Cardio vs Weight Lifting=Both?

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alcurad said:
running is good,
google HIIT, it looks something like this:
http://musclemedia.com/training/hiit_table.asp
hope it helps..
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Ya, I know, HIIT is a little different then just running though, HIIT is running as extreme speed, short distance, that's good for getting a heart pumping exercise. I am talking about HIIT combined with Endurance running, like doing a mile in 15 minutes, and then doing it 13 minutes, then doing a mile and half in like 17 mins.

TKTony said:
stamina and technique will always outdo a heavy strong man. Clover checkout Martial Edge Forum, it was started by a friend of mine called pete mills, its awesome and the biggest martial arts forum in europe
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Not in a street brawl usually, cause even if you dodge 2/3 the 1 that hits, cause pulverize you. I prefer fight forums based on either street fighting or Tai Chi, and I can't do Tai Chi right now.
 
Clover its all on thier bud, give it a go. they do interveiws with everyone. kfm, krav maga-which is israeli special forces training, it gives top tips for all fighting. I know what im talking about, i used to be a believer of fighting solves everything. Theres mma. anyway give it a whirl im sure u will get top advice
 
TKTony said:
Clover its all on thier bud, give it a go. they do interveiws with everyone. kfm, krav maga-which is israeli special forces training, it gives top tips for all fighting. I know what im talking about, i used to be a believer of fighting solves everything. Theres mma. anyway give it a whirl im sure u will get top advice
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Fighting doesn't solve everything, it doesn't even solve most things, it solves somethings. I know that, and I do fighting cause its a way to relieve stress and stop anxiety, and it's fun if you have rules.

MMA is really good for shows, but I am not a lover of a coach telling me what to do, I prefer to push myself.

~Edit~ I will go to that site, just to check it out.
 
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yes I know that now. well its up to you, all i know is i channeled my savage beast thru training, and of course you have to push yourself till u puke. but i found coaching brought out the things i would have never known about or had confidence to pull off, the few enemies i had made after becoming muslim leave me alone because of this ability. Anyway thought we could discuss a common interest there, peace.
 
first of all fat does not convert into muscle nor does heavy lifting mean more fat. fat and muscle are two entirely different things. when a person is already fat and he starts lifting hard he gains muscle underneath the subcutaneous layer of fat pushing it outward a bit more so it gives the illusion of getting fatter. second i would advise doing both heavy lifting to gain more muscle and try doing a high intensity cardio workout( meaning 2 minutes of as fast as you can run followed by 2 minutes of lower intensity alternating until you complete thirty minutes) in the morning before you eat it targets the fat abit more so you will lose fat without sacrificing muscle. also the only way to lose fat is to expend more calories than you take in having a calorie deficit but not too much as it will cause you to lose muscle as well. there are plenty of sites where you can calculate your caloric needs for the day based on your weight and body fat % and the ideal calorie deficit to lose fat is -200 to -300 calories per day any more than that and you will be sacrificing some muscle as well.
 
Clover said:
I fight cause I can.

Well, my main problem is, I haven't done much running in my entire life, and my lungs are very very weak. I get winded from doing a 20 minute brisk walk (this equals a mile usually), but then again, in a fight endurance rarely wins cause fights are usually short, but I am wanting to get healthy, not just fight anymore.

I am going to do this low-carb and low-sugar diet, cause it is a good idea. I just want to get my BF% down a lot. I am going to make sure I do avoid the following permanently:

-Fast Food
-Soft Drinks (I might still do this for the first week or two, but I will eventually get through my Mountain Dew Addiction, and ya I am really addicted, I plan on starting a thing where you drink a gallon of water a day, and work it up to 3 gallons a day, it's a thing I heard that really kicks your Metabolism up, and has no sugar).
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Fighting as sport is one thing, and good but street fighting is to be avoided.

As for running, I recommend that you set yourself a distance say 3 miles (if you can hardly run at all then a mile and a half is good beginners distance)and start by running for one minute and brisk walking for the next, running for the next until you have completed the distance. Same again for the next run, start at 2 runs a week for the first two weeks and then increase to 3 a week for three weeks and then if you wish 4 a week.

The second week run for a minute and a half and brisk walk a minute, repeated until you complete the distance. The third week run a minute and a half and walk for half a minute. The fourth week run a minute and three quarters and walk 15 seconds. The fifth week run the whole lot.

The sixth week extend the distance for two of the four runs and run them at an even pace. The other two reduce the distance and sprint 30 seconds then jog 30 seconds.

Obviously all this depends on your level of fitness but it gives you a rule of thumb and a pattern to build on.
 
Clover said:
I am a weight lifter (if you want my stats, look at the end of the topic). I am overweight, and I am about to give up most of my weight lifting, for straight cardio. Biking, Swimming, and Running/Walking, being the major norm. I do eat un-healthy, but I am working on that, and I know I will see results, even if I don't eat healthy, cause I haev nearly all my life never done a serious workout, or been active. I work on my farm, but that isn't really hard work, it's tedious, but easy after a while.

My goal is to go from 204 (last I checked) to 165. Ya, major drop, but that's a long term goal. I am wanting to really, just get my BF done a lot, cause I wouldn't mind being 204 with a body fat of like 16%.

My main things about health to do are: Lower calories around 1,200-800. Decrease meat consumption by 1/2, and Increase my Vegetable/Fruit intake by 3x.

Weight Lifting Stats:

Benchpress (Wide arm): 200 Max
Incline Bench Press (Wide Arm): 185 Max
Shoulder Press (Wide Arm): 120-130 Max
Back Shoulder Press (Wide Arm): 110-120 Max
Legpress: 400 Max
Dumbell Curl Up: 40 Max
Dumbell Press: 55 Max

I have done others, but them are my main.
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I have been lifting weights for about 4 years now. You do not need to do crazy amounts of cardio to lose weight. The best solution is to lift weights and have a calorie deficit. You should be consuming 2200 calories a day all of it should be from healthy food. You will drop about 10-15 pounds a month. But remeber once you hit 190 X 11 = New calorie deficit times your weight by 11 some suggest 10 but thats way to low. You will lose some strenght in the process but you can build muscle too. I use to be 5'11 195pounds 25% body fat. After, I lost my weight I was 5'11 153 pounds 5.25% body fat. Now I am 165 pounds 5% body fat. I want to be 170 with 5% bf then I will just maintain it. There are way too many crazy people on the net. They will say things like you can gain 50pounds of muscle in 3 months its all lies. Thats possible you can gain weight but its mostly FAT. After, you lose your weight dont go on crazy 4000 Calories bulk up phase. Its better to start by 15X your body weight then if you dont gain any weight add 500 more calories. When I was 5'11 155pounds i had a V shape. You dont need to be 250 pounds to look big. Remeber if you do too much cardio you will lose muscle its better to do 3X to 4 X a week then after you reach your goal weight drop your cardio to 2X or and skip some weeks without any cardio. Weight lifting is the way to go CIRCUIT training.
 
Thanks for the info. I am wanting to just get my BF% down, I am fine with staying at 204 if I can get my BF% down to like 10-15%.
 
Those of you who are planning on taking supplments the only thing that helped me alot gaining muscle was 50g protein shake I been on a low fat high protein diet for awhile. Its seems to help me maintain my body fat and gain muscle mass.
 
Clover said:
Thanks for the info. I am wanting to just get my BF% down, I am fine with staying at 204 if I can get my BF% down to like 10-15%.
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Sorry bro not possible. You need to lose weight in order to lose body fat. The method you are taking about may take you months to lose and gain. I personally would suggest just lose the fat then have a new start. How tall are you anyways?
 
AbdullahSyed said:
Sorry bro not possible. You need to lose weight in order to lose body fat. The method you are taking about may take you months to lose and gain. I personally would suggest just lose the fat then have a new start. How tall are you anyways?
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I am saying, I do no care being this big in weight, if I could be down in BF%, I'd love to lose weight, just saying.

5"6-5"8. Shorted man in my family :(
 
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Losing fat is a much accomplishment which only a few accomplish. To lose fat you should cut eating upto hafl. And buy a thread mill or run daily around a park. Keep a list of your time in one lap and after a few weeks compare you statistics of your first run to your present one.
 
Yanal said:
What do you want? Lose weight or get stronger?
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Losing fat does not mean you become weaker. Losing fat actually makes you stronger and makes you look bigger. I know guys big guys who have huge amounts of body fat and they are lifting the same weight as me and some of them are lifting less then me. They just look big because they got so much fat covering them. But when they look big they look nasty big.
 
^ I just simply asked a question not determining or stating that losing fat causes you to be weak in is vice verca because losing fat gives stamina which supports you through every work out to get in shape.
 
Clover said:
Lose Fat, I want to get to 160 and just stay there and keep cutting my BF% back.
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At height 5'8 you would have to go down to atleast 140 bring your body fat level to 7-10% 16% is still way to high. Remeber losing weight you need to have calorie deficit and work out with weights more often this way you will have big muscles after you lose weight. Remeber when lifting weight life BIG not that loser kind of weight you need to lift BIG 6-8 reps per set. When I first started I use to work out 1hr and 30 mins a day. Hour for weight lifting and 30 mins for running. Then, after I lost all my weight within couple months I lost 37 pounds majority being fat. Remeber your diet should be high protein low fat. You need to also remeber one more thing "Guys like big guys, girls like underwear models. Who you trying to impress?" I see guys that lose way to much weight that does not look good either try to keep yourself in moderation. Your aim should be to reach 140 then gain 15 pounds of pure lean muscle which will take you to 155 then you will look big and ripped. Not fat and muscular or skinny and ripped.
 
Yanal said:
^ I just simply asked a question not determining or stating that losing fat causes you to be weak in is vice verca because losing fat gives stamina which supports you through every work out to get in shape.
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Majority of the guys have the thinking that fat means big I thought your were implying the same thing. My apologies.
 
Well, my main problem is, I haven't done much running in my entire life, and my lungs are very very weak. I get winded from doing a 20 minute brisk walk (this equals a mile usually), but then again, in a fight endurance rarely wins cause fights are usually short, but I am wanting to get healthy, not just fight anymore.
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Learn to control your breathing. Inhale through your nose and exhale through your mouth, that's what I do and it makes a BIG difference, and slow down when necessary. You have to maintain a pulse range depending on what your burning zone is, so running harder and faster doesn't necessarily mean it would be better, you could tire yourself out very badly, so just take it easy and as long as you put forth the effort, you'll see the increase in your lungs' tolerance.
 
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