Cartoons in Europe, whats your opinion....

[aamirsaab]

Thank you for correcting me .

 

[HeiGou]

But media has showed you like 300 hundred different stories. Im not sure whether you watched 9/11 Conspircies it came on channel 4 last year and they showed almost 7 stories each with evidence. SO what do you believe happened on that day?

For some reason there seems to be a flood of consioracy theories these days. But I think the simplest explanation is likely to be the best and besides I saw OBL on TV saying what a great thing it was. And that he did it.

Certainly something has changed. 50, 40, 30 years ago there were no suicide bombers in the West or elsewhere. There are now. The British and American governments are the same. Israel is still there. Something has changed. I notice that the same period has seen a rise in Islamic assertion generally and that has a dangerous, if marginal, fringe. Which is more likely - the new thing is caused by the other new thing or by the old thing?

Do you think that this is the same for ALL the Suicide Bombings.

Well the Tamils have suicide bombing and that is motivated by politics. So in general, I think all suicide bombings are motivated by radical politics of one sort or another.

What made you changed your mind?

The failure to find WMD.

Why do you feel that America never started this was on Terror in countries like Israel, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordon,??????????

Pakistan is odd because obviously America is pursuing terrorists and the states that back them. Pakistan is obviously not entirely blameless in that respect. Israel only brutalises Palestinians. Saudi Arabia is co-operative and only brutalises Saudis and guest workers. Jordan is blameless. Afghanistan was not. There is no other reason for the US to be there. It is remote. It is poor and strategically useless. It has no oil. Iraq was unfinished business and whether Bush was right or wrong, no one is going to miss Saddam.

You beileve that war which has cost Billions of pounds, Jepordised the reputation of Blair and Bush, Made enimies with other countries, Broke UN rules, Cost lives was all to remove Saddam?

Yes.

Nuclear Weapons!

I think there are people I would not like to see have nuclear weapons. And repressive non-democratic states with long histories of political instability and dangerous political leaders fall into that category. Whatever is wrong with Abu Ghraib, Erivan is much worse.

 

[Sis786]

For some reason there seems to be a flood of consioracy theories these days. But I think the simplest explanation is likely to be the best and besides I saw OBL on TV saying what a great thing it was. And that he did it..

Lol ok i will leave you to your thought. Just wondering i mean sorry i do have a wondering head. When the Americans were bombing all these places in Afghansitan and killing hundreds of people SUPRINSGLY vidoe footage of OBL and paperwork saying "Oh yes 9/11 i did that" were untouched. Sorry do ignore my wondering mind!

Certainly something has changed. 50, 40, 30 years ago there were no suicide bombers in the West or elsewhere. There are now. The British and American governments are the same. Israel is still there. Something has changed. I notice that the same period has seen a rise in Islamic assertion generally and that has a dangerous, if marginal, fringe. Which is more likely - the new thing is caused by the other new thing or by the old thing?.

Ok, Muslims been around for ages. Yeah OBL is what like almost 50 years old. BUT it was ONLY until BUSH came in power that OBL decided to KILL loads of Americans and it was ONLY when BUSH came to power that SADDAM became fore evil that the world could not bear. Ever thought WHY suicde bombings werent popular before 9/11? I mean evil existed then too... :?

The failure to find WMD..

Lol were you expecting them to find some.LOL OF COURSE there werent no WMD why u think thye never allow the UN to do the checks... My son there is something called OIL and it makes GREEDy PEOPLE EVIL and thats what happened.

Israel only brutalises Palestinians. .

B*******

Saudi Arabia is co-operative and only brutalises Saudis and guest workers. .

Nope Saudi have Oil and again gives POWER! to people

Jordan is blameless. .

Werent they also hosting Terroists

Afghanistan was not. .

Lol yeah i mean what right did the Taliban have for asking Bush for evidence against OBL before handing him over I MEAN THE NERVE.

There is no other reason for the US to be there..

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

It is remote. It is poor and strategically useless. .

Hmmm not to Bush he has OTHER plans!

It has no oil. Iraq was unfinished business and whether Bush was right or wrong, no one is going to miss Saddam..

Nope BUT no one is welcoming Bush niether

Yes. .

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

I think there are people I would not like to see have nuclear weapons. And repressive non-democratic states with long histories of political instability and dangerous political leaders fall into that category. Whatever is wrong with Abu Ghraib, Erivan is much worse.

Every country has the right to defend itself and lets say If i was Iran i would not be sleeping soundly with the New neighbours and that

 

[wysiwyg]

I would say HeiGou is one who is on the "marginal fringe" of extreme thinking in support of what the Bush Administration is doing. it takes one marginal fringe to inflame another, and HeiGou would be in the same company as OBL.

There is a conspiracy theory that says that OBL purposely chose Saudi nationals to be prominent amongst the 9/11 bombers to make Saudi Arabia look bad. The reality is that OBL himself came from Saudi, which is the center of the most extreme form of Islam and is the source of greatest hostility because it is a dictatorship run by the Saud family with the military and economic support of the US for the sake of protecting the oil fields.

So long as there are Americans around with the same attitude as HeiGou then we are going to have a situation...

 

[HeiGou]

I would say HeiGou is one who is on the "marginal fringe" of extreme thinking in support of what the Bush Administration is doing. it takes one marginal fringe to inflame another, and HeiGou would be in the same company as OBL.

Well I rather like being on the marginal fringe, but what it is you think I have said that makes you put me on the fringe? And exactly how does hoping the Iraq mess works out equate to murdering 3000 people?

So long as there are Americans around with the same attitude as HeiGou then we are going to have a situation...

So the Americans are to blame for 9-11 are they?

 

[HeiGou]

Ok, Muslims been around for ages. Yeah OBL is what like almost 50 years old. BUT it was ONLY until BUSH came in power that OBL decided to KILL loads of Americans and it was ONLY when BUSH came to power that SADDAM became fore evil that the world could not bear. Ever thought WHY suicde bombings werent popular before 9/11? I mean evil existed then too... :?

It was only once GWB was in power that OBL managed to kill loads of Americans. He had been trying to years before. Remember the first attempt on the World Trade Center!

Actually it was when George Bush Senior came to power that Saddam got in trouble.

Suicide bombings were popular before 9-11 in certain communities. Look at Israel. Look at Lebanon. What 9-11 clearly has done is radicalised a whole group of Western Muslims and brought that sort of terror to the West. Can't think why that might be. Remember that they murdered Ahmad Shah Masoud before 9-11 - Western Muslims who were suicide bombers.

Lol were you expecting them to find some.LOL OF COURSE there werent no WMD why u think thye never allow the UN to do the checks... My son there is something called OIL and it makes GREEDy PEOPLE EVIL and thats what happened.

I did not expect much but I expected some, so it was a little bit of a surprise. They allowed the UN to do checks. For years they allowed the UN to do checks. But Saddam evaded those checks. Whatever else you can say about Bush, he brought the problem to and end. He resolved the whole issue with inspections and sanctions.

Werent they also hosting Terroists

Not as far as I know but I know little about the subject.

Lol yeah i mean what right did the Taliban have for asking Bush for evidence against OBL before handing him over I MEAN THE NERVE.

Although they also said they would not hand him over to kafirs but would to Saudi. In normal times they might have got away with that, but America is a powerful country and it was angry. Co-operation was the only viable policy and the Taliban opted not to.

Nope BUT no one is welcoming Bush niether

I am not sure that is entirely true. People did. But the Americans blew it with their incompetence and arrogance. But there is still a certain level of support. Afghanistan is the odd case because there is clearly a lot of support there still.

Every country has the right to defend itself and lets say If i was Iran i would not be sleeping soundly with the New neighbours and that

Last I checked no one was invading Iran. I agree in general. If I were Iran I would be nervous too. But an invasion is not likely. Even if it was, there is a treaty there, to which Iran is a signatory, designed to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons. I do not think Iran shoudl break that. But if I were Iranian I would want nuclear weapons too.