CANCER: Conventional Treatment vs Alternative (Natural) Treatment

[جوري]

I didn't read every post but would say it depends on the cancer.. Some have a very high cure rate with conventional treatment so why would I consider anything else? and some are deadly within a couple of months in which case I might consider other options.. thus I have chosen not sure..

 

[piXie]

Some have a very high cure rate with conventional treatment so why would I consider anything else?

So that u can avoid going under the knife, compromise half your body limbs and loose all your hair ? :hmm:

If there is a treatment where a person does not have to go through all the traumatic side effects, why insist on pumping ur system with toxic drugs and radiation, which by the way, are one of the causes of cancer in the first place..

 

[جوري]

So that u can avoid going under the knife, compromise half your body limbs and loose all your hair ? :hmm:

If there is a treatment where a person does not have to go through all the traumatic side effects, why insist on pumping ur system with toxic drugs and radiation, which by the way, are one of the causes of cancer in the first place..

not all cancers are operable and not all cancers are deadly.. if a cancer can be resected surgically that is actually a lucky thing.. certain thyroid cancers can be completely resected with a 90% cure rate, why should I wait for a cancer to metastasize with 'natural' treatment when I can get rid of it in one go? most times unfortunately cancers are very advanced and treatment is used only to palliate.. be that as it may it is a known fact that deadly diseases require dangerous treatment .. shark cartilage isn't going to do it for a GBM no matter what the advertisements say furthermore 'Natural' isn't necessarily without harm. Many 'Natural' things are quite deadly.. dignoxin is natural and not synthetic and can cause delirium, convulsions, death!
So I guess we need to define what Natural is? If there were some miracle treatments in various herbs there would be a fortune to be made.. for cancer unfortunately in order to arrest growth and proliferation, medications that cause an arrest in one of the phases of cell growths has to be used.. Ideally folks would like to make treatments that target only cancer cells and strides are being made in that.. but fact is most treatments target most cells which causes all the nasty side effects.. It is a juggling act..
either the cancer kills or the drugs kill or the immune system just collapses so a person needs to understand all their options.. I don't see how anyone can make such a decision based on a poll..

 

[FS123]

I like holistic approach. By that I mean right nutrition, exercise, rest. Here is a good lecture on food and cancer: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/william_li.html But this approach is prevention based rather than cure. Once cancer reaches a stage, I guess there is no other choice then to go through conventional.

 

[piXie]

why should I wait for a cancer to metastasize with 'natural' treatment when I can get rid of it in one go?

There are less chances of a cancer metastasizing and re-occurring with a natural and holistic approach, this is because the Holistic and natural approach treats the cause, strengthens the natural defenses of the body, and creates an internal environment which makes the cancer difficult to survive.

Cancerous cells are mistreated cells. They need to be understood and rectified, not cut out. That will only cause other health risks and complications,

it is a known fact that deadly diseases require dangerous treatment

Not always. Many times it’s the simplest of solutions which get rid of the most complicated of problems. If we understand the human body and give it what it needs, miracles happen.

.. shark cartilage isn't going to do it for a GBM no matter what the advertisements say

lol maybe it would maybe it wouldn’t. It has proven to prevent the process of angiogenesis in certain cancer patients, but I am not sure if it’s been tried for GMB.

Treatment of cancer is not done by any one herb or food, it’s a whole process of strengthening n rectifying the internal balance of the body.

furthermore 'Natural' isn't necessarily without harm. Many 'Natural' things are quite deadly.. dignoxin is natural and not synthetic and can cause delirium, convulsions, death!
So I guess we need to define what Natural is?

Yea, by natural I mean Living foods and Herbs. I’m not referring to those natural things which are deadly.

If there were some miracle treatments in various herbs there would be a fortune to be made..

That is what I thought too, but doesn’t seem like it. These herbs and Living foods can be grown in your garden and inside your kitchen.

The only people who would be sad are the drug industry. It would mean their millions a year business going down. :ermm:

for cancer unfortunately in order to arrest growth and proliferation, medications that cause an arrest in one of the phases of cell growths has to be used.. Ideally folks would like to make treatments that target only cancer cells and strides are being made in that.. but fact is most treatments target most cells which causes all the nasty side effects.. It is a juggling act..

Like I stated above, there are treatments out there which target just the cancer cells, and not only that but at the same time strengthen all the other body cells. Its only a matter of researching beyond the drug world and what the medical profession teaches.

either the cancer kills or the drugs kill or the immune system just collapses so a person needs to understand all their options.. I don't see how anyone can make such a decision based on a poll..

nah.. no one is expected to make such a decision based upon a poll. The poll is just there to give a general idea of how people view cancer and whether they believe it can be cured using natural treatments.

 

[al yunan]

Assalamu Alaikum to all,

When one is faced with a deadly ailment the first thing that surfaces is Aqidah.
Depending what and how one believes is how one decides what to do, for example brother Woodrow chose Tawakal Allah and probably also chose some other Asbab for cure.
I was told that part of my foot had to be cut off, I chose a herbal cure yes it was painful but I still have my foot.
In my case I feared more having to explain the loss of my foot rather than the loss itself.
Allah S.W.T has promised us a cure for every ailment except death.
Do we Muslims really believe He gave those cures to our enemies to manipulate us plus feed us poisons ?
I for one will never ever believe that.
We taught the west Medicine now look at us.
We deserve every ailment under the sun until we wake up to the truth.

May Allah S.W.T grant us Hidaya.
Masalam


PS: By the way the best cure I've ever hear for Cancer is Amygdalin it only costs cents but available only to the rich and powerfull.
As for the poor folk you can obtain it from peaches, the fruit and the almond like seed. It is rumored to be a recipe of Hippocrates himself. Allahu Waalam

 

[Woodrow]

an important reminder for all:

DO NOT USE ANY WEBSITE AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO MEDICAL ADVICE OR TREATMENT.​

IT IS ONLY AN OPINION AS TO WHAT WORKED OR DID NOT WORK FOR THE PERSON WHO WRITES THE OPINION.

 

[piXie]

Thanks for reminder uncle woody. I hope no one is doing that.

 

[جوري]

There are less chances of a cancer metastasizing and re-occurring with a natural and holistic approach, this is because the Holistic and natural approach treats the cause, strengthens the natural defenses of the body, and creates an internal environment which makes the cancer difficult to survive.

That sounds nice in theory, but fact is molecular and cell bio is with us today not light years away.. we know the mechanism of action of drugs and we understand cellular physiology. and they go hand in hand. Most labels on these so-called 'natural/holistic' products read beautifully and are convincing but no science goes into it.
The truth of the matter is, they now have to teach doctors and pharmacists about these so-called natural products because many of them cause everything from thrombocytopenia to cardiac and liver toxicity not to mention can intact dangerously with FDA approved medications.
Further their efficacy, side-effect profile, benefits aren't clearly understood not only since so few of them are randomized head to head with FDA approved meds but since there is no phase 1-IV trial there is absolutely no restriction and no liability in the very likely case that something goes awry.

ex. Everyone totes the benefits of St. John's wort for depression compared to SSRI's.. well St. John's wort is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (the older classes of depression meds) which had a very unfavorable side effect profile compared to SSRI's.
Either way, it along with SSRI's did worst than placebo in an NIH conducted double blind trial..
Any thing you allege is natural has to work by means we already know, and everything you put in your body has an adverse effect!

Cancerous cells are mistreated cells. They need to be understood and rectified, not cut out. That will only cause other health risks and complications,

You can't change the DNA once it has gone bad.. if your genetics code for brown iris pigmentation, there is very little you can do to change that, even so some strides are being made in that area there and possible with vectors and genetic engineering to change some things it is not an area for some mysterious natural herb. I am not sure why you're down on cutting cancer cells out.. If a cancer can be caught early enough to be 'cut out' then that is actually the best policy.. later tumor markers can be used to check for recurrence of disease but it is in situ then it is a very lucky thing to be able to cut it out!

Not always. Many times it’s the simplest of solutions which get rid of the most complicated of problems. If we understand the human body and give it what it needs, miracles happen.

Science is indeed a miracle not wishful thinking.

lol maybe it would maybe it wouldn’t. It has proven to prevent the process of angiogenesis in certain cancer patients, but I am not sure if it’s been tried for GMB.

by what means?

Treatment of cancer is not done by any one herb or food, it’s a whole process of strengthening n rectifying the internal balance of the body.

That is what modern medicine does, it addresses nutritional/psychological/physiological needs of the patient. It is very doubtful that something bought over the counter could do that!

Yea, by natural I mean Living foods and Herbs. I’m not referring to those natural things which are deadly.

foods and herbs can be used in conjunction but certainly not a substitute!

That is what I thought too, but doesn’t seem like it. These herbs and Living foods can be grown in your garden and inside your kitchen.

Back in the day, various herbs were gathered from places like Brazil taken into the lab, broken down and looked into to see in which way they can help, alot of the medications we have come from all sorts of oddities like postmenopausal women's urine, to fish testicles, to byproducts of bacteria (yes I kid you not) but we can also achieve great results with synthesized meds. But whether coming from someone's pee or testicle I'd still rather have it go through phases of trials then have it on the counter with a pretty label and mystery everything else.

The only people who would be sad are the drug industry. It would mean their millions a year business going down. :ermm:

I doubt that very much!

Like I stated above, there are treatments out there which target just the cancer cells, and not only that but at the same time strengthen all the other body cells. Its only a matter of researching beyond the drug world and what the medical profession teaches.

You're welcome to share those here

nah.. no one is expected to make such a decision based upon a poll. The poll is just there to give a general idea of how people view cancer and whether they believe it can be cured using natural treatments.

What is actually really sad is that one in three will be plagued with cancer at some point in their lives, I sure do hope to God, they make an educated decision about their choice of treatment!

 

[piXie]

hmmmmm. This might take some time to explain. Please bear with me until my exams finish.

 

[piXie]

:salamext:

Alhamdulillaah eXms r over **until 2 months** Jazak Allaah Khair for your patience.

That sounds nice in theory,

It does sound nice in theory, but, it’s actually even better in practice. When a person speaks of a holistic and natural approach, they are not referring to products with wishful labels. That would be a misunderstanding.

Perhaps it should first be explained what is meant by 'Holistic Treatment' of cancer.

If a fish is ill because of contaminated water, will you give it a drug or change the water?

Common sense will tell us to change the water, right? Well, very simply put, that is holistic medicine. Prescribing a drug without removing the harm or addressing the underlying causes of the disease may ease the symptoms for a short while, but it will never cure the condition.

Holistic Treatment uses the reverse method. Instead of targeting and concentrating on the cancer itself, it targets and concentrates on the underlying causes of the cancer. It removes the harm first i.e. eliminates all the possible factors which are causing or contributing towards the spread of cancer (e.g. free radicals, toxins, carcinogens etc)

An example,

Let’s say a house is infested with mice. You can either;

a) Burn the mice out. Risks involved: costs; may damage house; no guarantee every mouse has been killed; house re-infested after some time due to bits of food.

OR..

b) Seal all the cracks, keep the place totally clean and food free. Risks involved: None; eventually every mouse will die; cannot survive in an environment without food.

Just like there is a reason for a mouse being in a house, there is a reason for the cancer being in the body. Cancer doesn’t just appear out of nowhere, there is a reason it’s there. Something has aggravated those cells which have mutated. The faster we understand the reason (cause) and remove it, the faster we are on our way to prevention and recovery.

In the same way that the mice will die when they are not given their specific environment to survive, the cancer cells will also die if they are not given their specific environment.

We need to understand the concepts and principles first, in order to successfully treat. The diseases people have may be different, our bodies may be different, but the principles of health are the same.

This is how holistic and natural medicine approaches cancer, as well as many other illnesses. And because they understand the correct concepts (which are also explained in the Prophets Medicine :arabic5: ) they have more answers and are more successful than conventional medicine in their treatments. Take a skin disease like eczema as an example. Acc to conv med, there is no cure for it, but acc to hol. med there is.

The prognosis of a disease depends very much on the type of treatment we choose. If a person is ill because of nutritional deficiencies, we could prescribe as many as 1000 drugs and it will not help. It will only make the person more sick, and then what.. we prescribe more drugs?

I am not sure why you're down on cutting cancer cells out.. If a cancer can be caught early enough to be 'cut out' then that is actually the best policy.. later tumor markers can be used to check for recurrence of disease but it is in situ then it is a very lucky thing to be able to cut it out!

I understand in some dire situations the cancer has to be cut out, like where the growth may be compressing an artery or vein. In situations like that, conventional intervention may be necessary.

But why in every cancer case? Many, if not most cancers can be cured without using such an intrusive method of treatment which compromises half a patients organs and limbs.

Cutting, burning or drugging out every cancer is not solving the problem or curing the disease. Infact, the toxicity of these type of treatments may actually contribute to the cancer spreading further.

That is what modern medicine does, it addresses nutritional/psychological/physiological needs of the patient.

Does it though? Modern medicine will prescribe the fish a drug. :ermm:

foods and herbs can be used in conjunction but certainly not a substitute!

The food we eat nowadays is certainly not a substitute. Infact, it is actually contributing towards the spread of cancer.

But, there are foods, high quality, nutritious living foods which, if taken in a certain quantity, can have a Therapeutic effect and totally shoot the cancer in its roots.

If u dont believe that, research for yourself. In a world we live in today, a student is not always taught the correct thing at school, they have to search for it themselves.

A patient is not always informed about all their options, they have to search for them, themselves.

Sad reality, but, its everyone to themselves.

I doubt that very much!

You may doubt that very much, but the drug industry doesn't. They feel threatened by natural therapies. See for yourself.. natural therapies are under attack.

What is actually really sad is that one in three will be plagued with cancer at some point in their lives, I sure do hope to God, they make an educated decision about their choice of treatment!

I hope they do too. But you will agree that its hard to change people's views when they have been bought up to believe in certain concepts. Remember when science discovered the world is round?

 

[piXie]

Btw for anyone who is interested in more information on Holistic treatments for cancer and other diseases, I'd recommend these books:

1. 100% Health by Patrick Holford


2. Wheatgrass, Natures finest medicine by Steve Meyerowitz


3. Encyclopedia of Herbal Medicine by Thomas Bartram


If anyone knows any more, please share!

 

[FS123]

I'll post Dr. William Li's lecture again, he explains it very well and lecture is only 20 mins: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/william_li.html

Dr. William Li presents a new way to think about treating cancer and other diseases: anti-angiogenesis, preventing the growth of blood vessels that feed a tumor. The crucial first (and best) step: Eating cancer-fighting foods that cut off the supply lines and beat cancer at its own game.​

It is very informative lecture, it also talks about food synergies and shows results from clinical trials.

Btw for anyone who is interested in more information on Holistic treatments for cancer and other diseases, I'd recommend these books:

1. 100% Health by Patrick Holford


2. Wheatgrass, Natures finest medicine by Steve Meyerowitz


3. Encyclopedia of Herbal Medicine by Thomas Bartram


If anyone knows any more, please share!

 

[piXie]

Brilliant, Jazak Allaah Khair for posting that!

 

[piXie]

A cancer patient told me not so long ago, that they went to Germany for an alternative cancer treatment. It has shown positive results, alhamdulillaah. Someone else I know mentioned Clinics in Germany too, where qualified doctors are treating cancer without chemotherapy. Anyways, I came across this while searching the net about it.

Quite interesting...

The most scientifically advanced cancer treatment you can get on planet earth​

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By Andrew Scholberg (healthcare consumer advocate and a medical journalist)​

Dear Friend,

Having toured 17 cancer clinics in four countries, let me tell you about the astounding cancer breakthrough in Germany......a stunning advancement that makes the hellish cancer treatments in America obsolete.

Yes, Germany's top cancer doctors have a long track record, proving that drastic surgery, burning radiation, and poisonous chemo are now out of date . They've developed a better way.
Incredible as it sounds, Germany's top cancer doctors literally "cook" cancer out of your body while you sleep -- and you wake up without any bad side effects.

No bad side effects.

No hair loss, no vomiting, and no nausea.

The German cancer cure is turning the worldwide medical community upside down! Patients whip their cancer in Germany and enjoy a new lease on life. Yet the American medical establishment hides the amazing German cancer cure from you.

It's shocking that some American doctors still insist on drastic, disfiguring surgeries such as radical mastectomies. Just as shocking, some American doctors still insist on "orchectomies" for prostate patients -- the surgical removal of the testicles!

But these crude operations are definitely obsolete according to a German surgeon I interviewed.
This brilliant surgeon insists it's unnecessary to poison patients with massive doses of chemo. He also says the drastic, disfiguring cancer surgeries Americans take for granted are totally unnecessary...

During my tour of six German cancer clinics, I found out German doctors have leaped far ahead of American doctors.
While still in office, President Reagan got rid of his cancer the German way
When President Ronald Reagan got cancer during his presidency, the great German doctor Hans Nieper, M.D, treated him. It would have been front page news if it hadn't been hushed up at the time.
Just imagine if the American public knew a sitting president preferred German cancer treatments!
I learned about it from my confidential source in Germany. In addition, Reagan's German doctor acknowledged it in an interview.

Reagan lived for another 19 years
He died at age 93, and not from cancer.
No wonder so many other celebrities and even European royalty have gone to Germany to get rid of their cancer.

But first let me briefly introduce myself. I'm Andrew Scholberg, a healthcare consumer advocate and a medical journalist. I'm not a doctor. And that gives me an advantage because, as a journalist, I'm free to tell you about the alternative treatments your doctor can't tell you about without getting into serious trouble.

And that's no exaggeration. I've interviewed several American doctors who've been hassled by medical boards or the government. One distinguished doctor served 56 days on a road gang -- like "Cool Hand Luke" -- before the governor pardoned him.
Health-care freedom in America has all but disappeared.

read the rest here: http://quantumtouch.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3531030471/m/4281083582

Also if anyone is interested in purchasing the German Cancer Breakthrough: A Guide to Top German Alternative Clinics. CLICK --> http://www.germancancerbreakthrough.com/

see also: http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer03/GermanClinics.html

 

[dž.as.a.džasmin]

I watched this on Ted few days ago, a man cured himself of cancer.
ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dave_debronkart_meet_e_patient_dave.html

 

[Riana17]

Salam Alaikkum,

This is real story happend here in ME

A doctor told a man to leave here and go back to Lebanon as he has only 2months to live.

One friend offer his wife in secret to keep him here and he would do 'something' which she agrees on and said, if nothing improves in a month, you can leave.

So he didnt file a resignation, just a leave and stay.

Each morning he would bring him a fresh camel's milk and instructed the wife to make him drink it immediately & throw the left over without fail.

She carefully followed it for a month and finally visited the doctor.

The doctor made test and another test and repeated them once again, he was shocked and said 'what have you done'? He said nothing, I am just drinking fresh camel's milk from my friend.

The secret which he didnt knew??? His friend would add camel's urine in the milk....


After hearing I told my husband and he said yes, they are using the camel's urine for medicine on older times.


wikipedia...

Islam In Sunni Islam, the Sahih Bukhari, which forms one of the six major Hadith collections quotes the Prophet Muhammad advocating drinking camel's urine as a medicine in several verses.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP]
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 590:

Narrated Anas: The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine).[SUP][12][/SUP]
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Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794:

Narrated Anas: Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.[SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP]
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Although it is recorded in the Bukhari that Prophet Muhammad advocated drinking camel urine as a medicine to his followers, and did not describe it as dirty or demeaning, later commentators find urine to be something that is "filth in an extreme degree" without denouncing its alleged medicinal properties.[SUP][16][/SUP] Abū Ḥanīfa said that it's disliked, but not forbidden, to drink the urine from camels.[SUP][16][/SUP] Abu Yusuf said that urine from camels can be consumed for medicinal purposes.[SUP][16][/SUP]

 

[piXie]

extract from artcile in post #35

FDA officials sneak off to Germany
for the treatments they deny you​

Back in 1987, Dr. Nieper let a man named Jeff Harsh interview him for a video documentary. After commenting that “President Reagan is a very nice man,” Dr. Nieper declared:

“You wouldn’t believe how many FDA officials or relatives or acquaintances of FDA officials come to see me as patients in Hanover. You wouldn’t believe this — or directors of the American Medical Association (AMA), or American Cancer Society (ACS), or the presidents of orthodox cancer institutes. That’s the fact.”

Well, that’s America’s cancer establishment for you.

FDA officials and their colleagues want you to submit to disfiguring surgery, poisonous chemo, and burning radiation when you get cancer. But when they get cancer — well, that’s different! They go to Germany to get rid of their cancer. For themselves, they prefer treatments that are more effective and don’t have any side effects.


America’s cancer system is a broken down mess

These fat cats don’t practice what they preach, so why do they hide the German cancer breakthrough from you? Most likely, the answer is money. Cancer treatment in America has become a racket. It costs $350,000 to die of cancer in America.

You could buy a nice house for that kind of money — and pay cash!

The fact is, the drug companies get filthy rich when you buy their grossly overpriced chemo drugs, one of which costs $10,000 a month!

But don’t blame your doctor. He’s so pressed for time that he relies on the medical establishment’s “experts” to tell him what works and what doesn’t. Furthermore, he knows that he risks losing his license if he breathes even a word about alternative therapies for cancer. So he does the best he can in a broken system.

American doctors aren’t evil; they simply tell you what they learned in medical school. And unfortunately, the American medical schools are under the thumb of the drug companies. The drug company executives, on the other hand, aren’t so innocent.

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[piXie]

more from the article..

Why this surgeon recommends against surgery​

I wish every American cancer surgeon could hear what this German surgeon told me about the nature of cancer:

“In cancer, the whole body is ill. You can’t just cut off a breast and pretend everything’s OK. You must treat the whole patient. That’s why we use a combination therapy for the whole body. As a surgeon, I usually recommend against surgery. You’ll get metastasis unless you get at the cause of the cancer. It’s not enough just to get rid of the tumor. You have to get rid of the metastasized cells, and that requires treating the whole body.”

German cancer doctors pull cancer out by the roots while American cancer doctors just dither around treating symptoms. That’s a BIG difference.

American researchers acknowledge
the German cancer breakthrough

American cancer researchers generally frown on alternative, complementary, and integrative treatments for cancer. It’s been said that their idea of research is to see if two doses of this poison are better than three doses of that poison.

But researchers from Columbia University in New York were at least open-minded enough to travel to one of Germany’s top cancer clinics and examine several “terminal” cases of cancer. All of these cancers were cured using the German cancer breakthrough.

The researchers were forced to admit that the German therapy “merits further study.”

 

[piXie]

and more....

Cancer dilemma: do you swat mosquitoes or drain the swamp?​

Perhaps the main difference between American cancer doctors and their German counterparts is that the American doctors only focus on the symptom of cancer, which is the tumor. But that’s like swatting mosquitoes. After you’ve swatted one, another one soon appears.

That’s the way it is with cancer, if you focus only on the tumor. What good does it do to get rid of a tumor if another one grows back?

“Swatting mosquitoes” doesn’t cut it. You have to get at the root cause. You have to drain the swamp! And that’s why the select German cancer doctors in my report are so successful. Of course, they’re good at getting rid of tumors, but they also focus on the root causes of cancer: toxicity in the body and improper diet.

The typical cancer patient’s body is sludged up with all kinds of toxins that must come out of the body. American cancer doctors totally ignore this toxic mess, while German doctors use effective therapies to get rid of it.