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Islam is a religion of peace. And like Catholicism it allows for self defense. And like Islam Catholicism is a religion of peace.
There are many cases through history of Muslims admiring Christians. This occurred in the middle ages for example
The Muslim scholar Brother Jubayir go so far to say that Muslims in the crusader states found more justice than they did in their own Islamic lands at the time. That is to say that the Muslims were treated fairly by the franks and European Catholics in the crusader states. This is specifically a point to prove that it would be wrong to suggest that the franks or Europeans eliminated non-Christians in the crusader states of the Levant.
The French Historian Rene Grousset in his work "The Epic of the Crusades" uses the proper methods of historical study to showcase that yes some of the crusaders were violent, intolerant and lacked the values of a Knight...but otoh many of the European Christians from France, England, Germany, Italy and more were honorable and had sincere goals such of retaking lands that were once under Christian rule, such as the Levant areas...being able to provide safe passage to Christians seeking a religious trip to the Holy Land.. I will provide the thoughts of Grousett on key figures of the first crusade and of how the Christians themselves viewed their Muslim counterparts, Godfrey of Bouillon hails from Lower Lorraine(also known as Brabant). Godfreys mother was the heiress of the dukes of Brabant, and Godfreys father was the Count of Boulogne-sur-Mer, in the Kingdom of France.
The following is how Grousset describes Godfrey. Phyiscally he was the typical Northern Knight. Very tall, broad chested with strong limbs, but a high narrow waist, and bright gold hair and a beard. Godfrey was a great hunter and was said to have a run in with a bear in Cilicia nearing dying in the encounter. Godfrey was a very strong man, a highly capable Knight. Prior to becoming his own ruler in Jerusalem, Godfrey was under The Emperor of Germany Henry IV whom Grousset said mistreated Godfrey, nonetheless Godfrey remained loyal to Henry IV due to the pious and kind nature of Godfrey. Godrey was a very dedicated Catholic, praying so much that fellow Christians would sometimes complain to Godfrey that he was praying so much that their supper would get cold. But that was the kind of man Godfrey was, putting God first, being humble, dignified and righteous. Godfrey would dress in a simple fashion, Godfrey was not into riches or pursuing wealth. Godfrey was a very wise leader, so much though that after some of those of Peoples Crusade pillaged Hungary, Godfrey was able to convince the Hungarians to allow Godrey and his men safe passage through Hungary and onto eventually Jerusalem. Godfrey was so capable that he was able to reassure the very Hungarians whom were mistreated by some of those of the Peoples Crusade. And Godfrey and his army marched right through Hungary toward the Holy Land with no issue. I will say page 31 of The Epic of the Crusades actually brings up the bloodshed at Jerusalem. We even get to hear the famous William of Tyre providing a bloody description of the Battle of Jerusalem. This was 1,000 years ago warfare of the time involving swords and shields were to be bloody, and Jews and Muslims also took part in violent wars. By July 1099, Jerusalem was in Catholic hands again. Btw Godfrey was a very important military leader. Only three weeks after Taking Jerusalem , a huge Muslim army from Egypt which had entered Palestine led by the Vizier Al Afdal threatened to destroy the Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem. At the time there were various disagreements between Godfrey and other Catholic leaders that could have brought down the Kingdom amid an invasion. But because of Godfreys honor and pious behavior, Christians that were in argument with Godfrey such as Raymond of Saint Gilles set aside there differences… and united to save Jerusalem. Al Afdal sent in a huge forces which outnumbered the Crusaders greatly, but the Valiant Godfrey and his men surprised Al Afdal at the Battle of Ascalon resulting in a Christian victory and the security of Jerusalem for decades to come. Numerous accounts suggest that Godfrey actually meant with Muslims peacefully during the time of the Kingdom of Jerusalem…that speaks volumes to me. Pages 34-35 of The Epic of the Crusades talks at length about the respect that Muslims had for Godfrey. Godfrey due to his soft spoken and pious and kind nature, reminded the Muslims of none other then Muhammad himself. Arab Muslims and European Catholics in The new Kingdom had conversations with each other, they learned more and more about each other. Arabs and Franks would take up friendships with each other in The Kingdom of Jerusalem.
History shows Muslims during the so called dark ages respected The Crusader states. And btw And we can note from the Muslim side, during WW2 many Albanian heroic Muslims saved Jews from the holocaust perpetrated by German Christians. Point is that Christians and Muslims have a history of tolerance. In the past 100 years some Muslims and Christians have strayed away from true faith and into intolerance but by and large when it comes to history Christians and Muslims are on the right side morally speaking.
https://www.amazon.com/Besa-Muslims-Who-Saved-Jews/dp/0815609345
There are many cases through history of Muslims admiring Christians. This occurred in the middle ages for example
The Muslim scholar Brother Jubayir go so far to say that Muslims in the crusader states found more justice than they did in their own Islamic lands at the time. That is to say that the Muslims were treated fairly by the franks and European Catholics in the crusader states. This is specifically a point to prove that it would be wrong to suggest that the franks or Europeans eliminated non-Christians in the crusader states of the Levant.
The French Historian Rene Grousset in his work "The Epic of the Crusades" uses the proper methods of historical study to showcase that yes some of the crusaders were violent, intolerant and lacked the values of a Knight...but otoh many of the European Christians from France, England, Germany, Italy and more were honorable and had sincere goals such of retaking lands that were once under Christian rule, such as the Levant areas...being able to provide safe passage to Christians seeking a religious trip to the Holy Land.. I will provide the thoughts of Grousett on key figures of the first crusade and of how the Christians themselves viewed their Muslim counterparts, Godfrey of Bouillon hails from Lower Lorraine(also known as Brabant). Godfreys mother was the heiress of the dukes of Brabant, and Godfreys father was the Count of Boulogne-sur-Mer, in the Kingdom of France.
The following is how Grousset describes Godfrey. Phyiscally he was the typical Northern Knight. Very tall, broad chested with strong limbs, but a high narrow waist, and bright gold hair and a beard. Godfrey was a great hunter and was said to have a run in with a bear in Cilicia nearing dying in the encounter. Godfrey was a very strong man, a highly capable Knight. Prior to becoming his own ruler in Jerusalem, Godfrey was under The Emperor of Germany Henry IV whom Grousset said mistreated Godfrey, nonetheless Godfrey remained loyal to Henry IV due to the pious and kind nature of Godfrey. Godrey was a very dedicated Catholic, praying so much that fellow Christians would sometimes complain to Godfrey that he was praying so much that their supper would get cold. But that was the kind of man Godfrey was, putting God first, being humble, dignified and righteous. Godfrey would dress in a simple fashion, Godfrey was not into riches or pursuing wealth. Godfrey was a very wise leader, so much though that after some of those of Peoples Crusade pillaged Hungary, Godfrey was able to convince the Hungarians to allow Godrey and his men safe passage through Hungary and onto eventually Jerusalem. Godfrey was so capable that he was able to reassure the very Hungarians whom were mistreated by some of those of the Peoples Crusade. And Godfrey and his army marched right through Hungary toward the Holy Land with no issue. I will say page 31 of The Epic of the Crusades actually brings up the bloodshed at Jerusalem. We even get to hear the famous William of Tyre providing a bloody description of the Battle of Jerusalem. This was 1,000 years ago warfare of the time involving swords and shields were to be bloody, and Jews and Muslims also took part in violent wars. By July 1099, Jerusalem was in Catholic hands again. Btw Godfrey was a very important military leader. Only three weeks after Taking Jerusalem , a huge Muslim army from Egypt which had entered Palestine led by the Vizier Al Afdal threatened to destroy the Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem. At the time there were various disagreements between Godfrey and other Catholic leaders that could have brought down the Kingdom amid an invasion. But because of Godfreys honor and pious behavior, Christians that were in argument with Godfrey such as Raymond of Saint Gilles set aside there differences… and united to save Jerusalem. Al Afdal sent in a huge forces which outnumbered the Crusaders greatly, but the Valiant Godfrey and his men surprised Al Afdal at the Battle of Ascalon resulting in a Christian victory and the security of Jerusalem for decades to come. Numerous accounts suggest that Godfrey actually meant with Muslims peacefully during the time of the Kingdom of Jerusalem…that speaks volumes to me. Pages 34-35 of The Epic of the Crusades talks at length about the respect that Muslims had for Godfrey. Godfrey due to his soft spoken and pious and kind nature, reminded the Muslims of none other then Muhammad himself. Arab Muslims and European Catholics in The new Kingdom had conversations with each other, they learned more and more about each other. Arabs and Franks would take up friendships with each other in The Kingdom of Jerusalem.
History shows Muslims during the so called dark ages respected The Crusader states. And btw And we can note from the Muslim side, during WW2 many Albanian heroic Muslims saved Jews from the holocaust perpetrated by German Christians. Point is that Christians and Muslims have a history of tolerance. In the past 100 years some Muslims and Christians have strayed away from true faith and into intolerance but by and large when it comes to history Christians and Muslims are on the right side morally speaking.
https://www.amazon.com/Besa-Muslims-Who-Saved-Jews/dp/0815609345
