Citizenship?

[Foxhole]

So are thousands of natural born citizens.

OK then ...

 

[Sampharo]

About obeying my mother, It's really hard to obey her, because all she carres about is dunya. She keeps telling me to focus on school and leave Islam for a while. It upsets me. I don't have much respect for her.

Even if she was completely and publicly non-muslim, you obey her in whatever it is that is not disobeying God in obligations. Rasema you are on an Islamic forum asking a citizenship question, the only thing here that we can give you with a bit of knowledge is remind you of Islamic principals, and the highest of them is to obey your mother in whatever it is that she says if it is not disobeying God, and there is nothing in the citizenship that is disobeying God. The other stuff she's saying about leaving Islam practice right now and all that you don't have to obey (as long as it is obligatory, parents have the right to tell you not to pray nawafel or to not go on voluntary umra, or to not study specialized material) as long as you treat them kindly about it. Otherwise their obedience even if it was in silly Dunya matters as you think of, is part of obeying God.

Sheikh Haywa Bin Shorayh used to be in his Islamic lecturing class where he was teaching hundreds of students (what better deed to be doing for God and the afterlife) when his mother would call on him: "Haywa, get up and feed the chickens!!" And his response would be to comply without question or delay. If you spend your life praying only the required prayers without nawafel, fasting ramadan without extras, and just do your mother's requests and trying to please her to the best of your abilities, you would have spent your life better than the bowing prostating masses and would meet God having earned more good deeds on your scale than those who fasted the days and read quran all through the night (if they didn't do as you did that is, but most of such people are pious and completely devoted to their parents too). So if you are seeking Islam, this IS ISLAM, and it's an obligation you may not ignore simply because you disagree with what she requests or because you don't like her motivation Worldly superficial motivation, because you are not obeying her out of understanding her logic anyway, you're obeying her because it's the highest most righteous deed a person can do in Islam. People were turned away from Jihad and muslims went to defend against the advancing hordes of infidels outnumbered because of men asked to stay behind and take care of and please their old parents. That's how high this is.

As for the oath and all that stuff, remember that Ibrahim -pbuh- when he learned that the king of the city he was entering with his wife was getting married women's husbands killed, he lied at the gate and said she was his sister. Like many here said they wouldn't ask that army question in the first place.

Did I mention what a big deal it is to obey your mother even if you don't like it and how much you'll be rewarded for it in Islam?!

 

[vlamrko]

Rasema, don't let the stress you are under distort the value of common morality and decency professed and encouraged within Islam as well as human instinct. it does not seem to me that your mother is attempting to sabotage your faith or make you unhappy, but that she has an opinion as to what is best for you and even if you disagree you should respect and acknowledge that she is caring for you. if you do not want to take an oath accepting citizenship in America then don't, but do not lie in order to gain some convenience. either decision you make will provide you with difficulty which may seem unfair but is necessary, you step away from goodness if you seek to make it an easier trial by lying and deceiving your family. i suggest that if you don't like America then you should explore it, only if you are serious about accepting this oath, and try to find parts of it that you do like. i am a practicing Muslim and i love america like it were family to me, you should approach it open mindedly. if you expect it to be awful then it will be, but if you actively seek out things which may appeal to you then i can almost promise you that you will find them. there are thousands of Muslims here, who are safe and happy and devout. you cannot chide Americans so blatantly with generalizations and ignorance or you are no better than Westerners who chide Muslims similarly. this is a big country, there is so much left which you cannot legitimately form an opinion on until you see and experience it. for discrimination and misery, live in western australia for a year. i could kiss American ground when i returned from that nightmare.

 

[Rasema]

Thanks all

Brother Sampharo, I had to ponder over your statement that Islam is all oround me:

"Our Lord! Thou createdst not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire. (191) Our Lord! Whom Thou causest to enter the Fire: him indeed Thou hast confounded"


But this is the Islam I want:

Lo! I suffer not the work of any worker, male or female, to be lost. Ye proceed one from another. So those who fled and were driven forth from their homes and suffered damage for My cause, and fought and were slain, verily I shall remit their evil deeds from them and verily I shall bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow - A reward from Allah. And with Allah is the fairest of rewards. (195,Ali Imaran)

Not taking kufrs for friends is very hard in America, and being obligated to make a hijra to a Muslim country(unless I'm wrong) is something in conflict with this decicion.

The Islam I want I thaught is where it is easy for me to do good deeds. Once you have money just pass it on, for example, but the battle is the one within ourselves, the one I'm in right now. I knew that I was doing something wrong and I blamed my mother when it actually was me. I need patience and taqua. That is the resolution.

I will be with those I love some day, InshAllah.

And, I'll try to remember that when my mother is telling me to do something it is Allah obligating me to do it because he obligates me to be obedient to my mother.

 

[جوري]

Don't take the oath if you can't take it honestly.

The Oath to serve God is an oath of honesty.. and all of God's earth belongs to God, one wonders on God's earth and settles where s/he is best suited.. before the 'Americans' this land belonged to aboriginals who were wiped out and those left forced into a life of gambling and casinos. by the folks who want an oath of 'honesty'

say I have a good idea about do's and don'ts..
if you don't like it here, or what the members have to say here, then don't be a member here.. does that sound like a plan?

now do us all a favor and tinkle your pearls else where..

 

[YusufNoor]

And you would consider swearing an oath of citizenship to be one of those cases?

Have it your way. But you have given anyone who reads this thread full justification for suspecting that Muslims in the US are disloyal citizens.

so what do "loyal citizens" do?

let's quote, eh?

It quoted witnesses as saying they had seen guards urinating on people and drinking "vodka shots out of (buttock) cracks."

mg:

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/09/03/83809.html

i reckon we DON'T support your "rights" to travel the world and do "butt shots of vodka!"

but if that is the epitome of superloyalisticnationalism for you, well then enjoy it. we'll just pretend it you don't mind!

:wa: