Canadian Bigotry, eh!

CosmicPathos said:
Dont you think that question actually puts to test the Canadian claim that women have equal freedoms and opportunities in this country? I mean about 50% of population is women. So if women were truly free to choose their career choices, you'd expect 50% women work force in almost every arena of life. So you'd expect a woman in any sort of a job as much as you'd expect a man, provided women were truly free and making independent decisions.
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Actually, no. Biology and culture play large roles here. A lot of women (and a much smaller percentage of men) put their primary focus on raising children over their careers, which leaves them less advanced in their careers if they do have them. I remember in law school the students were about 40% male and 60% female. Yes, you read that right. Now, 10 or so years out, those of us still practicing law include about 70% men and 30% women.

That's all beside my question though. Even if 80% of police officers were female in my example, you'd still get women drivers pulled over by male cops. Should they have to wait for female cops to come to them before they can process the traffic violation or other offence? I say no. The woman in that scenario should have to show her face to the male cop, so he can do his job and get about his day and process other offences. Perhaps this is a reason the Saudis don't want women driving?
 
Pygoscelis said:
Perhaps this is a reason the Saudis don't want women driving?
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loads of niqabbi drivers in Egypt with no such problems although admittedly I'd hate to be caught in traffic behind one since they're hyper-vigilant. You can always identify by fingerprints. It is cheap technology and available even at toys are us.

best,
 
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Not exactly a scientific poll, but it does show that Canada isn't so bigotted after all. I'm glad to be in the majority within my country this time. I voted against the ban.
 
ßlµêßêll said:

loads of niqabbi drivers in Egypt with no such problems although admittedly I'd hate to be caught in traffic behind one since they're hyper-vigilant. You can always identify by fingerprints. It is cheap technology and available even at toys are us.

best,
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The question then becomes how much should we change current systems in place to accomodate particlar subculture. And what do we do if these various subcultures of society clash with one another, such as another subculture who opposes finger printing.

We would equip all police with finger printing kits? Finger print taking and analysis would take considerably longer than just looking at somebody's face and comparing it to a photo. You'd need either extensive training or a good computer program (and computer that scans and compares prints and database of all the prints). You'd also have to get everybody who currently has licenses (as well as newly issued ones) to come in and give their prints, which a lot may object to since traditinoally we finger print only criminals.
 
Pygoscelis said:
We would equip all police with finger printing kits? Finger print taking and analysis would take considerably longer than just looking at somebody's face and comparing it to a photo. You'd need either extensive training or a good computer program (and computer that scans and compares prints and database of all the prints). You'd also have to get everybody who currently has licenses (as well as newly issued ones) to come in and give their prints, which a lot may object to since traditinoally we finger print only criminals.
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Canadians only finger print criminals? :skeleton:
In Indonesia, we get our finger print copied whenever we apply for licenses, and for national ID, we get our biometric data digitally stored (eyes, finger print).
 
Ramadhan said:

In Indonesia, we get our finger print copied whenever we apply for licenses, and for national ID, we get our biometric data digitally stored (eyes, finger print).
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Salaam,

That would be considered dictatorship in Britain.
 
Pygoscelis said:
The question then becomes how much should we change current systems in place to accomodate particlar subculture. And what do we do if these various subcultures of society clash with one another, such as another subculture who opposes finger printing.

We would equip all police with finger printing kits? Finger print taking and analysis would take considerably longer than just looking at somebody's face and comparing it to a photo. You'd need either extensive training or a good computer program (and computer that scans and compares prints and database of all the prints). You'd also have to get everybody who currently has licenses (as well as newly issued ones) to come in and give their prints, which a lot may object to since traditinoally we finger print only criminals.
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Perhaps its time to start equipping Canadian Police with modern technology? With increasing human numbers, similarities in faces are becoming common (there are only that many combinations you can get from independent assortment and meiotic cross-over). Moreover, anyone can put a fake mask on mimicking someone else. If Police can carry alcohol level meters in their cars, carrying a finger print reader does not seem such a bad idea.
 
CosmicPathos said:
Perhaps its time to start equipping Canadian Police with modern technology? With increasing human numbers, similarities in faces are becoming common (there are only that many combinations you can get from independent assortment and meiotic cross-over). Moreover, anyone can put a fake mask on mimicking someone else. If Police can carry alcohol level meters in their cars, carrying a finger print reader does not seem such a bad idea.
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Update our Canadian Technology? Would we have to give up our police dog sleds? :p

Seriously though, it may eventually come to what you propose as the population increases, moreso in bigger countries first though. I don't really see a need fo this concern just yet in Canada. I also can pretty much guarantee a political backlash if they tried to get all Canadians to give their fingerprints, given the history behind finger printing (that it is how criminals have been processed for so many years). Perhaps they will skip over fingerprinting and go directly to the eye technology the Indonesians are apparently using.
 
Since Canada is a non Muslim country, women coming should obey the rules of the commonwealth if they wish to be there. Many Canadians are worried about Islamic influences overwhelming Canada, as well as other Western Countries, and are trying to stop the influence of Shiara law one day taking over.
 
alpharius said:
Since Canada is a non Muslim country, women coming should obey the rules of the commonwealth if they wish to be there. Many Canadians are worried about Islamic influences overwhelming Canada, as well as other Western Countries, and are trying to stop the influence of Shiara law one day taking over.
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America currently do the same thing getting their policy on to other countries and starting illegal invasions and creating wars...They now have so many bases around the world try to be the world police, I actually don't even know if Sharia law exist in Iraq now as well. USA don't like it as they want to be world police but they can't if middle east is run by Sharia
 
alpharius said:
Since Canada is a non Muslim country, women coming should obey the rules of the commonwealth if they wish to be there. Many Canadians are worried about Islamic influences overwhelming Canada, as well as other Western Countries, and are trying to stop the influence of Shiara law one day taking over.
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I can't wait once Muslims take over. Just a matter of time. ;D
 
alpharius said:
Since Canada is a non Muslim country, women coming should obey the rules of the commonwealth if they wish to be there. Many Canadians are worried about Islamic influences overwhelming Canada, as well as other Western Countries, and are trying to stop the influence of Shiara law one day taking over.
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alpharius said:
Not going to happen
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Then why are so many Canadians worried about Islam's influence on Canada? Assuming such influence exists.

Canadian Muslims have every right to speak out against the law of their country and propose new ones. They can set up their own political party, demand to implement the Sharia and participate in elections. If they win, they can implement the Sharia. This is what democracy is all about.

Besides, the more western governments prevent Muslims from practicing their faith, hopefully Muslims will realise we need our own Islamic state, where we can practice Islam in peace. Of course, the USA and its allies won't allow that, so we will simply bring the Sharia to western countries, in a slow and stable manner.
 
Personally I think there is actually a way for Muslims to take over the world. But first we have to stop talking about it. And concentrate on being the best there is in any legitimate field. Like being the best doctor, the best teacher, the best businessman.
 
alpharius said:
Since Canada is a non Muslim country, women coming should obey the rules of the commonwealth if they wish to be there. Many Canadians are worried about Islamic influences overwhelming Canada, as well as other Western Countries, and are trying to stop the influence of Shiara law one day taking over.
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Hello, if you are truly right then why was not this commonwealth so concerned about niqab before last month for the last 50 years? Muslims have been inhabiting Canada for at least more than 50 years. These Muslim women that you so despise did not have to follow a rule till this year, because the rule did not exist in this "commonwealth" canadian. The worried Canadians should be more worried about non-Muslim plastic surgeons who raped a woman at University of Toronto.

Go and read history. How come commonwealth just woke up from its slumber and realized to implement one of its forgotten laws "thou shalt not allow niqab." Seems this commonwealth is not so smart anyways
 
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Tragic Typos said:
Then why are so many Canadians worried about Islam's influence on Canada? Assuming such influence exists.
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Not many are. Those who are tend to be so because they watch and listen to too much US media. There is no real threat of Islam "taking over" Canada. There is much more of a threat TO muslims than by muslims in both Canada and the US (who is far more paranoid about muslims).

Canadian Muslims have every right to speak out against the law of their country and propose new ones. They can set up their own political party, demand to implement the Sharia and participate in elections.
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That is true.

If they win, they can implement the Sharia. This is what democracy is all about.
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That is not. Canada is not a mob rule democracy. It is a constitutional monarchy with a charter of rights and freedoms and constitution than can not simply be ended via popular vote.

Besides, the more western governments prevent Muslims from practicing their faith, hopefully Muslims will realise we need our own Islamic state, where we can practice Islam in peace. Of course, the USA and its allies won't allow that, so we will simply bring the Sharia to western countries, in a slow and stable manner.
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In a country as multi-cultural as Canada, secular rule is the only viable option. Because your freedom to practice your religion only extends so far as your right to be free from the other guy's religion. Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion.
 
CosmicPathos said:
These Muslim women that you so despise did not have to follow a rule till this year, because the rule did not exist in this "commonwealth" canadian.
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Is this true? You've been allowed to take the citizenship oath in Canada in the past with wearing a burka? People have done this for decades? If so then I see your point and agree. It would make this news item especially alarming.
 

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