I have been the one arguing the opposite. If you read the entire phrase you will see I was making the point that no Muslims were backing me up on that point and that h-n was getting a free pass on saying that Muslims should hate non-Muslims.

but it is against All kinds of Morality and the leaders who call it "freedom" are NOT fit to be leaders, rather they are corrupting their societies...

She said that anyone that wants to be a leader of non-Muslims is evil. She did not clarify if the leaders want to change the laws or not. That is why I brought up the examples of early Muslim leaders that chose to rule over non-Muslims.

Well Islam tells us to teach Mankind the right way and so im teaching you ... Learn!

If you believe that Muslims and non-Muslims can be friends then we are on the same side. It is h-n that you need to be teaching.

 

[h-n]

Just for the record titus is a troll.

In the Non-Muslims and Islam thread I have posted back to him on post 108, 76, and post 72 were he was using the following Quran verses;-

[60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

[60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

[16:125} You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."

[29:47] We have revealed to you this scripture, and those whom we blessed with the previous scripture will believe in it. Also, some of your people will believe in it. Indeed, those who disregard our revelations are the real disbelievers.

Were I have already explained on that post. That Allah of course has never told us to be friends with idol worshippers, rejectors of the truth. Why even the angels don't care about non-Muslims. The above are referring to people who accept that there is one God and the Day of Judgement. Why also do they think that one of the verses from the Quran states you go your way and we go our way with our religion. Absolutely not do we be friendly to lewd people either, we tolerate people.

He keep on using the past, when already explained that people obviously repented in the Muslims countries, these people in the US have already rejected Islam. It is not a Muslims job to serve and protect sinners when they reject what Allah has taught them. No Muslim would ever go for the job of President. Obama already knew that they rejected Islam and unlikely to become a Muslim state in future, but the Muslims in the past did succeed in spreading Islam. So Obama is taking over a country knowing that people want to continue in their sinful ways.

In his post 75 in Non-Muslims and Islam he proved that he did not read post 1 of the thread, just the title.

What did titus think that we use the word tolerate for? Why would we need to tolerate something that we like?? So obviously we tolerate something that we do NOT like ie people who reject the truth.

No were did I ever say not to carry on helping the non-Muslims in our daily life in this world etc as per post 11 of this thread.

He is being ridiculous by bringing the same arguments and not reading, if he had a genuine problem with the replies he would have questioned them ie references to the Prophets etc. He ignored it and carried on with his stupidity. Why does he not have a problem with my "Murder", "Not my Job" thread etc? Obviously busy wanting to portray something it is not. The proof is there, his replies are there, and anyone can see the masses of points he chose to ignore, again if he has a problem with them, he would have questioned them then. Typical evil trying to make soemthing look bad when it is not.

 

[syed_z]

Were I have already explained on that post. That Allah of course has never told us to be friends with idol worshippers, rejectors of the truth. Why even the angels don't care about non-Muslims. The above are referring to people who accept that there is one God and the Day of Judgement.

NO sister the above Verses include all , whether Idol Worshipers or not, as long as they DONT fight, us we CAN be friendly with them and any Hostility against them.... is not right!

If we don't share views does not mean that we befriend them ... lewd activities of Lewd people, such people i understand that Muslims are not supposed to indulge with.... however a Muslim's character should be good with all people, regardless of whatever their Faith is... UNLESS they fight you...

So hindus are idol worshipers, but we can be friendly with them as long as they are friendly with us...

 

[titus]

Thank you Syed, that was all I have been looking for.

 

[h-n]

NO sister the above Verses include all , whether Idol Worshipers or not, as long as they DONT fight, us we CAN be friendly with them and any Hostility against them.... is not right!

If we don't share views does not mean that we befriend them ... lewd activities of Lewd people, such people i understand that Muslims are not supposed to indulge with.... however a Muslim's character should be good with all people, regardless of whatever their Faith is... UNLESS they fight you...

So hindus are idol worshipers, but we can be friendly with them as long as they are friendly with us...

We are NOT FRIENDS WITH NON-MUSLIMS.

What the Quran is saying being treating people OK-which I have NOT disputed, but that does not mean that we are friends with non-Muslims just because we are treating them OK. I have NEVER said anywhere that we treat non-Muslims in an ill manner!!!


Of course we never are friends with lewd and homosexuals etc. Do you really think that Allah would tell us to be friends with homosexuals? No!


Don't get confused with the word "Friendly" that is an act, a behaviour on how to be, friendly and friends are two different meanings.

 

[h-n]

Thank you Syed, that was all I have been looking for.

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You been eating pork? That would explain why you can't think straight. As mentioned so many times;-

1. I am NOT talking about ill treating non-Muslims in this world. Just because we treat them fine, that does not mean we accept you the way you are and like you or that we are your friend.

2. I am talking about the fact that non-Muslims are not the same as Muslims, which is what is accepted by ALL the Prophets. Prophet Lut peace be upon him did not come and tell people to be friends with the homosexuals. Neither did Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him accept homosexuals.

3. As stated you only care about what you get and live in this world, that is why you are doing the same as the Christians and the Jews getting others to be nice to them, rather then being concerned about accepting the message that Allah has provided. We Muslims don't sit there asking people to accept us, but to repent to Allah. We don't use non-Muslims.

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So that is what I have already said so many times a few noted below;-

"My intentions" thread

Your post 11

states;-

"It says you can be friends with those that don't fight you or kick you out of your homes."

We are not friends we treat others fine, but we are never friends.


Then I answered on My intentions thread post 103

Also THIS THREAD;-

My post 11 contains;-

So as above in Islam we are absolutely right, I am not talking about helping non-Muslims when we live in this world, ie provide water, assistance etc, that's basic, I expect everyone to know that. I am talking about what Islam says about Muslims and non-Muslims, where you are ignoring the fact that non-Muslims are not the same as Muslims and NEVER will be, even this is agreed by Allah, the angels the Prophets etc.

My post 9

TYPICAL EVIL THEY ASK PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THEM, THEY ACTUALLY JUDGING HOW "NICE" A PERSON IS IN ACCORDANCE TO HOW PEOPLE ARE NICE TO THEM! WELL WHY DON'T THEY PROVE HOW RESPECTING AND KIND THEY ARE BY ACCEPTING THE PROPHETS AND WHAT THEY HAVE TAUGHT???

You keep on bringing up that I personally don't like non-Muslims, when neither do the angels etc. So I'm certainly not sorry to burst your idea that Muslim women are happy with non-Muslims. Probably listening to too much media hype. I would never choose to marry a non-Muslim, this is how personal Islam is for us, not just a way of life but how we are. I am so happy that we only marry Muslim Men who are steadfast and strong and willing to oppose lewd, homosexuality etc, frankly to BE MEN, to worship the one God, and remember the Day of Judgement! An angel wouldn't come down to sit next to a Devil.

So we treat non-Muslims fine, but that does not mean that we like you, accept you the way you are, and even find people who are lewd, homosexuals disgusting. We are never your friends.

What they hell do you expect me to teach in Islam?? That non-Muslims are the same as Muslims?? That people who go to Hell are the same as the one that go to Paradise?

Stop posting so much rubbish and spend more time reading!!!

opcorn:

 

[Predator]

You been eating pork? That would explain why you can't think straight. As mentioned so many times;-

That would also explain why he enjoy his friends seeing his wifes nakedness in his swimming pool which he shares with them .

Infact i wouldnt be suprised even if were to indulge in wife swapping. because If he eat pigs then he will behave like pigs as the pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth and It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. .And when People like titus consume pork , after dance parties, they have swapping of wives and then say 'you sleep with my wife
and I will sleep with your wife.'

 

[h-n]

That would also explain why he enjoy his friends seeing his wifes nakedness in his swimming pool which he shares with them .

Infact i wouldnt be suprised even if were to indulge in wife swapping. because If he eat pigs then he will behave like pigs as the pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth and It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. .And when People like titus consume pork , after dance parties, they have swapping of wives and then say 'you sleep with my wife
and I will sleep with your wife.'

I got to say this was funny how you wrote this. Lets just hope he gets it.

 

[Lynx]

That would also explain why he enjoy his friends seeing his wifes nakedness in his swimming pool which he shares with them .

Infact i wouldnt be suprised even if were to indulge in wife swapping. because If he eat pigs then he will behave like pigs as the pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth and It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. .And when People like titus consume pork , after dance parties, they have swapping of wives and then say 'you sleep with my wife
and I will sleep with your wife.'

and all muslims are terrorists and all muslims are illiterate and all muslims wear turbans and all muslims treat their wives like slaves. blah blah. you are the counter-part to all non muslim bigots.

 

[h-n]

and all muslims are terrorists and all muslims are illiterate and all muslims wear turbans and all muslims treat their wives like slaves. blah blah. you are the counter-part to all non muslim bigots.

Typical when a non-Muslim has nothing to say,they say anything.

1. It is a fact that many people eat pork and go and share pools, beaches and wearing what is not decent.

2. It is NOT a fact that many Muslims are into terrorism and treat women like slaves. Some people think that women are treated as slaves but that is a thought, NOT a fact.

3.
-Plus getting females to be lewd,
-giving a can of beer to their husband's,
-raising up children, and also having to work,
-telling females is OK to have sex without being married to them

if that isn't modern day slavery then what the Hell is?

Also no need to derail this thread with any answers, as we already have that thread "Re Lewd-its not normal, it disgusting"

 

[Muslimeen]

3.
-Plus getting females to be lewd,
-giving a can of beer to their husband's,
-raising up children, and also having to work,
-telling females is OK to have sex without being married to them

if that isn't modern day slavery then what the Hell is?

I somewhat agree, western liberation of women has really put a blindfold on women and is probably the biggest cover up job in history, yet they believe they are liberated.
They are allowed to have pre-marital sex as long as they are consenting adults, most men don't even have a need to marry anymore, just keep changing women without the burden of marriage. If she falls pregnant they just walk away, leaving her to raise the child on her own. If she does not wear a mini skirt and have a figure of a model, her value is not even worth a second look. Their culture is driven by lust, women are used to promote everything from a toothpick to a truck tyre, yet they are liberated and muslim women are oppressed. You can see their liberation in just about every magazine.

 

[Lynx]

Typical when a non-Muslim has nothing to say,they say anything.

1. It is a fact that many people eat pork and go and share pools, beaches and wearing what is not decent.

2. It is NOT a fact that many Muslims are into terrorism and treat women like slaves. Some people think that women are treated as slaves but that is a thought, NOT a fact.

3.
-Plus getting females to be lewd,
-giving a can of beer to their husband's,
-raising up children, and also having to work,
-telling females is OK to have sex without being married to them

if that isn't modern day slavery then what the Hell is?

Also no need to derail this thread with any answers, as we already have that thread "Re Lewd-its not normal, it disgusting"

re-read what i was responding to, please and thank you!

 

[Predator]

I got to say this was funny how you wrote this. Lets just hope he gets it.

There is a saying in English that "a man becomes what he eats." According to physicians and medical experts, pork is a harmful diet. Consumption of swine-flesh creates lowliness in character and destroys moral and spiritual faculties in a man.

The life of a man is a compound of body and soul. Anything, which is harmful for the body, hurts the soul as well. Consumption of swine-flesh reduces the feeling of shame and as such the standard of modesty. Those nations, which consume pork habitually, have a low standard of morality with the result that virginity, chastity and bashfulness are becoming a thing of the past in Europe today. The number of unwed mothers is on the increase despite of the use of pills and other contraceptives.

According to a report, 60 to 70% of girls in Sweden become mothers before marriage. The Since the European nations have become addicted to wine and pork, sexual freedom with all its attendant evils has got ingrained in their culture. Consequently, homosexuality has been legalized by the British Parliament.

The swine flu pandemic in 1918 which killed 40 million started in spain which is the country consuming 2nd largest amount of pork

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/foo_por_con_per_cap-food-pork-consumption-per-capita

 

[syed_z]

2. I am talking about the fact that non-Muslims are not the same as Muslims, which is what is accepted by ALL the Prophets. Prophet Lut peace be upon him did not come and tell people to be friends with the homosexuals. Neither did Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him accept homosexuals.

No But Prophet Lut (a.s) prayed and guided them in a manner which was right, and not like yours, you tend to create more Rift among Muslims and Non Muslims!

So as above in Islam we are absolutely right, I am not talking about helping non-Muslims when we live in this world, ie provide water, assistance etc, that's basic, I expect everyone to know that. I am talking about what Islam says about Muslims and non-Muslims, where you are ignoring the fact that non-Muslims are not the same as Muslims and NEVER will be, even this is agreed by Allah, the angels the Prophets etc.

yes But Islam teaches tolerance... and there should be tolerance in your behavior... which i am not seeing in this nor any other threads!

You keep on bringing up that I personally don't like non-Muslims, when neither do the angels etc. So I'm certainly not sorry to burst your idea that Muslim women are happy with non-Muslims. Probably listening to too much media hype. I would never choose to marry a non-Muslim, this is how personal Islam is for us, not just a way of life but how we are. I am so happy that we only marry Muslim Men who are steadfast and strong and willing to oppose lewd, homosexuality etc, frankly to BE MEN, to worship the one God, and remember the Day of Judgement! An angel wouldn't come down to sit next to a Devil.

well actually "sister in Islam".... Muslim Men also treat their Women not right, there are many Non Muslims who accept Islam and become better Muslims than Muslims by birth.... and it is NOT just him, I am A Muslim here, and i can clearly See your hostile Attitude towards Non Muslims! You are here trying to make such Non Muslims who come to learn, to make them run away... thats how i see you!

So we treat non-Muslims fine, but that does not mean that we like you, accept you the way you are, and even find people who are lewd, homosexuals disgusting. We are never your friends.

No 1st of All Muhammad (saw) taught Islam to others in a Humble manner...



(3:159) And it was by God's grace that you (O Prophet) did deal gently with your followers: for if you had been harsh and hard of heart, they would indeed have broken away from you....


Your attitude compared is so Hostile...you say to them ... NOT every Non Muslim is a Homosexual ..... dont act like we all Muslims THINK like you do! We are supposed to Forbid what is wrong and preach in the Best manner..... and yes we are their Friends as long as they are not hostile...

What they hell do you expect me to teach in Islam?? That non-Muslims are the same as Muslims?? That people who go to Hell are the same as the one that go to Paradise?

Stop posting so much rubbish and spend more time reading!!!

You need to stop posting in the name of Islam... you are the one spreading Rubbish! Non Muslims like Jews , Christians can also be Believers in One God and not all Non Muslims are Enemies of Islam and God...


You need to learn before you post!


For all Non Muslims...


This is "her" views NOT the View of Islam....

she is posting with out Evidence from Quran and Sunnah...