Channel 4's 'Undercover Mosque' returns

[Amadeus85]

Re: Undercover Mosque: The Return

Im sorry Osman, but this is like second thread about same topic posted by You .

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: Undercover Mosque: The Return

return of the goo

 

[Uthman]

Re: Undercover Mosque: The Return

Im sorry Osman, but this is like second thread about same topic posted by You .

Lol sorry. :-[ This is the info from the channel 4 site. Besides not everybody visits the WA section and the other one was just an article about it from a newspaper site.

 

[Muezzin]

Threads merged.

 

[Fazl Ahmad]

Assalamu alaikum

I think it is very sad that British government and media does not trust the Muslim community and feels it is necessary to spy on us in our masajid, recording religious sermons and broadcasting them to the general public. Something is very wrong with that. British society prides itself on being secular, where all religions are equal and government does not interfere in other peoples religion. Yet, the British government is doing the exact opposite of that, setting up task forces and funding groups to try and change Islamic education. This is not just exclusive to Britain, all over Europe Muslims are being forced to assimilate into western society against their will.

 

[Thinker]

Assalamu alaikum

I think it is very sad that British government and media does not trust the Muslim community and feels it is necessary to spy on us in our masajid, recording religious sermons and broadcasting them to the general public. Something is very wrong with that. British society prides itself on being secular, where all religions are equal and government does not interfere in other peoples religion. Yet, the British government is doing the exact opposite of that, setting up task forces and funding groups to try and change Islamic education. This is not just exclusive to Britain, all over Europe Muslims are being forced to assimilate into western society against their will.

Daily Mail – Sunday 31st August . . . .

Dispatches returned to Regent’s Park mosque to find exactly the same extremist books on sale there and female preachers spreading radical ******* Islam. For apostates “what are we going to do? We kill him, kill, kill; for women adulterers – stoning to death.

The man in charge of the mosque, Dr Ahmed Al Dubayan, is the Islamic Affairs attaché to the Saudi Embassy.

Never have been in a mosque here are my questions:

1. Knowing that Dr Ahmed Al Dubayan, is the Islamic Affairs attaché to the Saudy Embassy and the connotations that must bring with it, why does the congregation allow such a man to be ‘in charge?’

2. Why haven’t the 99% of Muslims who are moderate and believe Islam preaches peace and tolerance (a) stopped extremist literature being sold in the mosque (b) confronted and ejected the speakers preaching hatred and violence and (c) reported those matters to the police?

3. Is this forum backed by Saudi money or in any other way influence by Saudi Arabia?

 

[Thinker]

Hmmm in the above post quoting from the Daily Mail I wrote radical w a h h a b i Islam and the system has replaced the 'w' word with asterisks - why is that?

 

[doorster]

better put these questions to Brown, Bush and co, for it is their proxy/puppet who runs Saudi Arabia and its Embassies

 

[Uthman]

Greetings Thinker,

1. Knowing that Dr Ahmed Al Dubayan, is the Islamic Affairs attaché to the Saudy Embassy and the connotations that must bring with it, why does the congregation allow such a man to be ‘in charge?’

What are these connotations?

2. Why haven’t the 99% of Muslims who are moderate and believe Islam preaches peace and tolerance (a) stopped extremist literature being sold in the mosque (b) confronted and ejected the speakers preaching hatred and violence and (c) reported those matters to the police?

I can't possibly know for sure. If there are speakers who incite racial hatred and/or violence then I agree that they probably should be confonted. I have to admit though, that if I experienced so-called 'extreme' preaching in my local mosque, I would probably ignore it and discuss it with my peers.

I wonder why Dispatches doesn't interview these speakers. After the last programme many speakers claimed that their comments were taken out of context. Surely a proper, unedited interview would ascertain whether there is any basis to them claims or not. There is a need for openness and dialogue. Going inside a mosque undercover isn't sending out a positive message to the 99% of moderate Muslims out there. It shows a lack of trust on their part and the Muslim community can end up feeling more alienated than ever before.

3. Is this forum backed by Saudi money or in any other way influence by Saudi Arabia?

No.

Regards

 

[Uthman]

Hmmm in the above post quoting from the Daily Mail I wrote radical w a h h a b i Islam and the system has replaced the 'w' word with asterisks - why is that?

It's an offensive word and one that is very much misused (like Jihad). See the wiki article on it.

Regards

 

[aamirsaab]

Just going to deal with point 2 and 3

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Never have been in a mosque here are my questions:

2. Why haven’t the 99% of Muslims who are moderate and believe Islam preaches peace and tolerance (a) stopped extremist literature being sold in the mosque (b) confronted and ejected the speakers preaching hatred and violence and (c) reported those matters to the police?

A) Erm, I don't think you realise how this information is spread. Also, do you know HOW difficult it is to stop (FREE) literature being spread out?

B) I believe certain imaams have. Most muslims that I know are educated enough to realise these so called scholars who preach intolerance and hatred, are talking out of their butts. However, in the cases to which I believe you are refferring to, the imaams of those mosques hold that view point so it would be difficult to ''topple'' them. Though, I should mention that in all the masjids I have been to (3 in my current residence, 1 in brummy and 1 in pakistan) none of which spoke of intolerance or hatred (though, the one time in pakistan doesn't count for much seeing as I didn't understand a word he was saying....this happened over a decade ago - I know I'm pretty smart, mashallah but even I have limits!)

C) They would if they knew them! The mosques don't work like the bloody fbi - you go to pray and learn about Islam in a mosque - the most hi-tech equipment you'll find in your local masjid is a £25 sub-woofer and mic combo! In other words: we don't neccessarily knows what goes on in the other mosques (which is why we VISIT them)

3. Is this forum backed by Saudi money or in any other way influence by Saudi Arabia?

LOL hahahahaha. No.

I really suggest that you visit a mosque and I actually find it rather baffling that for a man who has travelled around the world (according to your posts that is), you have yet to visit a mosque?! Whatever, just visit a mosque and ask your questions there - you'll get a better answer in person from the dudes that know.

 

[Uthman]

Most muslims that I know are educated enough to realise these so called scholars who preach intolerance and hatred, are talking out of their butts.

Good point, I was also thinking along the same lines. The Muslim community ain't stupid! The tiny percentage that do commit extremist actions don't do so as a result of some dodgy Friday sermons.

 

[Thinker]

Greetings Thinker,

What are these connotations?


Regards

Connotations – I think its generally accepted that the Saudi’s pursue a rather more extreme interpretation of the Qur’an and I thinks it generally accepted that they spend huge amounts of money promoting those views; it would consequently follow that if the man in charge of the mosque is being paid by the Saudi’s he’s likely to pursue the policies of his Saudi masters.

 

[Uthman]

I doubt I'll be watching it anyway. I'll be having my Iftar and going to the mosque for Salaat-ul-Maghrib.

 

[Thinker]

I really suggest that you visit a mosque and I actually find it rather baffling that for a man who has travelled around the world (according to your posts that is), you have yet to visit a mosque?!

I've been Mosques as a tourist visiting historically significant Mosques but even then only in the perimeters. I can't just walk into a Mosque on a Friday afternoon and sit there listening can I? Wouldn't I stick out like a sore thumb?

 

[Zafran]

salaam

well all the mosques i have been to and never have i heard "kill the kuffar" or anything carzy as that, Its always been about, respecting your parents, following the prophet of God, reading the salat prayers and fasting in the month of Ramadan.

 

[aamirsaab]

... I can't just walk into a Mosque on a Friday afternoon and sit there listening can I? Wouldn't I stick out like a sore thumb?

Actually, you can. But do ask (common courtesy).

Failing that, please visit either Masjid Umar or Masjid at taqwa in Leicester; the community in both of those mosques are rather awesome and welcoming.

 

[DAWUD_adnan]

When is this on tv?

 

[Uthman]

When is this on tv?

Tomorrow akhee.

 

[YusufNoor]

I've been Mosques as a tourist visiting historically significant Mosques but even then only in the perimeters. I can't just walk into a Mosque on a Friday afternoon and sit there listening can I? Wouldn't I stick out like a sore thumb?

the Masjid would be at it's fullest on Jummu'ah. why not go before Mahgrib [the sunset prayer] or after Asr [the late afternoon prayer], kick your shoes off and ask for some help. you will find, In Sha'a Allah, many brothers who would be willing to spend some time to educate you on Islam. my guess is that you will find that more productive than trying to find stuff out here.

btw, the only things that would make you stick out on Jummu'ah would be jewelry [a no-no for males], hair color [unless red/yellow/orange] and tattoos [cover 'em up!] because EVERY MALE Muslim, who health allows or is travelling, MUST attend, you get the "Blue Jeans Jammah" [those looking like westerners] and the Jummu'ah Muslims [those who only pray on Fridays]; thus, ALOT of Muslims WILL be in their best clothes, but MANY are only there because they have to be! these brother, May Allah[swt] guide them, dress whatever way they want!

also, Jummu'ah CAN be a "fire and brimstone" type session, but the best "kutbahs"[what the Jummu'ah sermons are called] are the ones aimed directly at us Muslims! the Kutbah's are for us to learn and benefit, NOT to condemn others [although some condemnation might be contained therein].

of interest perhaps, Khalid Yasin has been targeted by the "undercover" folks. i know Brother Khalid [though most here know him much better than i do] and he MIGHT seem rather, erm, radical and "anti-West", but that's a skewed picture. YES, he uses strong language to defend Islam, BUT the STRONGEST language i've ever seen him use [and he gets extra mic time whenever he's around] is ALWAYS directed at us Muslims! so much so, that some brothers have to be restrained [in a nice way :X] when he speaks! i know, for i've had to do a little "restraining' myself!