Charity - Christian Aid week

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I am sure they are not.. me being extra cautious, I cannot tell which is which, would rather stick with what I know.. I don't gamble!
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Fair enough, and I respect that.. but if you stick to only what you know, the story is always certain to be 1 sided my brother..

I don't know what Islamic charities do, but as a general rule I don't think you should offer religion in exchange for a full stomach.. It is just low!
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Your right in saying that, but... I just hope you dont think Christian led charities are responsible for this... its a global issue within all religious charities because from what you have said.. it seems awfully sad that people use that to make others convert... but know that Non Christian Religious based charities have possibly done this as well, Islamic ones being no exception my brother...

My personal experience with such charities, as I have been to countries like Tanzania, is that they bribe children as young as 6 or 7 with things like bicycles in exchange for a conversion...
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Your looking at the negative side of it.. =P Off Course these things occur in many countries accross the world all day every day, but I can also assure you that the majority of the charities who are not involved with such things deliver food and water, all working for the greater good...

indeed.. a far cry from Jesus peace be upon him, from what I know of modern christians!
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REALLY didnt get what you mean... could you ellborate?

Greetings-- I mean that christianity of today isn't what Jesus PBUH was preaching
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Your right to a very certain extent- Christianity was not even a Religion as Jesus was preaching to Jews... it only came to be many years after his ascension into heaven..

To me it is a form of Paganism, and Jesus PBUH was a monotheist worshipping the one God-- praying to the one God in the garden of Gethsemane-- not worshipping himself, not an archangel and not his mother
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He was monotheistic.. and on the terms of paganism and what not... you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else, God Bless you Bro.

I am not going to foster something no matter how well meaning that I believe to be wrong at the very nucleus...
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Fair enough.. thanks for sharing your opinion at least :) Peace be with you
 
ddz said:
Fair enough, and I respect that.. but if you stick to only what you know, the story is always certain to be 1 sided my brother..
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indeed.. for instance, you have made the assumption that I am a br. when in fact I am not.. it is human to neglect what might be very obvious?!


Your right in saying that, but... I just hope you dont think Christian led charities are responsible for this... its a global issue within all religious charities because from what you have said.. it seems awfully sad that people use that to make others convert... but know that Non Christian Religious based charities have possibly done this as well, Islamic ones being no exception my brother...
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As I said, I think it low to offer food for a conversion.. offering da3wa in Islam is/was never contingent on hypocrisy... I think you'd probably see it all over the news 'Muslims offering food for conversion' as the media really loves to milk it.. unlike for instance Evangelists who think they are so entitled to infiltrate people and change their belief system..

  • The Unreached Peoples Prayer Profiles
  • Maldives
  • The Republic of Maldives is made up of 1,200 coral islands, 202 of which are inhabited. Located 600 km. southwest of Sri Lanka, Maldives is grouped into 19 administrative groups. The entire country is less than two meters above sea level and thus, susceptible to the effects of global warming. Fishing and tourism are the significant industries.
  • Maldives has a long tradition of isolated independence. The nation was an independent British protectorate until 1965. It has been a non-party democratic republic since 1968.
  • Islam is the only recognized religion, and the government uses all its power to enforce allegiance to Islam and to forbid the importation of Christian materials. The Maldivians are among the least evangelized people on earth, as there are no Scriptures in their language and no Christian radio programs. There have never been any resident missionaries.
http://kcm.co.kr/bethany_eng/c_code/maldives.html


Your looking at the negative side of it.. =P Off Course these things occur in many countries accross the world all day every day, but I can also assure you that the majority of the charities who are not involved with such things deliver food and water, all working for the greater good...
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My views are not random but well founded, see previous!



REALLY didnt get what you mean... could you ellborate?
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Your right to a very certain extent- Christianity was not even a Religion as Jesus was preaching to Jews... it only came to be many years after his ascension into heaven..
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He was monotheistic.. and on the terms of paganism and what not... you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else, God Bless you Bro.
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I agree he was monotheistic, I never said otherwise, however I disagree that he was/is God... the fact that each of us holds a stance means that we already have our doubts about the other's point of view.. I mean you no harm by stating my beliefs!


Fair enough.. thanks for sharing your opinion at least :) Peace be with you
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and with you

cheers
 
indeed.. for instance, you have made the assumption that I am a br. when in fact I am not.. it is human to neglect what might be very obvious?!
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Whats a Br?! lool

As I said, I think it low to offer food for a conversion.. offering da3wa in Islam is/was never contingent on hypocrisy... I think you'd probably see it all over the news.. unlike for instance Evangelists who think they are so entitled to infiltrate people and change their belief system..

* The Unreached Peoples Prayer Profiles
* Maldives
* The Republic of Maldives is made up of 1,200 coral islands, 202 of which are inhabited. Located 600 km. southwest of Sri Lanka, Maldives is grouped into 19 administrative groups. The entire country is less than two meters above sea level and thus, susceptible to the effects of global warming. Fishing and tourism are the significant industries.
* Maldives has a long tradition of isolated independence. The nation was an independent British protectorate until 1965. It has been a non-party democratic republic since 1968.
* Islam is the only recognized religion, and the government uses all its power to enforce allegiance to Islam and to forbid the importation of Christian materials. The Maldivians are among the least evangelized people on earth, as there are no Scriptures in their language and no Christian radio programs. There have never been any resident missionaries.

http://kcm.co.kr/bethany_eng/c_code/maldives.html
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welp, good to know a country is taking good measures to protect their beleifs, but as previously said, I myself dont really trust evangelists.. but I can however say that always using this as an example will always put the overall bad mark on christians which is unfair in my opinion... just like an extremist muslim preaching his opinion- doesnt mean the whole of islam is based on just what his actions are..
 
ddz said:
Whats a Br?! lool
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A brother.. which I am not :D



welp, good to know a country is taking good measures to protect their beleifs, but as previously said, I myself dont really trust evangelists.. but I can however say that always using this as an example will always put the overall bad mark on christians which is unfair in my opinion... just like an extremist muslim preaching his opinion- doesnt mean the whole of islam is based on just what his actions are..
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I never argued that there are good christian charities, or cast doubt on the intent of some of them, I merely stated I stick with what I know, it is a matter of preference... chocolate ice cream has always been good and nice, but I personally prefer butterscotch...

So long as the money/food/clothes/meds get to folks who needs them, then whatever route you took is fine...

peace
 
A brother.. which I am not
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ahh dude! you know what I meant tho! lool obviously you aint my bro and im surre you kno I dont mean it in a literal sense, its jus outta respect ya kno?!
 
ddz said:
ahh dude! you know what I meant tho! lool obviously you aint my bro and im surre you kno I dont mean it in a literal sense, its jus outta respect ya kno?!
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No I mean I am a sister (in humanity)..

you are too funny

cheers
 
MustafaMc said:
How is http://christianaid.org.uk different from http://christianaid.org/Default.aspx ?

Christian Aid Mission
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We seek to establish a witness for our Lord Jesus among unreached people groups by assisting highly effective native missionaries in poorer countries who already know the languages and culture and are getting the job done for less cost.
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amazing isn't it? sob7an Allah.. put food in their belly and lead them astray... how disheartening and off putting!

Jazaka Allah khyran for sharing... I have seen first hand what they do in Africa so I am not surprised even if they advertise otherwise..

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Skye Ephémérine said:
amazing isn't it? sob7an Allah.. put food in their belly and lead them astray... how disheartening and off putting!
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I don't know that the organizations are related in any way as the one without "uk" ending is based out of Virginia, USA. The one that Glo will be promoting in England seems to be different as it has a political agenda in addition to being charitable.

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Christian Aid campaigns to change the rules and systems that keep people poor, speaking out on issues such as trade justice, climate change and Third World debt. It is a major member of the Trade Justice Movement and Make Poverty History campaigns.

I still find it hard to believe that a charitable organization with a religious affinity will not try to promote its own religion, particularly in an area where it is the minority.
 
In my opinion christian aid organizations shouldnt be in Iraq or Afghanistan nowadays as we have our forces there now. Its controversial.
About this giving food or clothes for conversion its simply bad, but I also heard that muslim charities do the same in Kenia(especially Nairobi slums) and Uganda.Those are exampes that i know from sources.
 
Aaron85 said:
About this giving food or clothes for conversion its simply bad, but I also heard that muslim charities do the same in Kenia(especially Nairobi slums) and Uganda.Those are exampes that i know from sources.
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I agree to withhold food from a needy person unless he converts to your religion does not seem to be in accordance with God's Will. Even the giving of water to a thirsty dog is seen as a charitable deed in Islam. Isn't giving food to a needy human, regardless of his religious inclination, an even more honorable charitable deed?

With that said, if I was a volunteer for Islamic Relief, I would probably give aid to anyone "In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Mercifu." Likewise, don't you think a Christian would say, "In the Name of Jesus, the Son of God" as he handed out a bag of rice?
 
People become Muslim because they want to, not because they are being forced to...Muslims offer help and relief when christians failed in Africa, and as a result, they come to Islam willingly. I don't think there is a worst time for Muslims, yet here it, the fastest growing religion.. see my previous post on the 6000 German converts..


Islam Attracting Many Survivors of Rwanda Genocide
Jihad Is Taught as 'Struggle to Heal'

By Emily Wax
Washington Foreign Post Service
Monday, September 23, 2002; Page A10
"I know people in America think Muslims are terrorists, but for Rwandans they were our freedom fighters during the genocide," said Jean Pierre Sagahutu, 37, a Tutsi who converted to Islam from Catholicism after his father and nine other members of his family were slaughtered. "I wanted to hide in a church, but that was the worst place to go. Instead, a Muslim family took me. They saved my life."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html
 
I am sorry to see that this thread is turning into an opportunity to slag of charities and/or religious groups.

As far as my original question goes, the thread has fulfilled its purpose, so I would be happy if the mods could close it.

Salaam :)
 
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