Candle For Peace

[Vaseline]

since you put it that way..Daffodil, my apoligies for the comment i made (Which has been deleted by some Mod).

Please, learn to respect the opinions of others, you have an extremist point of view on every matter that ever arises, don't shove your opinions down everyones throats.

If you are about to go jump off a bridge, dont expect everyone else to do the same.

Live and let live.

See? Now that's a much better way of putting it rather than making personal attacks

 

[SirZubair]

See? Now that's a much better way of putting it rather than making personal attacks

Just for the record, that took alot of effort,.. you owe me big time

 

[The Ruler]

Salam....i lit 1....n its nyc....:thumbs_up....Wasslam

 

[Vaseline]

Just for the record, that took alot of effort,.. you owe me big time

Just as much effort you made in making that comment, that's how much effort it took you in making those statements. So, I don't owe you anything =).

Anyways, let's get back on topic =).

 

[Dawud_uk]

since you put it that way..Daffodil, my apoligies for the comment i made (Which has been deleted by some Mod).

Please, learn to respect the opinions of others, you have an extremist point of view on every matter that ever arises, don't shove your opinions down everyones throats.

If you are about to go jump off a bridge, dont expect everyone else to do the same.

Live and let live.

Assalaamu Alaykum Sir Zubair,

Sister Daffodil is my wife, I cannot think of more than a handful of matters in Islam where we disagree so by calling her extremist I would imagine you would think the same about myself.

I also know she is not out to ram her opinion down other’s throats, but where people speak against the Sunnah and in favour of innovation then we all have a duty to speak out.

Where a matter is shown to be in accordance with the Sunnah then we should support it and I know myself and sister Daffodil are agreed on this, if you show either herself or myself where we have come to an opinion in contrary to the Quran and Sunnah and if we agreed we would change our opinion in a flash and take the stronger evidence from the Quran and Sunnah you presented.

The problem is that those who use labels like ‘extremist’, ‘backwards’, ‘******’ etc do so because they have no argument or a weak argument so resort to name calling instead, they don’t have the stronger evidence so they resort to labels instead to slander the argument through slandering the person giving it.

I take it as an insult against the prophet Muhammad (saws) and Islam when people attack a position taken from the scholars who use the Quran and Sunnah to come to their position, instead referring to their whims and desires, and weak and fabricated evidences.

Such a person is in reality calling the prophet Muhammad (saws) and the righteous generations extremists as usually it can be shown they took the same position!

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Daw’ud

 

[SirZubair]

Assalaamu Alaykum Sir Zubair,

Sister Daffodil is my wife, I cannot think of more than a handful of matters in Islam where we disagree so by calling her extremist I would imagine you would think the same about myself.

I also know she is not out to ram her opinion down other’s throats, but where people speak against the Sunnah and in favour of innovation then we all have a duty to speak out.

Where a matter is shown to be in accordance with the Sunnah then we should support it and I know myself and sister Daffodil are agreed on this, if you show either herself or myself where we have come to an opinion in contrary to the Quran and Sunnah and if we agreed we would change our opinion in a flash and take the stronger evidence from the Quran and Sunnah you presented.

The problem is that those who use labels like ‘extremist’, ‘backwards’, ‘******’ etc do so because they have no argument or a weak argument so resort to name calling instead, they don’t have the stronger evidence so they resort to labels instead to slander the argument through slandering the person giving it.

I take it as an insult against the prophet Muhammad (saws) and Islam when people attack a position taken from the scholars who use the Quran and Sunnah to come to their position, instead referring to their whims and desires, and weak and fabricated evidences.

Such a person is in reality calling the prophet Muhammad (saws) and the righteous generations extremists as usually it can be shown they took the same position!

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Daw’ud

Dawud, tell me, how is sparking a candle an innovation? what does that have to do with Islam? it is a simple gesture, and thats the end of that.

This is NOTHING to do with Islam, this is nothing to do with the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed.

Dawud, for once, for the love of God, Cut the crap.

As for your first comment, yes, i do think you are Just that.

Next you'll be linking Toilet paper to Islam and will be saying that "Using toilet paper is an innovation, it is not Sunnah to use toilet paper to remove the stains of Satan..."

Go on, make my day.

At the end of the day, she was doing just that, she was shoving her opinion down peoples throats. How many times did she return to this thread and post messages which are against the reason of this thread being created? Please don't tell me that is her idea of 'dawah'.

I'll call an idiot an idiot. By calling an idiot an intelligent person won't change him.

I'll call a glass of water A Glass Of Water, by calling it Milk, i won't be able to change it.

I will call someone with Extremist views an Extremist. By making excuses for that person, i won't be able to change anything.

It is one thing to Deny something that is staring you in the face. It is another thing to believe it too.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Dawud, tell me, how is sparking a candle an innovation? what does that have to do with Islam? it is a simple gesture, and thats the end of that.

This is NOTHING to do with Islam, this is nothing to do with the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed.

As for your first comment, yes, i do think you are Just that.

Next you'll be linking Toilet paper to Islam and will be saying that "Using toilet paper is an innovation, it is not Sunnah to use toilet paper to remove the stains of Satan..."

Go on, make my day.

At the end of the day, she was doing just that, she was shoving her opinion down peoples throats. How many times did she return to this thread and post messages which are against the reason of this thread being created? Please don't tell me that is her idea of 'dawah'.

I'll call an idiot an idiot. By calling an idiot an intelligent person won't change him.

I'll call a glass of water A Glass Of Water, by calling it Milk, i won't be able to change it.

I will call someone with Extremist views an Extremist. By making excuses for that person, i won't be able to change anything.

It is one thing to Deny something that is staring you in the face. It is another thing to believe it too.

assalaamu alaykum,

did the prophet Muhammad saws light a candle for peace or did he organise armies and fight the kuffar? did he not make du'a for their destruction?

our deen is complete, when it comes to deen related matters then yes this is an innovation, toilet paper is clearly not a deen related matter where as this is clearly acting against the sunnah.

you are also a rude person and this is also far from the sunnah, may Allah guide you and bring you back to the straight path and come away from the path of Ahlus bidah and teach you some manners in the process, ameen!

assalaamu alaykum,

ps...
anyone noticed the 'w' ward is now starred out when we use it lol?

 

[Muezzin]

I dont see how lighting a candle is gonna unite people

You've obviously never experienced a blackout.

 

[Isaac]

come on, people must learn to draw a line somewhere, and when people are trying with intention solely based for the pleasure of allah, give them a chance as long as this action does not contradict the teachings of quran and sunnah. And in terms of immitating the kuffar, if your intention is soley based on following the kuffar, then it is a sin no doubt, but if that thought does not come to mind then how are you so. If someone lights a candle with the intention of following the kuffar, again this will be a sinful act. And about name callibg, brothers theres name calling on both sides, one person calls another salfi extremits, the other calls an innovator, bida 'ti, ect ect. That doesnt make it right, but it does make you realise that people will go to low levels and emotions to take predecent when two can not agree.

Yes make dua, do what ever you can, without imitating the kuffar, to show you intention. But dont just leave it at a dua, duas with the inetnion to act and a dua with an actoion that follows is far more superior.

So keep your intention clean, for the sake of allah and without going against the teaching of muhammed pbuh and the rightous that followed.

 

[SirZubair]

assalaamu alaykum,

did the prophet Muhammad saws light a candle for peace or did he organise armies and fight the kuffar? did he not make du'a for their destruction?

our deen is complete, when it comes to deen related matters then yes this is an innovation, toilet paper is clearly not a deen related matter where as this is clearly acting against the sunnah.

you are also a rude person and this is also far from the sunnah, may Allah guide you and bring you back to the straight path and come away from the path of Ahlus bidah and teach you some manners in the process, ameen!

assalaamu alaykum,

ps...
anyone noticed the 'w' ward is now starred out when we use it lol?

I am rude as much as you are irrational. So as far as i am concerned, We are even Br.Dawud.

As for What Prophet Muhammed did, you and I do not have the Wisdom that he (s.a.w) had.

How about you Pray for peace first, and if that doesn't work, then you do whatever it is that you feel like doing?

By the way, what are you doing online? Since you are a 'salafi' and all that, shouln't you be out there recruiting an army to go do 'physical jihad' / Suicide mission on the 'Kaffirs' ?

And yes, Toilet paper is as much to do with Islam as this Candle issue is.

May Allah swt guide you back to Islam and away from Self Righteousness.



p.s Did Muhammed s.a.w pray for people to be GUIDED more often or for people to be DESTROYED ?

Happy Hunting Sunshine.

 

[Dawud_uk]

I am rude as much as you are irrational. So as far as i am concerned, We are even Br.Dawud.

As for What Prophet Muhammed did, you and I do not have the Wisdom that he (s.a.w) had.

How about you Pray for peace first, and if that doesn't work, then you do whatever it is that you feel like doing?

By the way, what are you doing online? Since you are a 'salafi' and all that, shouln't you be out there recruiting an army to go do 'physical jihad' / Suicide mission on the 'Kaffirs' ?

And yes, Toilet paper is as much to do with Islam as this Candle issue is.

May Allah swt guide you back to Islam and away from Self Righteousness.



p.s Did Muhammed s.a.w pray for people to be GUIDED more often or for people to be DESTROYED ?

Happy Hunting Sunshine.

he did indeed pray for them to be guided, but he also prayed for their destruction. i acknowledge both facts, do you?

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

if any one assures me that lighting candles would bring peace then ......... im ready to light thousands of candles...

INSTEAD OF LIGHTING A CANDLE PRAY 2 RAKAS.......... I HOPE THAT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.............

OK DOES ANYONE OF YOU KNOW WHO STARTED THE CONCEPT OF "LIGHTING CANDLES FOR PEACE"......:? :?

I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE IDEA OF A "CANDLE MANUFACTURING COMPANY"

 

[Muezzin]

OK DOES ANYONE OF YOU KNOW WHO STARTED THE CONCEPT OF "LIGHTING CANDLES FOR PEACE"......:? :?

Does it matter?

It's just a gesture. People are free to do it if they wish. No one is saying we should light a candle instead of praying.

A lot of these 'yes, but do you know who CAME UP with this concept?! PAGANS!' arguments are tiring. It's like saying, 'hey, nice car, man', and then some guy goes, 'yes, but do you know who INVENTED cars?! A NON-MUSLIM!'

 

[SirZubair]

he did indeed pray for them to be guided, but he also prayed for their destruction. i acknowledge both facts, do you?

How about you pray for peace and guidance first, and destruction later? You speak of The Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed s.a.w all the time, how about you do what he would have done, how about you pray that the Misguided are Guided?

Or will that take up too much of your precious time?

As for wether i acknowledge both facts, i can (so far) only acknowledge the one i have pointed out.

If you could please provide me with some Info of when Prophet Muhammed cursed his enemies and prayed for their destruction (and please, no Shaykh Bin Baz Articles..), i would appreciate it.

 

[SirZubair]

Does it matter?

It's just a gesture. People are free to do it if they wish. No one is saying we should light a candle instead of praying.

A lot of these 'yes, but do you know who CAME UP with this concept?! PAGANS!' arguments are tiring. It's like saying, 'hey, nice car, man', and then some guy goes, 'yes, but do you know who INVENTED cars?! A NON-MUSLIM!'

...Good point.

How many people here drive Cars to the Mosque for prayers?

Aud'billah !

Come on brothers ! Buy yourselves a Camel ! Cars are bid'ah! especially if you are going to drive it to a mosque! WHAT? Your local mosque even has a CAR-park? Subhan'allah! Go slaughter the board-members! They're hypocrites... :uuh: :exhausted

 

[Isaac]

Brother zubair, your point about being a salafi and organising an army to fight the kuffar i did not understand. I am not what today peopel call salafi and give names to. But the issue of jihad is something which is automaticaaly seen as a salfi motion. Brother muhammed pbuh organsied armies to fight the kuffar, so there is nothing salfi or wht people in fact mean extreme about that. Brother jiahd if done in accordance to the sharia is just as beautiful as praying 2 rakat nawafil, but much more rewarding. People forget the true blessings of conducting jihad and its benefits, yet assoicicate it in a negative way. I am not an extremist or a salfi, because when people mean salafi today, they are ignorant and use the term to mean extremist, which may be has reaosns within the moevenennt. I am not extreme, but i am not against jihad, as jihad is just as part of islam as is fasting.

 

[aamirsaab]

Why are people dropping the B-Bomb? Of all the things bidah, you guys pick an e-candle.

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

Peace and Religion
By Maulana Wahiduddin Khan




`Don't wish for confrontation with your enemy, instead always ask
for peace from God.'

That is, even when they have enemies, Muslims are not allowed to
take the course of confrontation. They must rather seek the way of
avoidance. The Qur'an further states that if you deal with your
enemy positively and return good for evil, he will become your
closest friend (41:34). These references from the Qur'an and Sunnah
make it clear that peace is the greatest concern of Islam. The
Islamic method is a peaceful method. Islamic activism is a peaceful
activism. There is no doubt about it that Islam is a religion of
peace in the complete sense of the word.

Why does Islam lay such great stress on peace? The reason is
obvious: all the good things which Islam wants to see in human life
can be brought about only in a peaceful environment. For instance,
constructive activities such as spiritual uplift, character
building, educational activity, social welfare, worship and prayer—
all of these can be performed only in peaceful conditions. In fact,
no peace, no progress; no peace, no development.

Peace is thus the central point of Islamic living; in this world as
well as in the life hereafter. According to Islam, a peaceful life
is the ideal life in both worlds. Some people portray Islam as a
religion of violence by using the word Jihad. They say that Jihad in
Islam is a holy war. In fact, there is no concept of holy war in
Islam. Jihad has nothing to do with war or violence. Jihad actually
means struggle, that is, peaceful struggle. This is clear from this
verse of the Qur'an: `And make Jihad on them, with the help of the
Qur'an' (25:52). There is no verse in the Qur'an which says: And
make jihad on them with the help of the sword. This shows clearly
that Jihad is an act to be performed by the power of ideology rather
than the power of the sword. In fact, Islamic activism is a peaceful
activism. Thus Jihad is only another name for peaceful activism on
Islamic lines.

Let's take another example. There is a verse which
reads: `Reconciliation is the best.' We learn from this verse that,
according to the Qur'an, the best policy is one of reconciliation
(4:128). When there is a conflict between two individuals or two
groups, Muslims ought to follow the course of reconciliation. In
controversial matters, the policy of Islam is one of adjustment and
not of confrontation.According to the Qur'an, God has promised the
highest reward for those who practice patience. Why has the Qur'an
laid such great stress on patience, known as Sabr in Arabic? The
reason is that sabr, or patience, is the only bedrock for the
establishment of peace.As we all know, social life is full of
unpleasant situations. Everything depends on responses. In such
circumstances a negative response will result in breakdown, whereas
a positive response will lead toward peace. Hence patience is the
price that has to be paid for the achievement of peace.



Maulana Wahiduddin Khan
President,
The Islamic Centre1, Nizamuddin West Market, New Delhi-110 013

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

A lot of these 'yes, but do you know who CAME UP with this concept?! PAGANS!' arguments are tiring. It's like saying, 'hey, nice car, man', and then some guy goes, 'yes, but do you know who INVENTED cars?! A NON-MUSLIM!'

Hello brother ,

I THINK "LIGHTING A CANDLE" IS RELATED TO BELIEF....... "DRIVING A CAR" IS NOT RELATED TO SUCH A THING.......

I DIDINT MENTION THAT THE "CANDLE MANUFACTURING COMPANY"
IS A MUSLIM COMPANY OR ITS A NON MUSLIM.......

YOUR EXAMPLE IS ODD.... AND WHY ARE YOU PULLIN "NON - MUSLIM"
TOPIC HERE..

 

[Muezzin]

Thing is, 'lighting a candle', in the context of this thread, has nothing to do with belief.

I know brother Akulion well enough that he would never suggest Muslims give up prayer in favour of lighting a virtual candle. The spirit in which he started this thread was simply to allow people the opportunity to make a peaceful gesture. Please understand this, everyone, before throwing around accusations of innovation.

Really, the fact that we're getting all hot and bothered over a candle is quite ridiculous. Let's stop being this way.