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Suomipoika said:
You must have missed alot of posts in various danish cartoon threads.
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you dont seem to realise the difference between a criticism and a direct attack/insult, an intentional provocation, a test of another nations patience by pressing the hugest red button in sight.


please give a better example
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
you dont seem to realise the difference between a criticism and a direct attack/insult, an intentional provocation, a test of another nations patience by pressing the hugest red button in sight.


please give a better example
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Except that they were never intented as direct attack/insult, people just took them that way, rather valid criticism in danish society.

I think its a perfect example considering the often hurtful and insulting nature of criticism towards for example, gays, western women and society.
 
Suomipoika said:
Except that they were never intented as direct attack/insult, people just took them that way, rather valid criticism in danish society.

I think its a perfect example considering the often hurtful and insulting nature of criticism towards for example, gays, western women and society.
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the criticism towards gay people is done by everyone, why isolate islam to it.

as for the intention, it was very clear. There are certain manners in criticism, a disturbing and insulting cartoon isnt required.

it doesnt take much to realise that !
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
the criticism towards gay people is done by everyone, why isolate islam to it.
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I dont. However Ive seen pretty heavy criticism on this forum about gay people aswell, along the other things I mentioned.

as for the intention, it was very clear. There are certain manners in criticism, a disturbing and insulting cartoon isnt required.

it doesnt take much to realise that !
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There are plenty of criticism that is overboard, offensive and insulting and not really required. Some of it is done by religious people aswell. Which is why I think the cartoon posted by Whatsthepoint does have a point due to the fact, that even on this forum we have seen opinions that think that religion and religious people should be above insulting.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
its actually quite a good point sis,

his showing how cartoons are not only used to insult islaam, but also used as propaganda to make the true culprits look innocent and the victims look evil.


:thumbs_up thanks for bringing in here whats not appreciated whatsthepoint
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Lol, that's not quite it. As much as I agree with what you've written, that's not what the cartoon is about.
Suomipoika basically got it. Religious people are allowed to say anything about everything that crosses their minds, let it be baby-killers, fags, the unsaved (these are not the woeds I'd use) and god knows what else. when someone either opposes them or even worse, says omething bad about them or, god forbid, draws a cartoon, they get all fussy, start screaming about discrimination, hatred, their relifious freedoms being persecuted etc.
I do not think religious opinion should hold any greater value than any other opinion. I don't thing religious feelings should be protected more than other feelings. I don't think religions (nor anyone else) should be protected from insult or mockery.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
the criticism towards gay people is done by everyone, why isolate islam to it.
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Nobody does that. Islam is by no means the only religions er to inspire blasphemic cartoons, I'd say very few are made to mock Islam, most make fun of Christianity. It's just that muslims er...make more fuss about it than the rest of the population.:-[:D
 
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^ Nope. Muslims are people that take their religion seriously.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Yes, quite a lot of them do, but that doesn't mean the non-muslim world should submit and change itself and its basic values in order to please them.
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we only go against the immoral/vile practises. We will go against nothing of a decent nature and i challenge you to prove me otherwise.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
lol i dont even need to reply to this, you've done it yourself.
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Do you think religions should be protected from insult? do you think everyone should be protected from insult? If only religions, why the double standards? If everyone, how do you feel about imams being eprsecuted for saying bad things about jews, women, homosexuals etc?
 
When a person does something to offend someone who is your loved one like wife and husband you stand up to them in the same way the mulims love Muhamammad(salallahualayhi wasalam) very dearly because of all the trials and tribulations he went through in just spreading the religion so that it could reach us.
This is way it affects us muslims when our prophet or our religion is insulted.

In world cup when Zidane headbutt Materazzi it was said he did it beacause Materazzi insulted his mother so Zidane lashed out. Thats what a person does when someone insults their loved one. I am not saying what he did was right just using it as an example to explain why muslims get so fired up when things like this happen. It's hard to control your emotions in situations like this.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
we only go against the immoral/vile practises. We will go against nothing of a decent nature and i challenge you to prove me otherwise.
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You go against what you perceive as immor/vile/undecent. I see no reason why the rest of the population should be prohibited from going against what they perceive as imoral/vile/undecent/worthy of maing a cartoon about it, do you?
 
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These discussions keep going round and round in circles... *sigh*
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Do you think religions should be protected from insult? do you think everyone should be protected from insult? If only religions, why the double standards?
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ive already explained that theres a difference between insults and raising a point. If the people do not like something let them make it known in a good manner. Why provoke anyone at all?! Why? The masses of muslims do not support the injustices you may see in the name of islaam, and that is the truth.

Disagree?

If everyone, how do you feel about imams being eprsecuted for saying bad things about jews, women, homosexuals etc?
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they can state facts without insulting. If we believe gays will go to hell we will make it known, if we believe the zionists are evil we will make it known, i dont know where your going with women though.

but we wont stoop to the immature behaviour seen within the cartoons, thats for sure.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
You go against what you perceive as immor/vile/undecent. I see no reason why the rest of the population should be prohibited from going against what they perceive as imoral/vile/undecent/worthy of maing a cartoon about it, do you?
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i see you havent accepted the challenge, case closed :D
 
muslima1 said:
When a person does something to offend someone who is your loved one like wife and husband you stand up to them in the same way the mulims love Muhamammad(salallahualayhi wasalam) very dearly because of all the trials and tribulations he went through in just spreading the religion so that it could reach us.
This is way it affects us muslims when our prophet or our religion is insulted.

In world cup when Zidane headbutt Materazzi it was said he did it beacause Materazzi insulted his mother so Zidane lashed out. Thats what a person does when someone insults their loved one. I am not saying what he did was right just using it as an example to explain why muslims get so fired up when things like this happen. It's hard to control your emotions in situations like this.
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Yes, I can imagine you feel aweful, but that's no excuse for doing what has been done. the protstors should have controled themselves.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
ive already explained that theres a difference between insults and raising a point. If the people do not like something let them make it known in a good manner. Why provoke anyone at all?! Why? The masses of muslims do not support the injustices you may see in the name of islaam, and that is the truth.

Disagree?



they can state facts without insulting. If we believe gays will go to hell we will make it known, if we believe the zionists are evil we will make it known, i dont know where your going with women though.

but we wont stoop to the immature behaviour seen within the cartoons, thats for sure.
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I really don't know what you mean about women islam doesn't disgrace us women it teaches to treat us with respect.
 
muslima1 said:
I really don't know what you mean about women islam doesn't disgrace us women it teaches to treat us with respect.
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im confused as to why you quoted me sis lol, its whatsthepoint who made it sound like theres something wrong here not me



lol


Assalamu Alaikum
 

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