Child rapists can't be executed, Supreme Court rules

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Whatsthepoint said:
It's all about divisibility though, not that that make it any less fascinating.
does the hebrew inscription also hold any peculiar mathematical properties?
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I don't think so. It's part of an actual record called the Song of Songs, except the "Remember me" part. I'm not sure where that comes from, but the whole passage read:

Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm, for Love is as strong as Death.

I was going to have that tatooed on my arm, but the Jewish scholars went ballistic, and it led to a 4 month long debate. One that I lost because of this passage:

Deuteronomy 14:1 You are the sons of God. You shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness on your heads on account of the dead.

On a weirder note, that incident led to the second time I read a passage that described the "sons of God" as men... and that, in turn, led me into a whole different debate. Like the math formula, one thing leads to another and it never seems to end. Sometimes, I feel like I'm just following a trail of bread crumbs.

The Ninth Scribe
 
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i am against the death penalty mainly for 2 reasons.
there have been people who have sat in prison for decades for crimes they did not commit (including rape and murder) and eventually, through DNA testing, their innocence was proven and they were exonerated.
see here:
http://www.innocenceproject.org/
the other reason is that our justice system is not always just. often there are different versions for rich and poor.
 
Ninth_Scribe said:
Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm, for Love is as strong as Death.

I was going to have that tatooed on my arm, but the Jewish scholars went ballistic, and it led to a 4 month long debate. One that I lost because of this passage:

Deuteronomy 14:1 You are the sons of God. You shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness on your heads on account of the dead.
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this is true - tatoos are forbidden in judaism, as is body piercing. i'm pretty sure that islam forbids both also.
btw, do you know hebrew?
 
Ninth_Scribe said:
His name is Azra'el. He is NOT the Angel of Death. He describes himself as Ezra, the son of Sariah, a scribe who lived 2500 years ago.

He turns up in my dreams frequently.

The Ninth Scribe
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you know you mentioned this angel of yours... is he in the form of a human?
and what does this angel do for you?
sorry im just curious.
 
Tie the guy to a car and drag his alive body across America. Leaving a strong statement to rest of the losers.
 
Questfortruth said:
Tie the guy to a car and drag his alive body across America. Leaving a strong statement to rest of the losers.
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Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
someone is being a little unrealistic.

plus i do not think any law would allow that and im pretty sure that is not in shariah law either.

lol

ma salama brother.
 
Eeman said:
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
someone is being a little unrealistic.

plus i do not think any law would allow that and im pretty sure that is not in shariah law either.

lol

ma salama brother.
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How is that unrealistic? It happens in many countries parts of India, Pakistan and Afganistan. Also it was just a suggestion. I actually agree more with Shariah bury him half way and allow the families of victims to throw rocks on them.
 
Questfortruth said:
How is that unrealistic? It happens in many countries parts of India, Pakistan and Afganistan. Also it was just a suggestion. I actually agree more with Shariah bury him half way and allow the families of victims to throw rocks on them.
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yeah but i mean is that really necessary?
in Afghanistan the taliban used to shoot women who were simply accused of commiting zina by their mother in laws.

is that justice?
 
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That is disgusting...

For the judge to think that the death penalty is excessive for rape is pathetic.

Eeman said:
yeah but i mean is that really necessary?
in Afghanistan the taliban used to shoot women who were simply accused of commiting zina by their mother in laws.

is that justice?
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Proof?
 
Questfortruth said:
How is that unrealistic? It happens in many countries parts of India, Pakistan and Afganistan. Also it was just a suggestion. I actually agree more with Shariah bury him half way and allow the families of victims to throw rocks on them.
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I heard women are buried up to the neck. Is this true?
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
Actually I read it, that's just the expression.
Can you just tell me whether I'm right or wrong?

Heres an example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-467588/Iranian-wife-faces-death-stoning-adultery.html

Under Islamic law a male convict is buried up to the waist with his hands tied behind his back, while a female is usually buried up to her neck.
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I don't know enough about that case to make a fair judgement. I've heard some pretty bad stuff about Iran and I do not know how well they follow Islamic law. I don't know how qualified their judge is in terms of sharia law nor do I know the social context of that country well enough to make any form of judgement. From what I have read, the semi burying is part of the punishment for adultery under Islam law (if one would like, I can explain to you why the punishment is so harsh)

Child rape (and rape in general) would come under adultery/zina. But, only the adult (or rapist) would come under punishment - not the victim. With that being said, the accused would have to go on trial and the opposition would have to 100% sway the judge that the accused was guilty - any doubt in the judges mind and he is not to hand out the hadd (aka harsh aka stoning etc) punishment. Thus, the Judge (or Qadi) has a lot of responsibility on his shoulders and should not take any pleasure in handing this punishment out (infact, the way the islamic courts work is that the judge is on the accused side ergo innocent until proven guilty); it is a very harsh punishment for a very serious crime.
 
aamirsaab said:
I don't know enough about that case to make a fair judgement. I've heard some pretty bad stuff about Iran and I do not know how well they follow Islamic law. I don't know how qualified their judge is in terms of sharia law nor do I know the social context of that country well enough to make any form of judgement. From what I have read, the semi burying is part of the punishment for adultery under Islam law (if one would like, I can explain to you why the punishment is so harsh)
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All I'm trying to find out is whether women are always buried deeper than men. If not, does it depend on the severity of the crime, can men too be buried to the neck?
Do the Quran and the hadiths say anything about semi-burial?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Actually I read it, that's just the expression.
Can you just tell me whether I'm right or wrong?

Heres an example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-467588/Iranian-wife-faces-death-stoning-adultery.html

Under Islamic law a male convict is buried up to the waist with his hands tied behind his back, while a female is usually buried up to her neck.
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OH so now you read from the dailymail:enough!: thats even worse,you know what i live in a country and society that stimulates rape like no business,i woke up today to have some breakfast and on the cereal box there's a naked women and for complete thirty minutes i was trying to figure out what has this naked women got to do with a cereal?

I looked at the justice system of britain regarding rape and sexual assault and i think its very just,because they stimulate rape and then they forgive or just be lenient with suspect,on that particular thing i think its very just LOL
 
Ahmedjunior said:
OH so now you read from the dailymail:enough!: thats even worse,you know what i live in a country and society that stimulates rape like no business,i woke up today to have some breakfast and on the cereal box there's a naked women and for complete thirty minutes i was trying to figure out what has this naked women got to do with a cereal?

I looked at the justice system of britain regarding rape and sexual assault and i think its very just,because they stimulate rape and then they forgive or just be lenient with suspect,on that particular thing i think its very just LOL
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She was not naked, I am sure. 30 minutes, eh?:D:-[:)
Look, if you can't answer my question, then don't reply at all.
 
There is no need to be rude whatsthepoint. You ask daft questions, and then you expect us to ignore it??!! Puh-lease.
 
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There is no need to be rude whatsthepoint. You ask daft questions, and then you expect us to ignore it??!! Puh-lease.
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I don't expet ou to ignore it, I expect you to try to answer it, like al habeshi did.
And it's not daft at all.
 
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