Changing essence of Makkah

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What do you mean by praying by the graves? And who worships graves apart from the illeterate. Instead of demolishing anything or everything that in someway or another CAN lead to shirk, why not educate the people. People commit shrik at the blessed grave of our Nabi [saw], what do you suggest we do there? That is a raised grave, people pray beside that grave, but that is one grave that Allah has protected and will protect until the end of time.

Yes may Allah protect and and assist those that aim to prevent bid'a and shirk. And May Allah protect the harmains from the evil inetntions of those that aim to exploit that which Allah has ordained on all that are able and keep it free from the bid'a of dividing the hajis into rich and poor.
 
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actually a lot of people worship graves and further more think it is part of islam. educating is fine, do these people listen? they do the type of things these articles have done. know what that is?
oh its you Wa-ha-bi extremists saying all this. blah blah blah.
for the grave of Muhammed :arabic5: they have people there trying to prevent it as much as possible. of course they arent going to do anything there just like they havent done anything in al Baqi.
 
omg that outrageous! i cant believe that they will actually do something like that. mecca is our hearts, is everything to us muslims. i would not support this at all. and to think that starbucks helps support the israeli miltary. NO MORE STARBUCKS FOR ME!
 
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I think some people need to remind themselves of the time when Umar r.a. cut down the tree of Hudaiybiyyah (which is even mentioned in the Qur'an) when some people started trying to seek Barakah from it and when they took it as a place of worship. Educate the people AND cut down the paths to shirk.

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What do you mean by praying by the graves? And who worships graves apart from the illeterate. Instead of demolishing anything or everything that in someway or another CAN lead to shirk, why not educate the people. People commit shrik at the blessed grave of our Nabi [saw], what do you suggest we do there? That is a raised grave, people pray beside that grave, but that is one grave that Allah has protected and will protect until the end of time.
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Actually I can confirm that it is completly flat Alhamdullilah. The pictures circling on the internet are false.
 
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Isaac, thanks for posting that whatchamacallit. So sad.

All these things that are happening in Makkah...You'd think the Americans got to it. The non-Muslim Americans. It's disgraceful. Demolishing historically important sites, mosques, and graves doesn't even get a raised eyebrow. I thought that the clergy in Saudi Arabia was the top government. If it is, why is it letting these things happen?
 
I don't know what these demolishers think gives them the right to destroy a heritage that belongs to all Muslims. They don't own it.
 
i've wondered about this for a long time. why isn't there a huge outcry from world muslims - do most not know about this?
the saudi government does not own these sites - they belong to the "ummah", past, present and future.
to destroy something on the pretext that shirk may be done there is about as rational as doing away with teaspoons because some use them for heroin.
 
It's true that some people take 'respecting historical sites' to the unacceptable level of 'worshipping at historical sites as if they are shrines'. However, this does not, in my eyes, justifiy utterly destroying said historical sites.

Also, building a Las Vegas-style hotel that overshadows the Kaaba is disgusting.
 
I don't like the starbucks idea and making Makkah into a whole shopping mall idea. But i do agree with the fact that it is a muslims duty to flatten the graves of those whose graves are raised over a handspan as stated in Sahih Muslim to Ali ibn Abi Talib.

The reasons for this is because the christians and jews fell into the same mistake of building places of worship over their pious peoples' graves, and then they would invoke them instead of Allaah who should be worshipped Alone. [Laa illaaha illaahu - there is none worthy of worship except He.] And dua' (supplication/invoking) should be done only to Him Alone as this is the core of worship. And Allaah knows best.
 
Isn't it obvious?
remember the hadeeth of the prophet (saw) when he said that
a time will come when the enemies of Islam will invite eachother to attack the ummah as if inviting eachother to a meal

when the companions (ra) asked if this would be because of the muslims being small in number at that time they were told- no, but in fact the muslims will be large in number but-

they will fear death and have the love of this world in their hearts

(those aren't the exact words of the hadeeth but that is the jist)

the kaaba is being surrounded by 'worldly' things to distract the pilgrims from worship?

this isn't the first time the 'dunya' has been used by the enemies of the Muslims to defeat them
only, in the past they were too strong in their faith so it didn't work but for the weak ones

but when they did finally leave the Quran and Islam and got too involved in the dunya look what happened to them

look at the state we're in today, I mean some of us don't even pray never mind anything else...

May Allah Guide us, and unite us on His true path...amiin
 
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oh to add to this :)

Makkah to Get World’s Tallest Clock Tower

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Brother Isaac, we can't contradict what the Messenger of Allaah himself said - especially since it's authentic and in saheeh Muslim. :) If you want, i'll try searching for the full hadith which is said by Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allaah be pleased with him) himself.
 
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I found this really interesting article on the topic of raised graves, which just makes it sound even more confusing.

http://www.***********/fiqh/domes_on_graves.htm
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The only confusing thing I can find is that it's a censored link...>.<

What do you say to get yourself censored in every post? :omg:

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Brother Isaac, we can't contradict what the Messenger of Allaah himself said - especially since it's authentic and in saheeh Muslim. :)
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Can you see words where I see >*< them thingehs?
 
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I really dont get why that site was censored. Either the mods have been working overtime and just censor anyting that begins with the letter s or what not.

Ill try again http://www.***********/fiqh/domes_on_graves.htm.

WHATS so difficult its only got the word sunnah in it! thats ***********. Its like fill in the missing word on this forum. The mods need to take a break!
 
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its censored because this website doesnt want to promote sufi websites i guess?
 
MashAllah. Talk about unity. So what does this forum promote or what jamat does it follow? Brother is it because the sheikh in mention is sufi orientated?
 

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