Chocolate Jesus

[جوري]

I agree and even about the hanging of Sadaam Hussian... but this is something to be calculated properly...do you understand? When they make cartoons of the prophet Mohammed the best thing to do is boycott all their products period and collectively in all Islamic countries that use their products it is bound to hurt when there is 1.8 billion of us!... There are many other ways to make a point than stand in the streets with poorly written posters... I have seen the things the protesters used and I have seen the mockery made over them misspelling words like peace with peak... Do you think that would have been the appropriate response in the days of the messenger? I'll go out on a limb and say No!... there are very effective ways of making a point. As far as I am concerned Denmark is a little country who would have gone bankrupt from economic shut down from boycott to their products... let the countries who defend them settle their economic crisis, to me that would have been a point well delivered... Do you protest out loud against every kid that teases and torments you? or do you find more effective methods of shutting them up for good? Arabs have billion of dollars here in the U.S.. they can take their money... they can stop giving them oil... if they wanted to deliver a good punch... there are economic sanctions that can be imposed not a protest on the street!

 

[samah12]

Well this very forum is bascially freedom of speech ..correct? so of course im not prompting that freedom of speech be stopped completely. Only there are boundaries and guidelines to EVErything in life. If you want to speak, speak with kindness,love care and compassion. If you want to advise , advise with thoughfulness, sincerity and love. Just like Islam teaches us. People are so far gone from these basic aspects of "speech" it just slightly anonys me.

and as for the Muslims protestes, im sure you dont agree with violenece, but that is kind of my point, We cant just "open" our mouths and say "hay we dont think thats right" we have to go to extremes of stressing our point. Or in other words we arent regonized , or regraded enough for it to just be offensive and they take note, we have to "Show" them its offensive and then they think about if they agree.

Here, here PurestAmbrosia, you get my vote for President lol

Regarding the freedom of speach sister, this has been a problem for lawmakers and leaders for centuries. We all accept that certain topics should be taboo because they offend the masses. A great example is religion, mocking or ridiculing religion should be outside freedom of speach but of course that would mean Muslims could not say anything bad about Jews or Christians. To say that they are wrong or going against Allah could become illegal. Where does it stop? Who would judge what is allowed and what is not. I am truly offended by some things people say - even some Muslims - but I have to accept their right to say it.

So am I saying people should be allowed to make a naked chocolate Jesus (pbuh) NO I amm not. Clearly this is offensive but it is not illegal. It was stopped because people used their voicess but they didn't go into streets and burn buildings.

Why can't we just open our mouths and say "hey we dont think thats right"? I certainly can and do. When those awful cartoons appeared the women in my town refused to buy anything from that country, the shops have now stocking produce from that country because we wont buy it - money talks. I sent emails to the newspapers and government of the country. Imagine going to the office on Monday and finding 1.5 billion emails of complaint - I think you'd get the message.

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

I agree and even about the hanging of Sadaam Hussian... but this is something to be calculated properly...do you understand? When they make cartoons of the prophet Mohammed the best thing to do is boycott all their products period and collectively in all Islamic countries that use their products it is bound to hurt when there is 1.8 billion of us!... There are many other ways to make a point than stand in the streets with poorly written posters... I have seen the things the protesters used and I have seen the mockery made over them misspelling words like peace with peak... Do you think that would have been the appropriate response in the days of the messenger? I'll go out on a limb and say No!... there are very effective ways of making a point. As far as I am concerned Denmark is a little country who would have gone bankrupt from economic shut down from boycott to their products... let the countries who defend them settle their economic crisis, to me that would have been a point well delivered... Do you protest out loud against every kid that teases and torments you? or do you find more effective methods of shutting them up for good? Arabs have billion of dollars here in the U.S.. they can take their money... they can stop giving them oil... if they wanted to deliver a good punch... there are economic sanctions that can be imposed not a protest on the street!

:applaud: for a point well made. I very much agree with your point, 100 percent. But then theres always a "but" in every statment innit? I think like you as far as taking my products, and cutting them off, but its far more complex than that im afriad. I dont agree at all with protesting on streets and making a bad name for the sane ones left. But i mean goverment systems are far more difficult than it appears to us common folk. the idea of taking their products away and cutting them off sounds good in theory, but the acutality of the situation is that; although the arabs may have the ability to take their oil from america , they may need america in other ways or prehaps the selling of their oil is a big income for their country...i believe you understand where this is going.

So of course i agree if they CAN tak away their products and cut off the source then by all means please do, but in some weird way i dont think its that simple.

 

[جوري]

I promise you if the Muslim world in its entirety worked in concert like they did the days of the abbasids, the fatamids even the Ottoman empire, we'd be a force to be reckoned with!... we are too weak and divided-- and every man who sits on a throne is so afraid to be removed from it. I don't even have to go for a far out example but think of George V of England who couldn't grant exile to his cousin Nicholas of Russia who was assassinated along with his entire family, just because he was so afraid to lose his throne ... They like the comfort life provides... they are no different than the prodigals.. If they wanted to, they can be very self sufficient... Malaysia alone is tackling the Halal food industry, Imagine if every Muslim Country brought its best forth in exchange with only other Muslim countries... or they can do their trade with China...

Why do you think that large eastern chunk of the world be it Islamic or not was constantly under imperialistic rule from the west? They stole the wealth of nations...it is time for us to reclaim it..

No these so-called Muslim Nations have taken the easy way out, they have shamed their people and insulted their messenger... if they'd wanted to... they could have delivered a mighty fine blow!

 

[samah12]

No these so-called Muslim Nations have taken the easy way out, they have shamed their people and insulted their messenger... if they'd wanted to... they could have delivered a mighty fine blow!

They still could if they stopped counting their oil money for 5 minutes and got together. Imagine what would happen in the world then.

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

I promise you if the Muslim world in its entirety worked in concert like they did the days of the abbasids, the fatamids even the Ottoman empire, we'd be a force to be reckoned with!... we are too weak and divided-- and every man who sits on a throne is so afraid to be removed from it. I don't even have to go for a far out example but think of George V of England who couldn't grant exile to his cousin Nicholas of Russia who was assassinated along with his entire family, just because he was so afraid to lose his throne ... They like the comfort life provides... they are no different than the prodigals.. If they wanted to, they can be very self sufficient... Malaysia alone is tackling the Halal food industry, Imagine if every Muslim Country brought its best forth in exchange with only other Muslim countries... or they can do their trade with China...

Why do you think that large eastern chunk of the world be it Islamic or not was constantly under Impolitic rule from the west? They stole the wealth of nations...it is time for us to reclaim it..

No these so-called Muslim Nations have taken the easy way out, they have shamed their people and insulted their messenger... if they'd wanted to... they could have delivered a mighty fine blow!

:bravo: You tell them!! MashaAllah beautiful. And once again i AGREE! but then how do we put this into effect? Allah knows best! It saddens all of us who truly care about this Ummah of Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wa salaam. But then its not one persons tears thats going to change the whole 1.8 billion of us Muslims. We could run this earth with Islam, and all the laws of Islam if we so willed INDEED! but what do you have? you have The muslims countries binding for the non muslim ones and having the muslims talking agaisnt their own religion. You have our own saying that Hijaab is oppression and our own calling the ones who strive for piety, "extremist" so whats one to do in this situation?

Sadly, THe muslims are downing themselves, we are killing ourseleves, we are losing grip of ourselves within ourselves. And only now the non Muslims are becoming aware of our weak state and now we're being abused from both angles.
InshaAllah there will come a time again when we will have rule, but that time unfortunatly isnt in our near future, and Allahu 3lim.

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

Here, here PurestAmbrosia, you get my vote for President lol

Regarding the freedom of speach sister, this has been a problem for lawmakers and leaders for centuries. We all accept that certain topics should be taboo because they offend the masses. A great example is religion, mocking or ridiculing religion should be outside freedom of speach but of course that would mean Muslims could not say anything bad about Jews or Christians. To say that they are wrong or going against Allah could become illegal. Where does it stop? Who would judge what is allowed and what is not. I am truly offended by some things people say - even some Muslims - but I have to accept their right to say it.

So am I saying people should be allowed to make a naked chocolate Jesus (pbuh) NO I amm not. Clearly this is offensive but it is not illegal. It was stopped because people used their voicess but they didn't go into streets and burn buildings.

Why can't we just open our mouths and say "hey we dont think thats right"? I certainly can and do. When those awful cartoons appeared the women in my town refused to buy anything from that country, the shops have now stocking produce from that country because we wont buy it - money talks. I sent emails to the newspapers and government of the country. Imagine going to the office on Monday and finding 1.5 billion emails of complaint - I think you'd get the message.

I know i would get the message lol. But anyway, We as Muslims arent suppose to bad mouth christians and jews anyway, whats the wisdom behind it? Because we dont want them turning around and doing the same to us. Bad mouthing someone, and simply telling them what you believe and why what they believe is incorrect to you, are two total different things...in my very humble opinon anyway.

 

[Hashim_507]

I am just offended about this whole chocolate Jesus event; Jesus (A.S) is a prophet. Also he is beloved prophet like Prophet Mohamed (P.B.U.H); that goes for all prophets.

 

[جوري]

well sister... pls don't be sad... this is G-D's will in plan... he will not change what is in people's heart until they change themselves... you have Egypt and Singapore having their Miss universe pageant... trying really hard to get out of their skin... and you are right once you become something other than what you are, you'll neither be the best you nor the best of what you are trying to imitate... They are too busy, singing and dancing and what pains me is they never want to take American's technology or advancement in science or or or... they just want to take the under belly... this verse from the Quran says it all to me!

فَلَا تَهِنُوا وَتَدْعُوا إِلَى السَّلْمِ وَأَنتُمُ الْأَعْلَوْنَ وَاللَّهُ مَعَكُمْ وَلَن يَتِرَكُمْ أَعْمَالَكُمْ {35}​

[Shakir 47:35] And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught.
[Yusufali 47:35] Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds.
[Pickthal 47:35] So do not falter and cry out for peace when ye (will be) the uppermost, and Allah is with you, and He will not grudge (the reward of) your actions.

 

[samah12]

I know i would get the message lol. But anyway, We as Muslims arent suppose to bad mouth christians and jews anyway, whats the wisdom behind it? Because we dont want them turning around and doing the same to us. Bad mouthing someone, and simply telling them what you believe and why what they believe is incorrect to you, are two total different things...in my very humble opinon anyway.

I agree completely but there will always be some group in any society that disagrees with what you are saying. I wasn't saying if we bad mouth them. Without freedom of speach, if I were to say Jesus (pbuh) was not the son of G-d Christians could complain and it could become illegal to say this. It is just one of those issues that is so difficult because no-one really knows where to draw the line.

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

well sister... pls don't be sad... this is G-D's will in plan... he will not change what is in people's heart until they change themselves... you have Egypt and Singapore having their Miss universe pageant... trying really hard to get out of their skin... and you are right once you become something other than what you are, you'll neither be the best you nor the best of what you are trying to imitate... They are too busy, singing and dancing and what pains me is they never want to take American's technology or advancement in science or or or... they just want to take the under belly... this verse from the Quran says it all to me!

فَلَا تَهِنُوا وَتَدْعُوا إِلَى السَّلْمِ وَأَنتُمُ الْأَعْلَوْنَ وَاللَّهُ مَعَكُمْ وَلَن يَتِرَكُمْ أَعْمَالَكُمْ {35}​

[Shakir 47:35] And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught.
[Yusufali 47:35] Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds.
[Pickthal 47:35] So do not falter and cry out for peace when ye (will be) the uppermost, and Allah is with you, and He will not grudge (the reward of) your actions.

yeah...But how many people ponder and reflect?

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

I agree completely but there will always be some group in any society that disagrees with what you are saying. I wasn't saying if we bad mouth them. Without freedom of speach, if I were to say Jesus (pbuh) was not the son of G-d Christians could complain and it could become illegal to say this. It is just one of those issues that is so difficult because no-one really knows where to draw the line.

True, i guess thats why we have to save ourselves and our families. We just have to be the best people we can be.

 

[Hashim_507]

[Shakir 47:35] And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught.
[Yusufali 47:35] Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds.
[Pickthal 47:35] So do not falter and cry out for peace when ye (will be) the uppermost, and Allah is with you, and He will not grudge (the reward of) your actions.

Surah Shakir or Pickthal are unknown to me..

 

[جوري]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Pickthall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Yusuf_Ali

 

[barney]

Since Isa is a prophet of islam, will there be the same outrage at this as the cartoons of Mohammed?

And how come there wasnt any embassys burned after monty pythons "life of brian" mocked Isa?

 

[Hashim_507]

Lol i did now knew it was translators; i was confused for a a bit. I get used to reading arabic.

 

[جوري]

Don't worry about it... I like marmaduke pickthall very much I saw it as an opportunity to include a somewhat deficient wikipdea article about him... I need to retire from this forum. sigh........

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

Don't worry about it... I like marmaduke pickthall very much I saw it as an opportunity to include a somewhat deficient wikipdea article about him... I need to retire from this forum. sigh........

lol i heard that. This forum is highly addictive and moreover ive been on here all day..:-[

 

[جوري]

lol i heard that. This forum is highly addictive and moreover ive been on here all day..:-[

lol... I can think of worst ways to spend a sunday... but I can also think of better....... so long as you are learning and expressing yourself it is all good... I admit I detest getting into vain discourse which more often than not ends up happening!!!

aight gnight to you my dear sisters and brothers

 

[.:Umniyah:.]

lol... I can think of worst ways to spend a sunday... but I can also think of better....... so long as you are learning and expressing yourself it is all good... I admit I detest getting into vain discourse which more often than not ends up happening!!!

aight gnight to you my dear sisters and brothers

lol yeah iknow.

Goodnight sis