Christian Heart?

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You are absolutely right Insaanah. Moderation for Islam.

We got sidetracked into the 'politics' territory.:D
 
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GodIsAll said:
I would be curious to hear from Muslims on this topic. Do some mosques seem more to "lead with love" and other seem to "threaten hellfire"?
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My Islamic teacher did not teach hell as a threat, but they taught hell as a consequence. They did not say "you will go to hell if you are not walk on this path". What they taught was "if you walk on the right path, you will go to heaven. If you walk on the wrong path, you will go to hell".

I had never been studied in the madrasas. but Alhamdulillah, I was able to learn directly from Islamic teacher. They taught not just prayer or fasting, but also how to be a true Muslim, which provide benefits to the people around me.

There are so many lessons about love and caring that I was taught as a command of the Prophet. My teacher said that the Prophet ordered Muslims to loving parents, relatives, orphans, the poor.

Yes, in Islam, love the other is a commandment.
 
Just look at the Westboro Baptist Church. Christian hearts, indeed.
And the threat of eternal hell has never scared me, it just seemed manipulative.
There are better ways to get a message across than threatening someone.
Even though I understand that most religions have a hell of some sort,
I'd be much more inclined to a religion that shows me the goodness of its teachings.
 
Taqwa is not just "fear" but rather "reverential fear". A state of awareness/consciousness.

To be able to reach a state of ihsan one must have taqwa.

What is ihsan? It is "excellence".
Described in a hadith as "To worship Allah as though you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is seeing you."

Is this not a state of awareness? How can someone achieve this state if they do not have taqwa?

So the talk of Imams scaring people with Hell. It is to remind people to be aware. ​
 
Camilla said:
Just look at the Westboro Baptist Church. Christian hearts, indeed.
And the threat of eternal hell has never scared me, it just seemed manipulative.
There are better ways to get a message across than threatening someone.
Even though I understand that most religions have a hell of some sort,
I'd be much more inclined to a religion that shows me the goodness of its teachings.
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I agree.

I hope you don't think the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of Christianity on the whole though. :)
 
Hulk said:
Taqwa is not just "fear" but rather "reverential fear". A state of awareness/consciousness.

To be able to reach a state of ihsan one must have taqwa.

What is ihsan? It is "excellence".
Described in a hadith as "To worship Allah as though you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is seeing you."

Is this not a state of awareness? How can someone achieve this state if they do not have taqwa?

So the talk of Imams scaring people with Hell. It is to remind people to be aware. ​
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I was talking about my personal experience with various Christian pastors.
I don't really have any experience with the Muslim faith.
But, I feel like Hell was used as a threat. You should be a good person and do good things because its the right thing to do, you shouldn't be threatened into it.
 
glo said:


I agree.

I hope you don't think the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of Christianity on the whole though. :)
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No, I completely understand. Every religion has that one group that no one really wants to acknowledge.
 
Camilla said:
No, I completely understand. Every religion has that one group that no one really wants to acknowledge.
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I would go as far as saying every group has that one (or more) section(s) they would rather not associate themselves with.
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glo said:


I would go as far as saying every group has that one (or more) section(s) they would rather not associate themselves with.
;D
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Haha, you're undoubtedly right. But, unfortunately, these smaller groups are much louder and get more press and recognition, painting all the normal people n a poor light.
 
Camilla said:
Haha, you're undoubtedly right. But, unfortunately, these smaller groups are much louder and get more press and recognition, painting all the normal people n a poor light.
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Sad but true. Usually those are the people on the more extreme ends of the spectrum.

On a more serious note, I think that's the reason why 'the rest' should never stop speaking out against those amongst their groups which do wrong and cause problems.
 
glo said:

Sad but true. Usually those are the people on the more extreme ends of the spectrum.

On a more serious note, I think that's the reason why 'the rest' should never stop speaking out against those amongst their groups which do wrong and cause problems.
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I agree, and for the most part people do stand up against the fanatics. But bad behavior gets sensationalized, it's almost a reward. The best thing the media can do is jus ignore it and stop drawing attention to it.
 
Yes, perhaps if people from within spoke out more and people on the outside shut up and stopped meddling, things could work out a lot better in many cases.
Food for thought ... :)
 
The thread by [MENTION=36764]StrivingforDeen[/MENTION], jogged my memory of this thread I started.

This Old timer member is still clueless as to the trick of posting a link. I have to fish out the post :p

Hope it helps..

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