Class Dismissed.Malala,You have done your job well.

[CosmicPathos]

I disagree with this statement, difference of opinion is not the first split. Difference of opinion is NORMAL and accepted in Islam. We have 4 schools of thought to prove this and also the sahaba (ra) had differences of opinion but remained united. It's called ACCEPTANCE and tolerance. Just because somebody doesn't agree with one doesn't mean one resorts to name calling and or judgement, one should remember that which unites one with the other. People should not distance themselves from each other just because they don't agree with each other, instead just find a common ground. Sorry for being redundant, just making sure I'm clear

I think we bring up sahaabas example a lot and misuse exception to the rules to our norms. Sahaaba had unanimous agreement on most of the things (perhaps above 98%), and disagreement on 2% of things and those they left that to Quran/Sunnah. That is my view of sahaaba.

Acceptance and tolerance are good things though. And so are non-acceptance and intolerance. Intolerance to shirk or non-acceptance of taghoot.

 

[جوري]

Do not you think if we are to be okay with "different views" of other Muslims, the division has already started?
It does not make sense to me that you want Muslims to have different opinions and then expect them to not divide/split? How is that even possible? Having a different opinion is the first split.

Acceptance and tolerance doesn't equal to division & we must heed:

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Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo in jaakum fasiqun binabain fatabayyanoo an tuseeboo qawman bijahalatin fatusbihoo AAala ma faAAaltum nadimeena​

49:6 O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

and the news didn't come to me from an honest and trusted source so I have every right to question intent, purpose and ultimately the outcome!
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[CosmicPathos]

And different opinion is the first split. Why do you think army generals do not let different opinions among soldiers? Why do you think ALL soldiers have to agree that the enemy is evil. Because difference of opinion is indeed the first split. Any army in which soldiers have different opinions about the enemy, it will uttery fail, miserably fail. Historically tried and tested.

Khalid bin Waleed (ra), being an amazing general, It is beyond doubt he was aware of this basic human behavior/reality as well and utilized it to win battles. So plz, no misused of Sahaaba's examples.

 

[IslamicRevival]

Whats with the negativity and witchunt against Malala? Poor girl was shot and all i see here is veiled attempts to defend the perpetrators, allegedly and most likely Taliban.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxe6Z32MpPs

 

[joesixpack]

Malia's shooting is important as a propaganda device in the west. Here in America, it's important that the war be perceived as just and honorable. The tens of hundreds of children, women, old people, and non-combatants killed in drone strikes would be impossible to reconcile with most American's sense of justice and humanity. In order for Americans to justify their military action in the region they must imagine a far worse enemy. The Taliban are almost ready made for such vilification. The fact that they would target a teen aged girl is so satisfying to the American psyche that it would naturally explode into the press. The support she is getting in Pakistan is even more vindication for US aggression. Americans can go to bed tonight thinking that their war is just.

Don't get me wrong, I feel terrible for Malala. No one here, I'm certain, would ever try to defend the practice of targeting a little girl. But the news here in America is all but completely silent about all of the other deaths that are the direct result of US military actions. I certainly understand some of the angry and sardonic comments made by a few posters here.

We should not ignore the propaganda windfall to US imperialism provided by this act. One wonders why the Taliban would hand the US such an atrocity on a silver platter? I can't imagine why, if the CIA were behind this, that the Taliban leadership would proclaim their own authorship. Do the Pakistanis who support the Taliban believe that girls should remain ignorant and illiterate? That seems hard for me to believe. Does the Taliban believe that they benefit from the US's escalation of the conflict? How much control of the Taliban does the ISI actually have? How much control does the CIA have? I am very confused by this whole turn of events

 

[جوري]

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[جوري]

Akhi usmud wastiqem I really don't want Sr. Endy's post to descend to a verbal tirade and close! & hence I posted the above verse from the noble book..
I myself really don't want to keep having at it like I did.. I can't parlay the gravity of bringing death and destruction on others by the thousand for one sensational case. I hope the girl makes it out OK and this story disappears except for whatever lesson in being alert to the dangers that exist outside and within.. The entire Muslim world seem like huge swiss cheese... can't face the outside when the inside is this vacant and fatuous wala 7wala wla qiwta illah billah!

 

[CosmicPathos]

I hope the girl makes it out

Well I hope she makes it and vows to stop the non-sense she was engaging in and rather spend more time getting close to Allah.

 

[جوري]

I am sure she will do ok she took a risk and it will afford her a good western life - wish I could say the same for the rest at any rate and oddly enough all the ads on this page are of a join the army With an American soldier and a clean cut Iraqi kid impersonator - well done!

 

[CosmicPathos]

ya, asylum will be easy for her now. perhaps an ivy league education too.

Well, too bad Dilawar did not live. Or too bad other children were not that famous.

 

[ardianto]

Someone insult India as poor country that doesn't have anything and makes Americans are not interested to invade. Different than his country that 'atractive' and makes Americans have interest on it.






How could his country be zindabad if it has people with mentality like this? ^o)

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

we all should think what we be without "Malalas". What we are now, we sisters? Doctors, polices, teachers.

Without people as Malala we still would be at home with no education, no even know how to read.

;D

 

[جوري]

Was there no education system in Pakistan before Malala?
has Malala spearheaded the Education system in Pakistan?
Are there any Pakistani sisters here? Were you able to be schooled before Malala or were you all beaten & tortured into your ignorance before she came alone to save the day?
A genuine Q

 

[sister herb]

Was there no education system in Pakistan before Malala?
has Malala spearheaded the Education system in Pakistan?
Are there any Pakistani sisters here? Were you able to be schooled before Malala or were you all beaten & tortured into your ignorance before she came alone to save the day?
A genuine Q

Salam alaykum

I think you didn´t really understand my last post. I wroted as without people "as" Malala.

In cause of people like her I am now teacher and you are doctor. Without them we both wouldn´t even have right to study how to read.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Was there no education system in Pakistan before Malala?
has Malala spearheaded the Education system in Pakistan?
Are there any Pakistani sisters here? Were you able to be schooled before Malala or were you all beaten & tortured into your ignorance before she came alone to save the day?
A genuine Q

Previous poster was talking about people before Malala not Malala herself.

Malala is flying to UK to receive treatment. I hope she does continue promoting education

 

[جوري]

I disagree. It wasn't because of folks reaching out for foreign intervention that I decided to become this or others that. It is because of Islam making it an injunction upon us to pursue knowledge and because Allah swt paves a way to paradise to s/he who seeks a road of it mann ibtagha beh 3ilman.

 

[Endymion]

Assalamu-alaikum,

:wa: sister.

Much of the contents of this video has been posted in the documentary on the previous thread.

I stated earlier and saying this again im unable to watch any video linked to youtube as it has been blocked over here.

I truly do not understand what this re-post is trying to clarify?

I will have to post it thrice now,sigh.And i pray that you will now be able to understand what is the reality.

We do not deny the reasons as to why this story has made headlines.....yes, she is 'famous' for trying to raise awareness about the female education crisis in SWAT.

If the enemies of Islam invade my country and i meet them and ask them to help us by killing my own people,appreciate them for their so called aid and not just say a word how they are killing innocent people but ask for their help in killing more,what will you call me?A Mujahida?Or a traitor and Munafiq?
In this video,Malala not only condemn Taliban for all the killings but she condemn and degrade Pakistan Army who were there working as US alloys,i.e killing Taliban.She and her father asked the American Officials to clean Taliban from Swat which unfortunately did not surprise you but to tell you what,it even surprised US officials and they confirm her if she and her father belong to Swat or not?
She is not famous for running a small school in Swat,there are many who are doing this job to raise education level and help the poor people but this international fame and appreciation is for an American agent who gave drone attacks a beautiful reason and with this documentary,she and her father showed the whole world that they have brutal killers around them and only US drones are the solution.

And yes, not all killings are revealed in the media.

Almost All the killings are revealed in media but not all get the sympathies like the martyrs of drone attacks never get such a sympathy as they were there to be killed like helpless animals while Malala served her master well so her issue was raised to peak.

Which can be compared to just about any other situation across the world.

e.g. In South Africa, Nelson Mandela is most known for his 27 year exile in prison, fighting for aparteid.
But there are many, many more unsung heroes from the past, who never have, and never will gain this recognition for their struggles in this battle.

Does this matter?

In this case,it matters.At least world should know the real story behing their killing.They were innocent but the world thinks they were killers and their death can save the world.

If our intentions are for the pleasure of Allah, and our return is to Him - does it matter, if ones injuries/ death is never recognised in the press?
Is it possible for media to cover each and every death?

I have already answered this one.

This young girl has done more in a cause that is close to her heart, than many people who are far older.
Why does it not make sense for her story to make headlines?

Yup,this girl (actually her father who used his little girl for a reason) has truly done a great job for the US army by giving them a beautiful reason to attack innocent people.

Again, the fact that other fatalities have not received international coverage - does not draw away from the the tragic shooting of THIS young person.

They reap what they sow.US army used them then and they are using them now for another operation clean up in Waziristan.Do i again need to tell you about the activities of black water in Pakistan?

For all that i stated above,can be found in report of this news daily,its in Urdu thats why i translated some parts for English readers.It clearly said Malala and her father met US officials and ask the to attack Swt which,in simple words,prove them double agents.

http://ummatpublication.com/2012/10/15/news.php?p=story2.gif

Is there evidence for this?
Who has proved it to be fake?

Yes,there is.The Supreme court of Pakistan took notice of this incident and a team examine this incident and later this proved fake.
Here is a link to the primary news it was fake and the link above also said that video proved fake later.

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/pakistan/swat-girl-flogging-video-fake-official-says-1.62787

Im not saying that you are wrong ukthi, Im just asking for your sources.

Its not at all about me,my respected sister.I know you cant accept anything just because im saying this but you need to look at the facts now with open eyes and try to smell the conspiracy.

Ukhti, you do know that I was not referring to you or the like-minded Pakistanis who are sick and tired of this as well. Apologies if it came that way. I was referring to specific section of popln who are all super teary eyed on this.

Majority of them are US aided NGO's dont look at them as the voice of nation.

Salam alaykum

we all should think what we be without "Malalas". What we are now, we sisters? Doctors, polices, teachers.

Without people as Malala we still would be at home with no education, no even know how to read.

;D

Malala is just 14 years old,my dear and before Malala there were thousands of human rights,women education activist who are of pure heart and helping the people in several ways but if we have just a few other like Malala and her father,Pakistan will soon turn into Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Endymion]

Was there no education system in Pakistan before Malala?
has Malala spearheaded the Education system in Pakistan?
Are there any Pakistani sisters here? Were you able to be schooled before Malala or were you all beaten & tortured into your ignorance before she came alone to save the day?
A genuine Q

I and other sisters here from Pakistan recieve Education because Pakistan was founded in the name of Islam and the first Teacher of Islam Muhammad SAW made it obligatory on every Muslim men and women to receive education.

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

Hopely we will have also after Malala thousands human right workers whose talk about education of girls.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Hopely we will have also after Malala thousands human right workers whose talk about education of girls.

Is that injunction from Islam? What does being a "human right" worker mean, honestly? Can anyone be arrogant enough to think they are working for "human rights" while at the same time they participate in organizations which curb human rights such as riba-based banks, polluted cities, and the whole notion of modernity?

Just curious.

Malala was shot because of exactly that. Taliban (or whoever shot her) felt the "human rights" she was spreading, they are "western and secular" in origin.