China vows to crush unrest in Xinjiang

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam;

...our Muslim brothers (Uighur's in Xinjiang) are lying.

Why & How ? Do they have access in mainstream media ? How can use the world media in favour of them ????

If anyone wants more information I am glad to share it.

yes , pl. do . Let me know if the Uighur's Muslims are allowed to enter in to main land of China.

I am also sad that a group of Han's sought revenge and attacked some Uighur's.

Can u tell us how many Muslims are dead there so far by Police & opponent groups ?

they do treat Muslims well in China and much better than in the west

Can u give some examples how Muslims are better treated in China than in the west ?

 

[malayloveislam]

I am sad to say, I feel our Muslim brothers (Uighur's in Xinjiang) are lying. They are under the leadership of a terrorist named Rebiya Kadeer with links to the East Turkestan terrorist group.

What about Mustafa Alp Takin who wrote the book, "Turkestan, Behind The Iron Veil"? He told us about how Turkestan was divided two after Soviet invasion and before the Eastern region being included into China and known as Xin Jiang (New Land) and in 1949 Han ethnic were brought into the region en mass while Western Turkestan became Uzbekistan. Most of the Han in Xinjiang are non-Muslim. I thought that Muslims of China are known as Hui??

 

[uniteislam]

W'Salam

Sorry I don't know about the book you are mentioning, just my knowledge of the history of Islam and China and what I witnessed when visiting China.

Salaam;
Why & How ? Do they have access in mainstream media ? How can use the world media in favour of them ????

Yes, the media mainly took the side of the Uighur Muslims in this case. The foreign media was all over Xinjiang this time, although previously they were not, just as in Tibet.

yes , pl. do . Let me know if the Uighur's Muslims are allowed to enter in to main land of China.

Of course they are allowed to enter the mainland, who said they are not? I have been to the major cities in China, there are Uighur's everywhere, including large restaurants. Also remember, Uighur's are not the only ethnicity of Muslims. Especially in Xinjiang there are 13 different Ethnic Minorities, most of them are Muslims, but yet only the Uighur's are complaining.

http://uniteislam.com/Xinjiang_has_13_Ethnic_Minorities_mainly_MuslimIslamic-54-blog

Also, the Uighur's make up the majority in Xinjiang Province.

Can u tell us how many Muslims are dead there so far by Police & opponent groups ?

I don't know the numbers, but we must remember, it was the Uighur's who attacked and killed innocent Han civilians first.

If you are wondering, there were pictures on some Western Media sites, showing the police attacking some of the Han groups with teargas, to prevent them from getting to the Uighur's.

Can u give some examples how Muslims are better treated in China than in the west ?

Yes, I live in Canada and know how many Muslims have disappeared under "security certificates" and I was detained trying to enter the US and questioned about my religion (I have no criminal record).

In China on the Customs form I declared I was a Muslim, and I was never harassed or detained by any Chinese authorities.

Then as I mentioned, there are Mosques and Halal Restaurants everywhere in China. China has always preserved the Mosques, since ancient times.

The Uighur's claims just do not make any sense, there are Uighur's all over mainland China. Why was no protest organized in the rest of the country?

The answer is Rebiya Kadeer, she only wants the world to look at Xinjiang, otherwise it won't achieve her goals of an independent state.

Just a few interesting facts:

1.) The governor of Xinjiang Province is an Uighur
2.) Rebiya Kadeer claims Uighur's are abused, but do you know she was one of the richest people in all of China during her time? She was also elected to the Chinese National Assembly and made a UN delegate. How could a hate and oppressed Uighur Muslim business woman make a fortune if China hates all Muslims and all Uighur's as she says?
3.) Uighur's are exempt from China's one child policy, this is a huge thing.
4.) The Uighur's who started the protest and claimed it was done due to the factory incident in Shaoguan China, but in the fact the families of the 2 Uighur's killed said the protests are not connected to that event. The families even said they were happy with how the police handled it.

The Uighur's killed were flown home and given a same day burial by the government.
http://uniteislam.com/Victims_relative_Shaoguan_Urumqi_violence_have_no_link-406-articles
5.) Some Han Chinese started a lie about the factory incident that the 2 Uighur's were accused of rape. This was a lie and the Chinese government arrested them for starting this lie. If the government hates Uighur's and Muslims would they really arrest people for lying about this?

http://uniteislam.com/Rumormongers_...fabrications_about_factory_brawl-408-articles

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam;

Yes, the media mainly took the side of the Uighur Muslims in this case.

Normally media are anti-Islam . Why do u think , this time they took side of Muslims if they are the real culprit ?

The foreign media was all over Xinjiang this time, although previously they were not, just as in Tibet.

Why media were not allowed in Xinjiang in the past ?

Of course they are allowed to enter the mainland, who said they are not?

A Muslim Community Whose Ties with the Entire World have been broken: Uigur Turks in Eastern by Harun Yahya

...The rest of the world is unaware of the human rights atrocities committed by the communist Chinese regime against the Muslim ....

Right to exit or of access to the territories of this Turkic Muslim Community are simply denied

http://www.harunyahya.com/solutions01.php

Also, the Uighur's make up the majority in Xinjiang Province.

Muslim people who resisted the assimilation policies of China were brutally massacred ........People were buried alive and women raped… In 1953, Muslims represented 75% of the population while the Chinese made up 6%. In 1990, however, this state of affairs reversed in favour of the Chinese. The Chinese population constituted 53% while Muslim population fell to 40%.

These figures alone explain the dimensions of the genocide committed against the Muslims in Eastern Turkestan

http://www.harunyahya.com/solutions01.php

it was the Uighur's who attacked and killed innocent Han civilians first.

people belong to minority religion started riot...sounds illogical.

 

[uniteislam]

W'Salam Muslim Woman.

The reason the media took the side of the Muslims this time (I agree, normally they are anti-Islam), is because they want to fool the world and fool Muslims. They want everyone to think China is the one abusing Muslims, to make you forget about Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.

They are glad to hear Al-Qaeda threaten China instead of the US or Israel.

We already know Harun Yahya is incorrect, because there are large Uighur restaurants and populations all over the mainland.

I will not defend the old Chinese Policies, it was a different situation in 1953, which is what most people judge China by. The China of the last 20 years os completely different. Things are far different in China than 1953, so what Harun Yahya, wrote may have been true 56 years ago, but not today.

I don't know why people keep talking of a genocide in Xinjiang, for that to happen you need to be wiping out the population and killing them one by one. Although Han Chinese have moved to the area, no one is being forced from their homes or killed (perhaps except those committing violence and other crimes though). This is happening in many places from Darfur, to Palestine, but definitely not in Xinjiang, China.

Also remember that Uighur's are not the minority. In Xinjiang they are still the majority. There are 13 Ethnic groups in Xinjiang Province, most of them are Muslims, yet only Uighur's are complaining and only Uighur's committed the violence. There are also other Muslims known as Han and Hui in the mainland they are also not complaining.

As a Muslim I cannot support violent actions. You should know the China Islamic association also condemns their actions.


The video footage shows the Uighur's rioting, attacking civilians and destroying property and buses, so it is a fact that the Uighur's attacked.

One other thing you must remember is too look into Rebiya Kadeer's history, who many Uighur's call their leader.

This is not about Islam, but separatism, but Uighur's are using our religion as justification to kill innocent people to achieve their political objectives.

This is against the rules of the Qur'an on so many levels.

All I can do is show the facts, and the facts do not add up to what the Uighur's are claiming, so I cannot support them. I've been to China myself twice and I see Islam is very free in China and there are Mosques and Halal Restaurants all over.

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Some interesting comments:

Here is a comment from the Governor of Xinjiang who is also an Uighur:
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“He said that history has proved on numerous occasions that stability is good fortune, and turmoil is disaster. During all periods when ethnic groups are unified, Xinjiang’s economic and social development has been swift, and the people of all ethinc groups have obtained numerous benefits. Conversely, during all periods when ethnic unity has been disrupted, this has led to social turmoil, stagnant development, and brought disaster and ruin to the people of all ethnic groups. The unity and social harmony and stability of the people of all ethnic groups encompasses the highest interests of the ethnic groups of the People’s Republic within Xinjiang’s population of over 21 million.”

Imam Abudurekefu Akhond of the China Islamic Assocation also denounced the violence and said: "Uygurs are well known for their hospitality. Those rioters are not representatives of the Uygur people," "The Islam creed advocates peace and harmony", he added. "Different ethnic groups should show respect to and learn from each other with mutual understanding."

Also interesting:

SHAOGUAN, Guangdong, July 6 (Xinhua) -- The Xinjiang Uygur workers injured in a toy factory brawl in south China's Guangdong Province condemned the riot in their hometown, where at least 156 people were killed.

"The rioters used our injuries as an excuse for their violence," said Atigul Turdi, 24, who was injured when she was running out of the scene of the fight on June 26 in Xuri toy factory in Shaoguan City, Guangdong. "I firmly opposed the violence in the name of taking revenge for us."

Comment from an Uighur opposed to the violence

The 23-year-old Uygur native Kad Raya was hit on the head in the riot. "I was on the bus after coming back from job markets. Rioters blocked the road, and someone beat my head with a stick when I was getting off the bus," she said.

"They have damaged my health and ruined my prospect to find a good job. I have no idea why the rioters claim to be pursuing happiness for us."

 

[malayloveislam]

It is also make sense, maybe media are trying to fool Muslims to attack each other. I've seen many Chinese Muslims too in the varsity and most of them are the Huis but I don't see them mingle with non-Muslim Hans or with overseas Chinese here (Hua Qiao).

Also many Yunnanese came to our lands in the East Coast of Malayan Peninsula around 18th C, among them are the Ding family and local Muslims don't consider them as different people despite of the difference in ethnicity because of the similarity in religion. Some Hui Muslims in Northern Malaysian state of Penang from Guo clan too were absorbed into non-Muslim community when they can not find any Muslim there. Some of them don't even consume pork although not being Muslims anymore and they perform their ancestral worship without pork being served, showing their Muslim heritage.

http://koayjetty.tripod.com/

We still can see that the government of China today is trying to bridge good relationship with Muslims and Muslim countries. However certain policies in Xinjiang too seems favoring Hans the most while Hans had already inhabited vast regions in China from North to South. The problem won't happen if those Hans in Xin Jiang (Turkestan) are Muslims because Muslims are forbidden treating their brothers with maltreatment, Islam also taught Muslims, Hubbul Wathani (Loving the Motherland). Xin Jiang (Turkestan) was once a separate land from China and their people obviously speaking Turkic dialect.

I don't care what ethnicity is the Muslim in China or in elsewhere, I just hope that they can have their rights in their own region without disturbing or hurting others. If they are native Muslim Finnish, they should have the right on their region or their provinces or their villages. If they are native Muslim Japanese, they too should have right to live and getting chances and other opportunities equal to others in their country. Also if a group of Han people chosen to be Muslims, they shouldn't being chased from their villages and accused as stealing others land while they are already there before they embrace Islam. Religion should not be the barrier and a person choosing what to believe should not being blamed for what they wanted to practice.

I'm glad seeing a Muslim Han. I thought that you're a Hui, however it is OK. You represent Islam and Han ethnic and it is good if you could also create a thread about Islam in China to educate Muslims of other region about Islamic development in China. I may also help, because my country too have a significant number of Chinese population (Hua Qiao) and most of them are from Fujian and Guang Dong provinces in Southern China.

 

[uniteislam]

malayloveislam, Alhamdulillah

Nice post, I am just trying to reach out to non-Muslim Chinese and also our Muslim brother's and sister's. I have had a good welcoming and response here. Unfortunately I have found in some other forums, that there are some Muslims with very extreme and uneducated views. Sometimes, I wonder if some people saying they are Muslims are really Muslims (not trying to declare anyone a Kafir), but there is a history of people committing acts while claiming they are Muslims (even though they are another faith).

For those who know the history of Islam in China, they will know that China does not oppress Islam. I was worried about this before visiting China, but had no trouble with the government and was able to visit the Mosques and Halal Restaurants freely.
There are also many Arab, Indian and Pakistani Muslims in China.

I do not know the details of working policy in Xinjiang. I have been told that in fact Uighur's do have opportunity and sometimes get preferential treatment compared to Han's. One thing I know is the separatist leader Rebiya Kadeer, made a fortune in Xinjiang, and I cannot understand how she was able to do this if Uighur's don't have opportunity.

I also agree, whether you are Japanese or Turkish etc, you should not be forced to lose your culture, and that in all countries everyone should have equal rights. One thing that makes me wonder about the language issue, is that on Chinese currency you can find several languages written on the currency, including Arabic.

One thing I say to Han's, is not to judge Muslims by the Xinjiang riots, and to Uighur's, not to judge Han's for the retaliation attacks. As Muslims we do not like to be blamed for the actions of other Muslims, and I know Han's don't want to be blamed for the actions of other Han's.

I believe there can be peace and unity, but that outside forces do not want this for China. What happened in Xinjiang in my opinion was an attack by foreign interests to destroy the image of China, and specifically China's relationship with Muslims abroad.

I will just say that in Canada I do not feel welcome as a Muslim, by some people and especially our government. You may know our Prime Minister is an Extremist Evangelist and does not hide his hate and racism for other people and faiths.

In China I was surprised to come back with my wife and we said "in China we are more free as Muslims and Islam in China is more free than in Canada".

 

[Trumble]

The reason the media took the side of the Muslims this time (I agree, normally they are anti-Islam), is because they want to fool the world and fool Muslims. They want everyone to think China is the one abusing Muslims, to make you forget about Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.

That would no doubt include Al Jazeera and even Press TV who have given the story just as much coverage, with much the same tilt, as the 'Western' media?

So what are the press supposed to do? Ignore the the story and they are condemned for doing so, and comparisons with Tibet abound. Report the story and we see posts like yours. Ever heard the phrase 'd*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't"!

 

[uniteislam]

That would no doubt include Al Jazeera and even Press TV who have given the story just as much coverage, with much the same tilt, as the 'Western' media?

So what are the press supposed to do? Ignore the the story and they are condemned for doing so, and comparisons with Tibet abound. Report the story and we see paranoid nonsense like your post. Ever heard the phrase 'd*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't"!

Hi Trumble, I see what you are saying and I don't want a fight or argument here, but I don't appreciate the characterization as being paranoid. If the media normally reported the facts, and didn't spin things, exaggerate the truth and omit and add facts as they please, I would think your comment is valid, but there is no journalistic integrity anymore.

The media is known to be manipulated and spun in general, so I don't think it is paranoid to question what we read or why articles get spun a certain way.

As much as I often enjoy Aljazeera English, you should know that their primary source is the Associated Press, at least when I read their English website.

I never said the press should ignore the story, just that there is a great interest abroad in attacking China and it's relationship with Muslims.

 

[Trumble]

Hi Trumble, I see what you are saying and I don't want a fight or argument here, but I don't appreciate the characterization as being paranoid.

No, sorry. I thought that was a bit strong and edited it out before seeing your reply.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

W'Salam Muslim Woman.

The reason the media took the side of the Muslims this time (I agree, normally they are anti-Islam), is because they want to fool the world and fool Muslims.

Well , I hope you are right and Muslims or others are not facing any oppression in China . But when read news like this , it makes me wonder , what's really going on there ??


China Disappeared Uighurs: Exiled Leader

Thousands of Uighurs have disappeared in one night following the recent deadly unrest in Muslim-majority Xinjiang region, an exiled leader of the Muslim minority said on Wednesday, July 29, blasting American silence for the "massacred" against her people.

"Close to 10,000 people in Urumqi disappeared in one night," Rebiya Kadeer, known as the "Mother of the Uighur nation", said during a three-day visit to Japan.


"Where did those people go?" she wondered.
"If they died, where did they go? If they are detained, where are they?"


http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...87504312&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

 

[jeff d]

This is Another atrocity committed against Muslims around the world I can't wrap my head around the idea of murdering out of fear/hate. It's just about the saddest thing there is. I talked once before about how many Muslims around the world are being silenced and left without a voice through violence, and this is another example of that. It is very disheartening, and I pray so much that the Chinese government will learn and practice tolerance for those who aren't just like them. Allah has made different people around the world for a reason. Of course I can't read God's mind, nor would I ever say that I would even try to, but I feel in my heart that Allah wants all of us to learn of each other, and practice peace and love of all the world and its differences. I will pray for the individuals lost in this horrible act. May Allah give them the peace now that they didn't have on earth. I will pray that the heart's of these murderous individuals will change, and let Allah's everlasting peace and love be within them. This is a sad day in the world. The worst thing is, is that I know that this is not the end of the violence and opression.

 

[Argamemnon]

Whenever something happens in Tibet, the whole world is up in arms. But if something happens in Xinjiang, nothing is said.

Christians burnt alive in Pakistan

Whenever Christians/non-Muslims are slaughtered in Muslim countries, we Muslims are silent like the hypocrites we are. Erdogan, the hypocrite who is supposed to be our "prime minister" didn't open his mouth about this tragic event. But he had the audacity to call the riots in China a "genocide", while in reality more Chinese were killed by Muslims.