Christianity Vs. Islam

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PrIM3 said:
please I don't understand what you are meaning... God had to create His Word? like i've been trying to ask you... was God ever maimed?
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Jesus is a creation of God, in the sense that adam is a creation of God! Yes. God has to only speack his word "be" for a thing to happen!

Care to explain, the whole John 1 is not found anywhere in the bible, and secondly can you make any sense out of it?

See here: http://www.islamicboard.com/240409-post9.html
 
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hidden_treasure said:
Thank you Eric...you seem like a nice person.

The veil is an honour for the muslim women. I love the fact that no man can see me... (i cover everything except my eyes)...therefore i am not looked upon with perversity, as a mere sexual object to be exploited. No man can flirt with me, judge me on my beauty, they have no rights to me or my body. I am for my husbands eyes only...i feel as though i am a hidden treasure..hence the name..
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It is common, among rich people, to have replica's made of fine-expensive jewelry. Then the real jewelry is left in a safe place where no-one can see it, and the false jewelry is displayed. I have never undesrtood the point of that.
 
Hello and Peace,
Skillganon

Skillganon said:
Jesus is a creation of God, in the sense that adam is a creation of God! Yes. God has to only speack his word "be" for a thing to happen!

Care to explain, the whole John 1 is not found anywhere in the bible, and secondly can you make any sense out of it?

See here: http://www.islamicboard.com/240409-post9.html
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and what I am saying is Jesus IS that Word.

John 1:3 Through Him (Jesus Christ = The Word ) all things were made; without Him (Jesus Christ = The Word ) nothing was made that has been made.

please tell me what you think I am saying...

I'll try to fill in the gaps for you:

Jesus-in the human FLESH is a creation of God, in the sense that adam is a creation of God! Yes. God has to only speak The Word(Jesus Christ ) "be" for a thing to happen!

what I am trying to say up above is that Jesus Christ IS the Word of God- through Him all things were created..
in Genesis God uses Christ to create things:

And God Said...

Psalm 33:6-- By the word of the Lord were the heavens made..



Psalm 119:89-- Your word, O Lord, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens..

Now from the beginning(even before) of the fall of Adam and Eve God decided to send a savior- who would it be? who would be the perfect person for this job other than the very Word of God Himself..

according to Genesis 3:15- and I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will srike his heel.
 
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Umm..... what i don't get is how god can be 3 then merge into 1. and if jesus waz the son of god how is he a god? And exactly how many bibles are out there coz i heard there are lots.:?:confused: :exhausted
 
The Orthodox Church is indeed part of the Christian community (although some Churches might disagree). But what they are doing is still not worship and they would be offended if you said so. Nowhere are Christians told to worship Mary and no Church I know of has ever said she was God.
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Heigou, well, if u get down on your knees and but your hands together(cross the fingers), and ask help from Mary, what would u call this? isn't that worship? don't u agree that God is the only one that we should ask help from? what u're saying is exactly as some african americans that call themselves ****, but they are offended if a white person call them like that .

P.S i am not trying to make any difference between races or offend anyone
 
laylatul qadar said:
Umm..... what i don't get is how god can be 3 then merge into 1. and if jesus waz the son of god how is he a god? And exactly how many bibles are out there coz i heard there are lots.:?:confused: :exhausted
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well I don't get it either but then something out there tells me that He is God and I cannot understand him.. unlike what you believe God is one and just one..

and like I have been trying to tell Skillganon is that Jesus is the Word of God.. John 1:1 states in the BEGINNING was the Word and the Word was with God and He was with God in the beginning.. before things ever took place... I guess not sure when God decided to create things.. but all I know is that Jesus is that very Word of God (that created everything) that came into Flesh. according to my understanding the term Jesus Christ means Annointed Savior.

are you confuse that we have different Bibles for different people who have different taste or..
 
Mohammed Bilal said:
its true actually i have studied the christian religion quite closely and many catholic christians believe in the trinity. Peace :)
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the way they explain it as an egg in three parts
but u come to a verse like

when jesus is praying who is he oraying and crying to himself ??/ or god ??
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Mohammed Bilal said:
its true actually i have studied the christian religion quite closely and many catholic christians believe in the trinity. Peace :)
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the way they explain it as an egg in three parts
but u come to a verse like

when jesus is praying who is he praying and crying to himself ??/ or god ??
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sheerheart1 said:
the way they explain it as an egg in three parts
but u come to a verse like

when jesus is praying who is he oraying and crying to himself ??/ or god ??
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Jesus prayed to show an example of how we should pray that is why most of the things He said..Jesus also praying showed the relationship they had together.. I came not on my own but from him, or I do nothing on my own but the will of his... How many times can you say that you ever said you are not going out tonight but I will do the will of God or Allah..?
 
vpb said:
Heigou, well, if u get down on your knees and but your hands together(cross the fingers), and ask help from Mary, what would u call this? isn't that worship? don't u agree that God is the only one that we should ask help from? what u're saying is exactly as some african americans that call themselves ****, but they are offended if a white person call them like that .
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Well there's something I haven't thought of trying recently. If I have my Catholic theology right, I would not be worshipping Mary, I would be asking for her help. Just as Muslim prayer is based on who someone behaves in a Royal Court, so too is Christian theology determined by the social milieu it came into. And in the Late Roman Empire, if you could not appeal to the Emperor, you would beg his Ministers or his Mother for help. The power resides in the Emperor still. In the same way Mary is dead. She is in Heaven. If we are too afraid to ask God for something, we can ask Mary to ask God for something for us. I do not see it is wrong to ask someone else to pray for us. But I can see how Muslims might see it. Mind you they too used to have, and some still do, "friends of God".
 
If we are too afraid to ask God for something, we can ask Mary to ask God for something for us.
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The Quraysh used the same logic for worshipping their idols. They didn't consider them to be gods per se, they considered them to be intercessors with God.

And they worship besides Allâh things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allâh." 10:18

Why is it considered polytheism to pray to Mary, Muhammed, Angel Gabriel or whatever?

1. As for human beings like Mary and Muhammed, they are dead and in their graves. They can't hear us.

2. To pray to Mary or someone else instead of praying directly to God, is to imply that God isn't fair, and that one needs to go to someone else instead of going to God. You mentioned this:

And in the Late Roman Empire, if you could not appeal to the Emperor, you would beg his Ministers or his Mother for help.
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Well, we can appeal to God and don't need to God to anyone else, because He is the epitome of Justice and will listen to our prayer.

And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright. (Al-Baqarah 2:186)

Why does someone go to a minister of the emperor or the mother of the emperor, instead of going directly to the emperor? This because one may feel that in doing so the emperor will be more willing to listen, or be fair or that the emperor might be more merciful.
But this isn't the case with God. We don't need to go to an intercessor. He'll listen to our prayer and be Just.

You wrote:

I do not see it is wrong to ask someone else to pray for us.
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It isn't wrong. The Prophets Companions used to go to the Prophet and ask him to supplicate for rain during his lifetime. What happened when he died, though? They went to his cousin, ibn 'Abbas. This is because the Prophet was in his grave and couldn't hear the people anymore, so they went to someone that could, in this case ibn 'Abbas.
There's nothing wrong with going to a Muslim brother or sister and asking him/her to pray for us, as long as this person is alive.


I was talking about how the whole intercession-deal is polytheistic.
Don't get me started on the whole "Mother of God"-deal.
 
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Malsidabym said:
Hi Ladee_Maryam,



I know you didn't right the article but, the statement above I don't really agree with. I grew up knowing God as one God. Period. If there are christians that really think God is three individuals, I personally have not met these christians. That's all I have to say right now. Peace sister. :)
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i met a lot of these christians on the bus and on my front door. There missionaries, its suprising you havent met one. But i am glad you arent one for truelly there is only one god! "AHAD!!!" :)

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bro that is so true but all i can say it is hard for some christians to believe that there is one god!

take care
 
well sis that is so true but am not saying all dont but most people even think Jesus was god :heated: !

take care
 
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