Christian claim that Trinity is like saying “1 X 1 X 1 = 1”

[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you brother Abz2000; son of Adam;

What you described as the oneness in love and agreement or purpose sounds good,

It is probably as much as we could both have some sense of agreement on

but it still doesn't explain how that makes Jesus God or God Jesus,

This is where we have two separate understandings of 'one' Jesus, which we may never agree on, and this is where it is said doctrine and beliefs separate people; but love unites.

But it still doesn't make us God And the verse used to justify the trinity has a similar verse which applies to all humanity.

We pray to God our Father, and this makes us sons of God.

So it still leaves us back at square one in terms of the idea of a trinity which was resolved on at Nicea despite the strong opposition to such an interpretation.

All that I can think of saying now is that we can still be one in purpose, love, and friendship, despite our differences; and its past my bedtime.

Every blessing to you and your family.

Eric

 

[MustafaMc]

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Just some thoughts; how can a Christian wife and a Muslim husband be as one when they disagree with much of their faith? It seems that love must break down these barriers, the husband loves his wife as he loves himself, the wife loves her husband as she loves herself, and they can then become as ‘one’

Eric, peace be upon you as one who is forever searching for God and all that is good.

This is an interesting point. Regardless of the love between a Christian wife and a Muslim husband, if they are honest with themselves, then they acknowledge that there is a monumental distance between their hearts. A Christian believes that 'no one comes to the Father except through the Son' (couldn't find the verse) and the Muslim believes that 'the only religion acceptable by Allah is Islam' (Quran 3:85). Do they REALLY believe they will be together in Heaven? I believe that deep down these two realize that the most fundamental element of their being (belief about the unseen) is at odds with the other. How can a Muslim man feel as 'one' with a wife who does not pray and fast with him? To me this is an illustration of separation - not oneness - in their relationship.

Even in the most perfect marriage there is always the possibility that the 'one' will become two again through divorce. In reality they always were two because we know that they were never irreversibly fused and because 1 is not a divisable number. You can never split an apple and have two apples.

There are only two numbers that are equal at the same time to their square root and their product and that is zero and one. We know that since God exists, He can't be 'zero'. We both believe that God is 'One'. The only difference is in our respective concepts of what the One God is.

The Muslim concept of the One God is represented by Surah Al-Ikhlas Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He begets not nor was begotten and there is none comparable unto Him. and by the shahadah 'La ilaha ila Allah' 'There is no god but Allah'. There is elegance in simplicity.

The Christian concept of the One God is a mystery comprised of three coexistent, coeternal and coequal Persons with the most emphasised being the Father and the Son (Jesus). However, the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father - the Son sits at the right hand of the Father and he submits his own will to Him as in the Garden of Gethsemane. The most obvious illustration to me of the distinction of the three persons as not equal to One God is in the baptism of Jesus in Matthew 3:16-17 After being baptized, Jesus (1=Son) came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God (2=Holy Spirit) descending as a dove and lighting on him (1=Son), and behold, a voice out of the heavens (3=Father) said, “ This is My beloved Son (1=Son), in whom I (3=Father) am well-pleased.” These three obviously were distinct and not an illustration of Divine Unity. There is confusion in compexity.

The critical point is, "Is Jesus God?" Which is answered in the Quran 5:116-117 And when Allah said: O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? He said: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then You knew it. You know what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Your Mind. Lo! You, only You, are the Knower of Things Hidden. I spake unto them only that which You commanded me, (saying): Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when You took me You were the Watcher over them. You are Witness over all things.

 

[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you brother Abz2000;

Well, if ur a son of Adam, it makes u naturally a brother in humanity

If we look to the immediate sons of Adam in the Bible, we find out that one of them, Kane, killed his brother Abel, so hopefully there is a greater meaning to brotherly love.

In the spirit of praying for a meaningful unity.

Eric

 

[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc my friend;

There are only two numbers that are equal at the same time to their square root and their product and that is zero and one. We know that since God exists, He can't be 'zero'. We both believe that God is 'One'. The only difference is in our respective concepts of what the One God is.

I am not sure that Jesus was giving us a new teaching about mathematics when he talked about the Father, Son and Spirit being 'one'; there has to be some deeper meaning, and I believe it is to do with their relationships, purpose and unity. I am not sure there is any perfect analogy about man that can describe God, however there are many imperfect analogies, and here is one.

A Muslim husband and wife are married for life, they put Allah first, their partner second and themselves third, if they agreed on things, did things together and gave Allah the glory for all the good that happened, then they could be regarded as ‘one’ despite there being two separate people.

In theory all Catholics should be as ‘one’ with all other Christians, but that loving unity is lacking.

The critical point is, "Is Jesus God?"

Sadly we have to agree to disagree, but how can we be as one, despite all our differences?

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith tolerance and friendship.

Eric

 

[MustafaMc]

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Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc my friend;

And the same to you, Eric H, I consider you as my friend as well :statisfie

I am not sure that Jesus was giving us a new teaching about mathematics when he talked about the Father, Son and Spirit being 'one'; there has to be some deeper meaning, and I believe it is to do with their relationships, purpose and unity. I am not sure there is any perfect analogy about man that can describe God, however there are many imperfect analogies, and here is one.

Yes, you are right that human analogies are woefully inadequate to convey understandings of our respective concepts of the One God.

Since becoming a Muslim, the concept of Trinity has become increasingly confusing to me and it conflicts with my present understanding of the One God. I imagine that my frustration comes across as hostile, but it is not meant to be a personal attack. Perhaps you as a Christian can point out the deficiencies (from your perspective) in the Islamic concept of the One God that are fulfilled uniquely by Christian understanding of the Trinity. Central to this approach would be showing in what way Jesus was 'God Incarnate'. As a former Christian, I remember acceptance of Jesus as the 'Son of God' and literally 'God on Earth' and that he died on the cross for my sins as being essential to salvation from the Hellfire. I know you as a kind and loving person and I can imagine that you want salvation for me as I do for you. Perhaps you hold back on sharing what you believe is the Truth because you don't want to be seen as promoting a religion other than Islam on an Islamic forum.

A Muslim husband and wife are married for life, they put Allah first, their partner second and themselves third, if they agreed on things, did things together and gave Allah the glory for all the good that happened, then they could be regarded as ‘one’ despite there being two separate people.

On this point I agree.

Sadly we have to agree to disagree, but how can we be as one, despite all our differences?

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith tolerance and friendship.

Eric

I am reminded of this ayat Quran 5:82 "...And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians..." and I see you and glo as falling into this category.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

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[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc my friend;

Since becoming a Muslim, the concept of Trinity has become increasingly confusing to me and it conflicts with my present understanding of the One God.

There are passages in both Islam and Christianity that says God chooses us, if God has chosen you through Islam, it is not for me to fight against God by trying to influence your beliefs. It stands to reason that Christian beliefs will sound wrong to you, if God has chosen your path through Islam. I sincerely believe this to be the truth,

I imagine that my frustration comes across as hostile, but it is not meant to be a personal attack.

I have never found anything that you have said to be hostile, and if we were neighbours then I would be happy to call on you as a friend.

Perhaps you as a Christian can point out the deficiencies (from your perspective) in the Islamic concept of the One God that are fulfilled uniquely by Christian understanding of the Trinity.

Again I would say that God has placed Islam in your life as a way of guiding you, who am I to fight against God by trying to change your beliefs. I would also say that God has placed me firmly within the Catholic Church, to influence change within my life,

Central to this approach would be showing in what way Jesus was 'God Incarnate'. As a former Christian, I remember acceptance of Jesus as the 'Son of God' and literally 'God on Earth' and that he died on the cross for my sins as being essential to salvation from the Hellfire.

agreed

I know you as a kind and loving person and I can imagine that you want salvation for me as I do for you.

Agreed, and I have to accept that you will live the rest of your life as a devout Muslim.

Perhaps you hold back on sharing what you believe is the Truth because you don't want to be seen as promoting a religion other than Islam on an Islamic forum.

I try and promote the religion of interfaith patience, tolerance and friendship.

I am reminded of this ayat Quran 5:82 "...And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians..." and I see you and glo as falling into this category.

Thank you, and you are very kind.

Every blessing to you and your family

Eric

 

[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you FreakOffALeash;

I watched the first video through, and found myself becoming cross, and this is something that goes against my nature. It reminded me of political broadcasts, I feel that over 90 percent of the broadcast is dedicated to rubbishing the opposition, and very little is dedicated to saying what the party stands for.

Some years ago the Churches Together Group that I attended had the opportunity to invite a speaker to talk about Islam, the speaker had been a Muslim, but had turned away from Islam and became a Christian. I stood up and objected saying, that if I was to learn about Islam; it should be from a practicing Muslim, and not from someone who had turned away from Islam.

In the same way, when I listened to the video link you posted, it was from an atheist who had studied Christianity and turned to Islam. At the end of his message he tried to promote a book he had written, and it seemed like a money making exercise.

I strongly disagree with his views and could argue against most things he said, but this is an Islamic Forum and I am a guest, and arguing achieves very little apart from an argument.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

Eric

 

[Kyle]

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I mean, if you want the Trinity to work, you can compare it to the likes of a three-leaf clover. Three leaves, one clover. What I fail to understand though is how Jesus can be God, Son of Man, and Son of God at the same time! I ask you to review historical transcripts of the Bible... the "Son of God" is seldom mentioned in the Gospels, and were later added. It was really Paul who developed the idea of Jesus as the Son of God. Read your Gospels yourself, without doing the research, and you will quickly see that the term "Son of God" is seldom mentioned. To me, the Trinity is complicated and never really made sense to me. I mean, it did, but not complete sense, certainly not common sense. But, to each their own.

#Ex-Christian

 

[MustafaMc]

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There are passages in both Islam and Christianity that says God chooses us, if God has chosen you through Islam, it is not for me to fight against God by trying to influence your beliefs.

Thank you for your kind response, Eric H. I understand that you believe that God guides some people to Christianity and some to Islam and some to other religions and that each way is equally valid as a True faith and way to live one's life. I believe that white is white and white is not black as an analogy for our respective conflicting beliefs about God. I believe this is a matter of supreme importance. I struggle with the concept of Jesus being God Incarnate even though I once believed it myself which is in and of itself hard for me to comprehend now. I am left with the conclusion that I was either misled when I was a Christian or I am misled now as a Muslim.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

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Greetings and peace be with you FreakOffALeash;

I watched the first video through, and found myself becoming cross, and this is something that goes against my nature. It reminded me of political broadcasts, I feel that over 90 percent of the broadcast is dedicated to rubbishing the opposition, and very little is dedicated to saying what the party stands for.

Some years ago the Churches Together Group that I attended had the opportunity to invite a speaker to talk about Islam, the speaker had been a Muslim, but had turned away from Islam and became a Christian. I stood up and objected saying, that if I was to learn about Islam; it should be from a practicing Muslim, and not from someone who had turned away from Islam.

In the same way, when I listened to the video link you posted, it was from an atheist who had studied Christianity and turned to Islam. At the end of his message he tried to promote a book he had written, and it seemed like a money making exercise.

I strongly disagree with his views and could argue against most things he said, but this is an Islamic Forum and I am a guest, and arguing achieves very little apart from an argument.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

Eric

I am no Muslim dude .
I have heard this mans debates but issue is he rambles on like James Lipton (but not as creepy) and doesnt back up his words. But a little researching and his words can be backed up. Being an Atheist and joining Islam yet studying Christianity makes him a bit more credible for me unless I got it backwards. But his teachings are right on the spot for me honestly and he adds good weight to the debate.
But anyways I am a heathen who left Christianity and Islam and the best way to describe me is a Pagan Sanatana Dharmist. So dont think I am a Muslim or anything although I have a fixation on Islam :statisfie

 

[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you Kyle; welcome to the forum, and I hope you enjoy your stay.

I mean, if you want the Trinity to work, you can compare it to the likes of a three-leaf clover. Three leaves, one clover.

A man can be a son, husband and father, water can also be steam and ice, but I think all these three in one analogies miss the point.

John 10.30
The Father and I are one."

Jesus very clearly knows he is not the Father, yet he says the Father and I are one, and I believe the oneness of God refers to purpose, relationship, truth, love and unity. The opposite to being as one is disunity, in theory Christianity should be as ‘one’ because there is One God, one Jesus and the one church that Jesus founded. But we know that Christianity is divided into thousands of denominations, so we are not as one with each other.

To me, the Trinity is complicated and never really made sense to me.

It does not make sense to me when we say that God has no beginning, but I just have to accept it as true, and I have spent countless sleepless nights trying to fathom out infinity. When things do not make sense to me, there seems to be two options, there is an absence of truth in the statement; or the statement is true; but I do not understand.

In the spirit of praying to one God,

Eric

 

[glo]

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It does not make sense to me when we say that God has no beginning, but I just have to accept it as true, and I have spent countless sleepless nights trying to fathom out infinity. When things do not make sense to me, there seems to be two options, there is an absence of truth in the statement; or the statement is true; but I do not understand.

I like that, Eric.

There is much about God which we cannot fathom. One day we will see clearly and understand fully.

 

[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc; we seem to be walking a very strange path together.

Thank you for your kind response, Eric H. I understand that you believe that God guides some people to Christianity and some to Islam and some to other religions and that each way is equally valid as a True faith and way to live one's life. I believe that white is white and white is not black as an analogy for our respective conflicting beliefs about God.

I think God had quite an uphill battle creating mankind, we know best and we disobey God and we do things our way, and I include myself in this bunch of rebellious people. If God could give us just one religion, and we all adhered to it, then I believe this is what God would have done. But look at the mess we make of each religion, we divide it up into separate groups, and at times we are in conflict with each other.

Why would the same God who gave me a deep and meaningful faith and trust in him through Christianity, also give you this same faith and trust in him through Islam, it does not make sense. In fact it seems to make even less sense to me than the ‘Trinity.’ Yet I look at your faith, and the faith of many Muslims on this forum, and I have to accept that your faith has come from the same God.

Holy scriptures seem to make sense when they inspire me to change my ways and put God first in all that I do. Scriptures seem to be less effective when I use my scriptures to try and influence you to change your ways, God has chosen you through Islam.

How can Muslims and Christians become as one? We can’t believe the same, but I do believe that we can live in peace, strive for justice, help each other, share things together and pray for each other.

I am left with the conclusion that I was either misled when I was a Christian or I am misled now as a Muslim.

Or maybe your faith journey is more complete and you have benefited from both journeys in ways that you do not understand as yet. God works in mysterious ways, the only thing you can do is strive to do your best now, where he has placed you now.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric

 

[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you FreakOffALeash;

I am no Muslim dude .

You could say, I am not a Muslim at this moment in time.

So dont think I am a Muslim or anything although I have a fixation on Islam :statisfie

Thats a starting point, you just have to do something.

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

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Greetings and peace be with you FreakOffALeash;


You could say, I am not a Muslim at this moment in time.



Thats a starting point, you just have to do something.

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric

I was a Muslim for little over 2 weeks actually although I had read my fair share of Islam plenty before that. I just had doubts with Abrahamic faiths as a whole and just switched to something that matched my personal intellect and was actually credible. So i became a Sanatana Dharmist(Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Jain).

Regarding the trinity I will say this. If you go through your bible and sorry for not quoting verses but it is 1 Am and I am to lazy.
Jesus only claimed divinity by stating God the Son God the father and god the holy spirit but issue is this part is easily confirmed as corrupted and without it Jesus claims no divinity.
Another issue that when god says "let us make man in our image" is that God has no image, he has no face and he is not human nor are angels. Angels are told to have 3 heads 10 wings and be giants along with many other creepy and often disturbing images from the Nephilim and onwards. Angels have been said to appear in human image but by all means are not human originally. Angel means messenger (not messenger like FedEx) but soldier, to be "messenged" which is a context that doesnt exist in modern english. So obviously we are not made to look like Angels as we are not creatures designed for war or Godly duties. And the original name that was used to describe god was Elohim which is plural. All names such as Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah all have native(pagan) origins because there is no other words to describe god but int he native language used before hand. Imagine god coming to Muhammad and saying "I am Zakami(japanese for The God)". Muhammad wouldnt know who that was because he obviously didnt speak Japanese so god had to tell Muhammad is name in his native tongue which was "Allah al-Ibrahim". The Issue is when the term Elohim was used it was pagan. Meaning somewhat wrote down the pagan usage of "gods" which was an pre christian pantheon referencing to a plurality of gods.
The reason Jews and Muslims say the Bible is either false or corrupted is because they know the original and literal translations while westerners dont. So Jews and Muslim more often know the bible better then most Christians.

I personally believe Jesus is the son of god but remember God does not have sons so in literal sense it would be that Jesus like all things are the creations of god. I believe nt he Holy spirit and Jesus but ai donot believe God is 3 things in one, jesus and holy spirit are SEPARATE entities beside god. Jesus is clearly quoted saying that god works through him and that he and the HOlY Spirit are INDIVIDUAL beings. So they cannot be one because that would contradict everything. God cannot be one in 3 things if each of the three have minds of their own.
All trains have numerous cabs but each cab doesnt have a engine(mind) of its own but if they did then each cab would be a separate train.
So if you do or dont believe int he trinity then your contradicting something one side of the Bible yet believing in the other. Trinity is only a western concept and is not common in eastern Christianity as it mimics the Sanatana Dharma and the usage of avatars. So either way the Bible is obviously corrupted as it uses a lot of native language that contradicts itself.

Sorry if my writing is poor but I drank some "fine spirits" and am very tired :hmm: . Please forgive me If I am just rambling :embarrass

 

[MustafaMc]

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Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc; we seem to be walking a very strange path together.

Peaceful greetings to you, my friend, Eric H. Your perspective is more inclusive and less divisive than mine. I have a problem in understanding how God can reveal to Paul the Christian plan of salvation that centers upon Jesus being the only begotten Son of God and yet God incarnate and reveal to Muhammad (pbuh) that Jesus (as) was not Allah or the Son of Allah. I remember the passage in the Quran when upon being cast out, Iblees promised to lead astray much of humanity. From my perspective either Saul on the Damascus road or Muhammad in the cave was misled by an imposter spirit. This makes more sense to me than God providing conflicting revelations to mankind that are equally valid.

I have walked both paths and of course I believe the Islamic one is the Straight Way. I am the only Muslim in my entire family and I often go weeks at a time (when I miss Jumu'ah) without even seeing another Muslim. I feel like I am surrounded by people being led astray in the manner of the 'Pied Piper of Hamlin' and feel a responsibility to try to get the children to not follow him away.

I think God had quite an uphill battle creating mankind, we know best and we disobey God and we do things our way, and I include myself in this bunch of rebellious people. If God could give us just one religion, and we all adhered to it, then I believe this is what God would have done. But look at the mess we make of each religion, we divide it up into separate groups, and at times we are in conflict with each other.

I believe that God could have created one religion and kept all others from becoming established, but I see this as part of the test in this life with regards to the choices we make. I have yet to come to grips with how God chooses some to be guided and others are left astray. I presume that I was chosen (hence my name Mustafa) to see the truth of Islam and to be led out of the darkness of ascribing partners with God, but in a strange sense I have deep feelings of 'survivor guilt' like the sole survivor of a platoon that gets wiped out in battle. I ask myself, "What did I ever do to deserve being shown the truth, while all of my family is yet astray?" Perhaps this is a sign of lack of understanding on my part, but I see that you and others are equally sincere in your faith as I am in mine and it bothers me that we have conflicting beliefs. I feel that one of us must be right and the other must be wrong. In the end though I know that I have enough concerns for my own salvation, but I would prefer to have others see what I do. I am reminded of several passages in the Quran where I understood that Muhammad (pbuh) had this same desire for guidance for others around him who were astray.

Why would the same God who gave me a deep and meaningful faith and trust in him through Christianity, also give you this same faith and trust in him through Islam, it does not make sense. In fact it seems to make even less sense to me than the ‘Trinity.’ Yet I look at your faith, and the faith of many Muslims on this forum, and I have to accept that your faith has come from the same God.

I do believe there is truth in this statement that nothing happens except that it is the will of God for it to do so. There is much good in the Christian faith particularly with regards to loving God first and foremost and then loving our fellow brothers and sisters in humanity next. Each of us will be judged first and foremost for what is in our heart and I know that there is more darkness in my own heart that precludes me from judging what is in someone else's heart.

Holy scriptures seem to make sense when they inspire me to change my ways and put God first in all that I do. Scriptures seem to be less effective when I use my scriptures to try and influence you to change your ways, God has chosen you through Islam.

Guidance comes only from God, but I feel we have a responsibility to share our understandings of truth with others who don't see that truth.

How can Muslims and Christians become as one? We can’t believe the same, but I do believe that we can live in peace, strive for justice, help each other, share things together and pray for each other.

I agree with you 100% and I have appreciated my interactions with you. Mutual respect for the other's right to choose his own religion and tolerance for differences is a very good thing in my opinion.

Or maybe your faith journey is more complete and you have benefited from both journeys in ways that you do not understand as yet. God works in mysterious ways, the only thing you can do is strive to do your best now, where he has placed you now.

I rather doubt that my faith journey is more complete becasue if it was my heart would not be as troubled by matters such as we have discussed. I struggle with my questions and my imperfections, but I agree you and I should continue to strive to do and be the best that we can realizing our human limitations.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric

In the spirit of mutual respect and praying for guidance to true faith,

Mustafa

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

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Out of our immense love for them both, we testify that Jesus, son of Mary, and his mother, are but honored servants of Allah, The One, The Absolute!

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And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me." And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants. (The Prophets v. 25-26)

 

[MustafaMc]

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Eric, I watched this video and thought of you.

 

[Eric H]

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Greetings and peace be with you as always MustafaMc;

I ask myself, "What did I ever do to deserve being shown the truth, while all of my family is yet astray?"

If God were to judge me fairly and justly, then I would not achieve salvation for the things I have done in my life.
If I ever achieve salvation, it will not be through my own efforts, rather it will be because God is not only just, but is forgiving and merciful. If God can forgive me, then I pray that he can forgive all people. Even if I killed someone, God could then raise that person to a better and eternal life, God can put right all my wrong doings.
I have family and friends of many religions and no religion, I pray that they might all have eternal salvation, even if they do not become a Catholic as I am, and somehow this helps me find an inner peace.

In the spirit of praying for mercy and forgiveness for all people

Eric