Chechen children being tested with chemical weapons

[جوري]

I have no idea what to make of the above, but, I am not going to sit here and validate your delusions of adequacy! We can get back to the original thread, or if it has reached the end of its value, then it should be a

 

[vpb]

It took the US to finally do something definitive. That the situation there is not perfect only shows the difficulty of unraveling a genocidal war half way through. Where were the great Muslim Armies to save the Bosnian Muslims? There weren't any. It fell to the US.

there were already some, also foriegn mujahideen, but how can you resist an army which is backed by Russia????
and of course US leaves itself till the end, so it can come and say "he're coming the papa to save you" .

US government and UN are the same thing. there are different as much as the color of my hands.

 

[vpb]

I have no idea what to make of the above, but, I am not going to sit here and validate your delusions of adequacy! We can get back to the original thread, or if it has reached the end of its value, then it should be a

yeah, it's like trying to argue with the wall, and telling it that you are painted in white.

 

[جوري]

The US wasn't at Srebenica. That is my point. That was a typically naive and weak UN mission. The Dutch troops just working under UN rules just handed over the Bosnian Muslims to be slaughtered by the Serbs.

It took the US to finally do something definitive. That the situation there is not perfect only shows the difficulty of unraveling a genocidal war half way through. Where were the great Muslim Armies to save the Bosnian Muslims? There weren't any. It fell to the US.

They were dismantled, I thought that whole point was to have a secular Muslim empire?... well here it is in all its glory. and that is the outcome. Spare me the BS about U.S. or British beneficence. Just get out.. take your boys out before they lose their head and buzz off! Things would actually be a little less bad without further foreign meddling. You really need to get over the delusions that you are the good guys!

 

[vpb]

the pictures of the dissapeard bodies are whitened from the sun, staying for years, where is US and UN on this?
ohhh, yes bc they don't profit anythng from finding the dissepeared bodies that were executed...
or maybe US army takes land of hectars from people, and kick them out to establish their base, one of the biggest bases in Balkan??? probably use them for transfering secret prisoners?? who knows.
or maybe a CIA secret angent becoming the president of a factory which has hugeee amount of minerals???
etc...

there is no "going to help", but there is "going to profit"

 

[barney]

You forgot that the recreation room at gitmo diddnt provide bouncy enough balls. (One of the complaints of a inmate).

Fact is the Geneva convention as it is applied, dosnt allow for its members to break it against non-signatorys. Which was what you posted.
Does the US break it? Undoubtably. Badly break it? Mayby.
Are the Gitmo incarcerates POW's? Well they certainly acted for a state, yet they wore no uniform, to help them hide away from a open battle.

What code of conduct does Sudan follow? Afganistan under the taliban? Iran?

Its farcical to use the Geneva Convention to beat your happiest target,(apparently the great big bad satan the USA), when a whole slew of muslim nations have no code of behaviour at all.

I recognise that you get confused by my posts. Its a sure sign of people not being able to argue effectively with what I write, and feeling uncomfortable with that.
Take some time out and study it some more.

 

[جوري]

there is no "going to help", but there is "going to profit"

Agreed, this is globalization at its peak, and its best!

 

[barney]

I served in Kosovo. Lots of KLA and Muslim civilians thanked us Brits for defending them.

I've never heard of a muslim from outside there since say a single word of thanks. It's too big a pill to swallow that we would kill christians to defend them.

As a British major said to the Mayor of Gorazde. " Imagine Liverpool was surrounded by muslims and being shelled. Would you help us ? Would you?"

 

[vpb]

when a whole slew of muslim nations have no code of behaviour at all.

because we are experiencing lack of oxygen due to your propaganda and opression.

 

[جوري]

You forgot that the recreation room at gitmo diddnt provide bouncy enough balls. (One of the complaints of a inmate).

Fact is the Geneva convention as it is applied, dosnt allow for its members to break it against non-signatorys. Which was what you posted.
Does the US break it? Undoubtably. Badly break it? Mayby.
Are the Gitmo incarcerates POW's? Well they certainly acted for a state, yet they wore no uniform, to help them hide away from a open battle.

What code of conduct does Sudan follow? Afganistan under the taliban? Iran?

Its farcical to use the Geneva Convention to beat your happiest target,(apparently the great big bad satan the USA), when a whole slew of muslim nations have no code of behaviour at all.

I recognise that you get confused by my posts. Its a sure sign of people not being able to argue effectively with what I write, and feeling uncomfortable with that.
Take some time out and study it some more.

lol... nothing quite like a self-aggrandizing fest.. perhaps you should take your posts else where, where they would be better understood, and agreed with. in the immortal words of Abraham Lincoln "He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know."

 

[vpb]

I served in Kosovo. Lots of KLA and Muslim civilians thanked us Brits for defending them.

I've never heard of a muslim from outside there since say a single word of thanks. It's too big a pill to swallow that we would kill christians to defend them.

As a British major said to the Mayor of Gorazde. " Imagine Liverpool was surrounded by muslims and being shelled. Would you help us ? Would you?"

very true, what you said, you still have case where they name their kids "tonyblair" ;D which I laugh when I hear, but people at that time didn't know what was going on, but if you go now and ask a prominent architect who doesn't have enough money to pay electricity bills, he will tell you what this liberation meant to him, people thought that you were taking a occupator out, but you became occupator yourself.

 

[barney]

We have no troops there.

What a Muslim led government makes of its own country after we rescued it isnt our affair. Sort it out whithout blaming the people who saved you.
The EU gave billions to Kosovo for reconstruction. and they still messed it up.

 

[SATalha]

You know it would be easy to be appreciative to western nations if they went in to these lands with the right intentions. Looking at these incidents from an objective view point, we can see that that many private companies and individuals benefit greatly from war. In capitilsm war has become another money-making system and not a means for liberation, justice or independance. Clinton himself in his memoirs said that the thought of an islamic republic in the heart of Europe (Bosnia) was unthinkable.

As for the legitimacy of Kavkaz, say what you want. But at the end of the day the sources are very strong with first hand accounts of everyday life. Plus the Russains report their losses as well. And you can see that every week some form of battle takes place, when their is a loss amongst the Mujahideens they report it becuase they are happy for him. The individual that is killed in action is a martyr and will be amongst the people of the highest Jannah Inshallah.

 

[جوري]

I happen to come from a country, that is very familiar with the sort of S***, that your England did in the name of benevolence. You can sell your crap else where, HERE we are not buying. Not all people are as small-minded as you'd hope or have a grip on political history a la mode of fox news...
here is a book you can read for starters. Don't come and tell me what morals you uphold during wars, I know the atrocities first hand from the mouths of the soliders of port saiid. My grand father happened to have been one fighting against your folk during your occupation. Your thievery, your immorality, your lack of ethics isn't forgotten!

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[barney]

lol... nothing quite like a self-aggrandizing fest.. perhaps you should take your posts else where, where they would be better understood, and agreed with. in the immortal words of Abraham Lincoln "He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know."

Still not able to answer? Never mind!

And mods , if you delete this, can you delete purests posts of personal attacks as well. Theyre not really moving the debate along.

 

[جوري]

Still not able to answer? Never mind!

And mods , if you delete this, can you delete purests posts of personal attacks as well. Theyre not really moving the debate along.

What is the matter little man? scared people would purchase a history book for a change over believing your grand delusions?

 

[vpb]

We have no troops there.

What a Muslim led government makes of its own country after we rescued it isnt our affair. Sort it out whithout blaming the people who saved you.
The EU gave billions to Kosovo for reconstruction. and they still messed it up.

what government are you talking about??? a puppet government of EU and US??? a government where the prime minister goes at night in his office and finds his resign-paper already made???? a government were voting to take off the president of the parlament bc he said "UNMIK has to go home now", where the voters to take him off are constantly recieving SMS-s from US ambassy to vote to take him off??? a government where the UN policemen that killed the 2 guys in the protests go home without being charged for crime? whereas the organizator of the protests is still in jail?? a government where UN puts big walls in the centre of the city, looking like it some kind of secret place??? a government where we are told what to do with our cities and who should control them? a muslim government where they don't give permission to build a mosque? even to restaurate the oldest mosque which the wall paint is falling down at the head where imam prays?? a government which puts on position anti-islamic people???? ......etc etc....

The EU gave billions to Kosovo for reconstruction. and they still messed it up.

gave billions and recieved trillions, the mobile company is ripping off people in Kosova, and where with those money they pay their debts in monacco, they give billions and then you have the german caught on stealing 400,000 euros from the thermo central???? or soon getting minerals from the factory of trepca??? etc. etc..

you think, people think, they they invest, but they take more than what they invest. only ignorant and dumb people in my country and elsewhere would accept this BIG LIE.

 

[SATalha]

Lets get back to the main point about Chechnya. It clear as daylight that the Russian Guv is trying to make sure that this fierce nation doesnt get back to its feet. But will they wipe out a whole nation? Proberbly not, as long as they have people like Kadyrov in power. But this man will not last long in power.

 

[barney]

Right:
Our current debate is, You are saying that the geneva convetion dosnt apply to muslims.
You have no proof of that.
Read the Geneva Convention. It backs what I have stated about it.

I assume that your comment was just a rant about how muslims were oppressed. It's not based in any fact.

Copy and paste the Link that proves the Geneva Convention does not apply against Muslim nations.

Or alternatively just post some crud about my physical size. Because that shows what a great debater you are.

 

[SATalha]

Hey who cares about the Geneva convention......no country.