Chinese QiGong

[sargon]

I've practiced qigong for almost 3 years and have had numerous health benefits from it. I was wondering what's the stance on qigong amongst scholars? I've searched but haven't found any.

The reason it's sketchy is because it's link with 'energy/qi', which some people link with the 'occult/magick.'

Recent studies are varied and don't really pan out, but personal experience for me has.

For example I always feelt tingling going through my body, and if I get injured (from martial arts) those areas I feel more 'energy' and it heals faster.

I'm not sure if qigong is just a placebo and the tingling is a mind made illusion or is it a latent human ability to feel our electric current if we choose to develop said ability?

This goes deeper because if we can sense our own electric currents, can we sense others? Like when you walk into a room and 'feel the tension?'

And if we have a good qi can we try and use our qi to heal other people? This was my goal before I found Islam, was to be an alternative spiritual healer, but now I have to question how valid and legal what my old intentions were.

If it could be scientifically proven that we have qi, is it permissable to practice qi gong? And what about 'healing?' My theory before and after I reverted remains the same, that either way it's God's will thats determines whether a person will be healed, and my 'qi' is the catalyst, accompanied by massage, natural remedies, and prayer.

One of the reasons I like natural medicine is because I grew up in America and the pharmacies prescribe 'drugs' that block the pain instead of go to the root to cure it, as well as the insurance policies. I knew of a kid who got shot and was denied treatment because of insurance papers, and crawled and limped to the next hospital because the first refused an ambulence, and died near the second hospital.

Sorry for the long post, :rollseyes

And what about yoga? I used to study/research all alternative and new age things, I think most of them are placebo's or the use of jinns. But yoga is kind of like a physical sceince, although if you believe in the yogic belief system it would be shirk or polytheism. But if you practice knowing it's good for your phsyical and electric body than I don't see whats wrong with that.

Oh sorry one more question, in new age material people say we have 'multiple bodies,' like an emotional body, energy body, soul body, etc... different beliefs have different names and so on.

What would be scholars opinions about these things? Ok this is going off topic now... :X Thanks in advance, I want to clear all these questions up once and for all. islamqa.com never replied I might have sounded like some new age wiccan to them or something.

Oh and I have 123 posts

 

[Snowflake]

Well, personally I don't think there's anything wrong with the form of healing you mentioned, like you said, as long as we believe the ultimate power is Allah's alone, I don't see the harm.

And although rare these days, I used to practice spiritual healing and sometimes light & colour therapy were combined depending on the nature of the illness. I think if one has the ability and wants to use it for the benefit of mankind, not greed, then they should do it. I really miss the time when I did it. Your post has made me want to take it up again : ) I think you should go for it.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

If i were you Stay away from certain parts of Qi gong that includes falun dafa, ive been practicing Qi Gong for 6 years, and Magick for 6 hours. But prevously stopped because of Islam. If you want to discuss more of it im going to PM you.

 

[Snowflake]

Oops! maybe I gave the bro wrong advice. What is falun dafa bro?

 

[mahdisoldier19]

A cult that was banned by China.

What they would do is suck kids in to learn OH WE ARE GOING TO TEACH YOU SOFT QI GONG FOR LONGETIVETY AND LIFE! Please donate we love you your a kind person practice qi gong. Then one day when your 18 they brainwash your mind and im not joking they literally slip things inside your food to make you abide by them. Then when your parents notice anything Wrong? What can they do? remember your over 18 you decide on your own your actions. Very dangerous people that is why they are banned from china and guess whos supporting them? GEORGE BUSH!

So i advise those who are seeking any knowledge on Qi gong or occult to contact me before PRACTICING ANYTHING

 

[Snowflake]

A cult that was banned by China.

What they would do is suck kids in to learn OH WE ARE GOING TO TEACH YOU SOFT QI GONG FOR LONGETIVETY AND LIFE! Please donate we love you your a kind person practice qi gong. Then one day when your 18 they brainwash your mind and im not joking they literally slip things inside your food to make you abide by them. Then when your parents notice anything Wrong? What can they do? remember your over 18 you decide on your own your actions. Very dangerous people that is why they are banned from china and guess whos supporting them? GEORGE BUSH!

So i advise those who are seeking any knowledge on Qi gong or occult to contact me before PRACTICING ANYTHING

oh wowowow thats sounds really bad. I thought qi gong was something bad phew! It is similar to Reiki?

 

[sargon]

Falun Dafa is a two things, mostly a cult though.

The founder took Buddhist literature and twisted it into a modified version, and mixed in Chinese Qigong, but he twisted those exercises as well. It's kind of like yoga, yogic beliefs are polytheistic in nature (if I'm not mistaken), but the practice itself is a physical science of some sort.

Color therapy and what not is all questionable which is why I posted. I don't want to use jinn's like magicians do, but I feel energy. I'm not sure if it's a mind trick, jinns, or just my bio-electricity/qi.

For some scientific evidence I'd say look at the Shaolin Monks that practice hard and soft martial arts. They can do some amazing things, which is attributed to top perfomance of their physical bodies, and qigong.

For right now I will just stick to soft qigong and research more before I take up any alternative medicines practices.

If it interests anyone the whole new age movement was actually started by some magicians...

But Chinese Qigong came from India I believe, the original practice was formed a long time ago and has developed because of Chinese martial arts primarily, as well as monks.

I would like to hear a scholars opinion more than anything.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

My friend, Magick is haram. Im not a scholar but its Haram. Elemental magick you see this is where i conflict the approach. Everytime i ask a Scholar about Ki/ or chi? They say SHAITAN! Thats disrespectful because by saying that thats say ing every living thing is a shaitan which is awkward. But you have to understand also In northern China, Chinese Muslims developed Hsing i and tan toi However tan toi doesnt reflect much on internal but external, hsing i on the other hand is very internal.

Kung fu (gung fu) is separated to 4 parts. Soft, Hard, External, Internal.

 

[Musaafirah]

jus wondering..wat exactly is qi gong? sorry 4 my ignorance..
hav u tried asking an imam form ask-imam.com? jus wondering...

 

[Snowflake]

Qigong
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Qigong (Simplified Chinese: 气功; Traditional Chinese: 氣功; Hanyu Pinyin: qìgōng; Wade-Giles: ch'i4 kung1) is an increasingly popular aspect of Chinese medicine involving the coordination of different breathing patterns with various physical postures and motions of the body. Qigong is mostly taught for health maintenance purposes, but there are also some who teach it, especially in China, for therapeutic interventions. Various forms of traditional qigong are also widely taught in conjunction with Chinese martial arts, and are especially prevalent in the advanced training of what are known as the nei chia (internal martial arts).

Ermm, this sounds different to the one the bro mentioned... anywayz using energy to heal is not haraam.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Yes using energy to heal is not haram but sister

I know this topic very well. What kind of ENERGY is the question. When you think its your energy when in fact it maybe a jinns energy manipulating in your hands you have to be very careful due to the issues of the person and their own auric field. Depending on the person how for instance hes a psi vamp regular complicated process.

 

[Muezzin]

Was I the only one who saw the word 'QiGong' and thought of this guy?

 

[HeiGou]

Qigong
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Qigong (Simplified Chinese: 气功; Traditional Chinese: 氣功; Hanyu Pinyin: qìgōng; Wade-Giles: ch'i4 kung1) is an increasingly popular aspect of Chinese medicine involving the coordination of different breathing patterns with various physical postures and motions of the body. Qigong is mostly taught for health maintenance purposes, but there are also some who teach it, especially in China, for therapeutic interventions. Various forms of traditional qigong are also widely taught in conjunction with Chinese martial arts, and are especially prevalent in the advanced training of what are known as the nei chia (internal martial arts).

Ermm, this sounds different to the one the bro mentioned... anywayz using energy to heal is not haraam.

Qi gong is the generic name for a whole range of Chinese practices that aim mainly at good health and exercise. They can also have some martial art applications. However associated with that comes another whole range of, even in polite Chinese society, suspect practices. The idea that you can fly if you practice hard enough for instance. Now this is not supernatural or magic as such as there is no God involved and anyone can do it. Most Qi gong pactitioners would say it was "scientific" in that sense. Now Falun gong is a type of Qi gong practice that is said, by the Chinese government, to be a cult. They seem to take it a lot more seriously than most Chinese. But would you call it a religion? I do not know. Is there anything un-Islamic about it? Well there is no idolatry but the whole practice is steeped in traditional folk lore and religion so there are religious assumptions behind it all.

I think there is nothing harmful in it myself, but probably most Muslim scholars would not agree. China used to have famous Muslim Qigong masters though.

 

[sargon]

Yes there were also famous Muslim Martial Artists. The belief system of falun gong is without a doubt un-Islamic, it's idolatry. However the qi gong of falun gong is a seperate issue that falls into the category of qi gong in general.

To me it's still unclear whether qi gong is lawful or not.

Elemental Magick is accompanied by a belief system that is un-Islamic as well. The 4 elements are to be balanced and controlled by your spirit, where the whole five pointed star comes in. Really the underlying principles are that these practices have been practiced so they have power, but really it's all in your mind and the very underlying principle is that you manifest your destiny.

This is why magick in any form, is polytheistic. The core belief (what your heart will come to believe after much practice) is that you're in control. For instance some magicians aspire to control when they will die, and they think that they will be able to die consciously when they wish.

My questions are not about magick, I know it is haraam. It's not only haraam but it's a grave offense.

I want to know specifically about Chinese Qi Gong, and Yoga.

 

[Snowflake]

Yes using energy to heal is not haram but sister

I know this topic very well. What kind of ENERGY is the question. When you think its your energy when in fact it maybe a jinns energy manipulating in your hands you have to be very careful due to the issues of the person and their own auric field. Depending on the person how for instance hes a psi vamp regular complicated process.

I know what you mean but unless someone is deliberately using jinns for that puppose, then I don't see the harm. Energy is a universal life force and healers merely harness that energy to transfer it to patients. Healers who treat by laying their hands on people often feel drained of energy afterwards. I doubt that would happen if it were the jinns energy and not theirs. Even when insects sit on leaves they transfer energy to leaves. When we make wudhu we feel re-energised because washing those parts has created a balance in the energy within our bodies. The main thing one must remember is that energy is the universal life force from Allah and the ability to use that energy for good is a gift He has given us to help ourselves.

 

[Snowflake]

I think there is nothing harmful in it myself, but probably most Muslim scholars would not agree. China used to have famous Muslim Qigong masters though.

I think the same thing too. As long as it is not associated with anything forbidden/malicious then I don't see no harm in it.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

It is harmful if not done properly. For instance you have to cleanse in the energy that you take in, so it does not contain any negativity. You also have to go through necessary steps to make a proper consumption of Energy. I know what im talking about, yes you can use it to heal and grant you longetivity and life and all the great things. But, there can be some backlashes when not properly done.

In my view, for a person to state that Qi/chi is jinn that is just so ignorant because chi/qi is the energy lifeform that exist within all of us, within all living things.

 

[sargon]

All I can say is that I'm not sure, and if it wasn't for the feeling of actually having qi I'd probably say it's fake but I've had personal experience and it's continuosly coarsing through my body... it doesn't do much besides keep me warmer at night, and perhaps I'm a bit healthier.

I would like to hear some other people's opinions as well

What does Islam say about laying on of hands for healing?

 

[mahdisoldier19]

No if you felt something tingling or pins and needles from your body while practicing an excersie then your in for something.

 

[sargon]

I feel it right now, always feel it. When I lay down to sleep it increases and goes all over the place, but I still haven't received any answers :hiding: