confused over fatwa

[Asiyah3]

I find this hard to understand. Assuming the scholars know that superflous hair can be a result of hormone imbalance then why would they deem it impermissible to pluck it; especially when at the same time they allow cosmetic surgery to remove a fault. :-\

And there is a a number of hadith which state that it is forbidden to strike the face. This is so as to not disfigure or scar it as the face is a source of pride. And there is nothing wrong in taking pride in your looks as long as it doesn't lead to arrogance. The prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him forbade cutting the tail of horses for they have pride in them. Then how can a woman who has facial hair feel proud of her looks. The poor woman will hide and shy away and be ashamed of it. I don't believe Allah the Merciful and Kind wants any woman to fdeel like so. How can she feel comfortable facing her husband knowing he is not looking at her but at her beard? With due respect, I wish to talk to the scholars who deem it impermissible and show them that a hairy face can harm a woman physically and psychologically. Allah made Islam easy for us, not a punishment!

Sister, I think you misundrestood. I highly doubt any scholar would forbid all facial hair. The question asked and so the article concerned the hair between the eyebrows, not other facial hair.

The following hadith shows that women shouldn't resemble men:

Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with them both) narrated: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed men who imitate women and women who imitate men.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 5435). And Allaah knows best.

Jazakiallahu khairan.

ps. Sis Cat eyes see now you confused everybody..

 

[Snowflake]

*muslimah**;1337067]
Sister, I think you misundrestood. I highly doubt any scholar would forbid all facial hair. The question asked and so the article concerned the hair between the eyebrows, not other facial hair.

I didn't misunderstand ukhti. Some scholars do forbid removing any hair from face. It's quoted in Sis Muslim Woman's post.

As follows: Some scholars said that al-namas means removing any facial hair, and they did not limit it to the eyebrows.

But hamdulillah the standing committee do not hold this view.

The following hadith shows that women shouldn't resemble men:

Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with them both) narrated: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed men who imitate women and women who imitate men.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 5435). And Allaah knows best.

Jazakiallahu khairan.

ps. Sis Cat eyes see now you confused everybody.. [/QUOTE]

Sorry, I don't understand how that's related to the topic : S

 

[cat eyes]

lol yeh i don't think Allah would want any woman to grow a beard also.

 

[cat eyes]

But as for removing facial hair, there is a difference of opinion among the scholars as to whether it is permissible to remove it. This is based on their various understandings of the word al-namas.
Some scholars said that al-namas means removing any facial hair, and they did not limit it to the eyebrows. Others were of the view that al-namas refers to removing the hair of the eyebrows only. This was the view favoured by the Standing Committee as is clear from the fatwas quoted above.


http://www.muslimconverts.com/cosmet...g_eyebrows.htm

thats the first i heard of that. scholars cannot have different opinions on this. different opinions only come when there is different sound hadiths to prove that getting rid of facial hair is haraam. there is no hadiths to state that therefore they must be throwing there different opinions from there own heads. fatwas can only be given when there is sound evidence from the holy Qur'an and sunnah if that was not the case, then anybody could issue a fatwa on whats halal and whats not. we know that the plucking from the eye brows is not allowed because there is sound hadith to prove it. this is all that we have to go by. it is the part of the face that makes a woman more beautiful if plucked and this is clear hadith.

 

[Masuma]

Sisters :wub: you don't mind me asking the "stupid question" again or do you? :embarrass the question is that
"Why for such a small thing Allah would CURSE a woman?" It's not like some shirk or anything along those lines! So why?

And I know sister Danah gave a reply but I need some more explanation.

 

[Candle]

I'm interested in this..

Broad eyebrows can be quite attractive, and they are certainly more attractive than a woman having no eyebrows at all (when they fill them in with makeup). Maybe the fatwa is referring to unibrows? Us men are supposed to keep our hair trimmed, both on our head and body, so I'm not sure I see the difference.

 

[Amat Allah]

Sisters :wub: you don't mind me asking the "stupid question" again or do you? :embarrass the question is that
"Why for such a small thing Allah would CURSE a woman?" It's not like some shirk or anything along those lines! So why?

And I know sister Danah gave a reply but I need some more explanation.

Praise be to Allaah.

We say concerning such matters: we may or may not understand the wisdom behind it, because we do not know the wisdom behind many things, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):​

“And they ask you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) concerning the Rooh (the spirit). Say: ‘The Rooh (the spirit) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little’”​

[al-Isra’ 17:85].​

if someone were to ask us: what is the reason behind Allaah making the camel in this manner, and making the horse in this manner, and making the donkey in this manner, and making the human in this manner? and so on, if he were to ask us about the reason or wisdom behind these things, we would not know. If we were to be asked: what is the reason why Allaah has made Zuhr prayer four rak’ahs, and ‘Asr prayer four, and Maghrib three, and ‘Isha’ four, and so on? We would not be able to know the wisdom behind that.​

Thus we know that with regard many matters, both in the universe and in terms of sharee’ah, the wisdom behind them is hidden from us. As that is the case, we say: if we manage to understand the wisdom behind some things in creation or in sharee’ah, if Allaah blesses us by enabling us to understand it, that is additional virtue, goodness and knowledge. If we do not understand that, that is not going to harm us in any way.​

and Allah says:


“It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”

[al-Ahzaab 33:36 – interpretation of the meaning]

the Muslim believes that Allaah is All-Wise and All-Knowing, and He does not create anything do anything or forbid anything in vain; all of His actions are based on Wisdom. If the wisdom behind any of His actions is hidden from the believer, then he should still adhere to this principle, and not think of his Lord in bad terms.

May Allah love you my sweet sister and reward you with the best always and for ever Ameen

 

[Asiyah3]

I didn't misunderstand ukhti. Some scholars do forbid removing any hair from face. It's quoted in Sis Muslim Woman's post.

As follows: Some scholars said that al-namas means removing any facial hair, and they did not limit it to the eyebrows.

But hamdulillah the standing committee do not hold this view.

I'm going to check that up insha'llah.

Sorry, I don't understand how that's related to the topic : S

A woman with beard will look like a man :/.

 

[Masuma]

Asalamu Alikum Wr Wb!

Dear sisters, I want to ask that what if a woman wants to look pretty to her h...:embarrass you know who! So why can't she have facials etc? I'm not talking about the eyebrows! I'm talking about part between the eyebrows, upper lip part etc! So what should be done?

And the scholars are also divided in their fatwas. how would an ordinary muslimah know what is right or wrong?

And the non-believing women would look more beautiful and we won't! :laugh:

 

[Amat Allah]

here you are my sweet heart, stick to this in shaa Allah ,ok honey?

Removing facial hair.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Saalih ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:​

With regard to hair which is abnormal, because it grows in places where hair does not usually grow, such as a woman having a moustache or hair growing on her cheeks, there is nothing wrong with removing this, because it is abnormal and is disfiguring to the woman.​

The Standing Committee was asked about women removing facial hair, and they replied as follows:​

It is OK for a woman to remove hair on the upper lip, thighs, calves and arms. This is not the same as plucking (eyebrows), which is forbidden.​

‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/194, 195​

The Standing Committee was also asked:​

What is the ruling on a woman removing hair from her body; if it is permissible, then who is allowed to do that for her?​

They answered:​

It is permissible for her (to remove) everything except her eyebrows and the hair on her head; it is not permissible for her to remove those, or to remove anything from the eyebrows whether by shaving or any other means. She, her husband or one of her mahrams may do that for her, with regard to the parts of the body that they are permitted to see; or another woman may do that, with regard to the parts of the body that she is permitted to see​

‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood​

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/194​

The hair of the private parts and the thighs may not be seen by either another woman or a mahram.​

It is forbidden for a woman to remove her eyebrows or part of them by any means, whether it be by shaving, cutting, using a depilatory substance, because this constitutes the plucking for which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who does it, i.e., the women who plucks all or part of her eyebrows, claiming that it is for the purpose of beautification, or the woman who does that for her husband. This is changing the creation of Allaah which the Shaytaan promised to enjoin upon the sons of Adam.

and Allah knows the best...

 

[Masuma]

I love you sister Amat Allah! But look, our beloved sister Muslim woman found this too.

Salaam ;
But as for removing facial hair, there is a difference of opinion among the scholars as to whether it is permissible to remove it. This is based on their various understandings of the word al-namas.
Some scholars said that al-namas means removing any facial hair, and they did not limit it to the eyebrows. Others were of the view that al-namas refers to removing the hair of the eyebrows only. This was the view favoured by the Standing Committee as is clear from the fatwas quoted above.


http://www.muslimconverts.com/cosmet...g_eyebrows.htm

The latter view was favored but what does that mean? Does that mean the latter view was right? What if the first group of scholars are right? How would we know?

And if I had to choose, I would obviously go for the latter scholars as no women would want to look umm...less pretty, to her hubby. :embarrass

 

[Amat Allah]

stick to waht I posted for yah my sweetie , I took that fatwa from a trustworthy scholar and I asure you that , it is correct my dear , don`t worry...ok? love u too BTW darling ^^

 

[Snowflake]

An33za, despite some scholars' illogical opinion, the standing committee agree that it's ok to remove facial hair except eyebrows. So inshaAllah we can follow them without any hesitation.

Others were of the view that al-namas refers to removing the hair of the eyebrows only. This was the view favoured by the Standing Committee as is clear from the fatwas quoted above.

 

[Amat Allah]

yep you are right my dear and precious sister ^^ may Allah love you Ameeeeeeeeeen

 

[Masuma]

okay so I'm going to have then all the facials etc as it is permissible in Islam. and Allah knows that we in no way are disobeying Him. Astaghfirullah! We love Allah more then anything else and as there is no harm in removing facial hair, then Allah would not curse us right! But I'll always try to confirm this from someone whom I find knowledgeable.

May Allah bless you all so much! :wub:

 

[Snowflake]

No ukhti, Allah is more loving toward us than our own mothers habibiti. No one understands us or our pain, fears, embarrassment, humiliation better than Allah. Have you read the ayah where Allah subhana wa ta 'ala admonished His beloved prophet (saw) for turning away from the blind man who'd approached him? SubhanAllah!!!!!!!!!! Allah the Most Kind and Just did not even let His beloved Prophet be anything but fair to that man. This is my Beautiful Allah's mercy and compassion for His creation. :statisfie

 

[Masuma]

My sisters, just a tip here.
Never ever go for whole face hair plucking as this is only going to worsen the situation! Constant plucking of face hair would leave the skin rough, and in old age, the skin would be more loose than it should be naturally. This is what I'm sincerely advising but Allah knows best!

(...and yes, no beautician would ever tell you such things...)
Jazakamullahu Khair!

 

[Predator]

Certain things were allowed for women but forbidden for men such as wearing of silks.

The below site contains hadiths wearing of wigs for women is forbidden .

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/17/chap296.htm

What about men wearing wigs ?

 

[distressed]

Certain things were allowed for women but forbidden for men such as wearing of silks.

The below site contains hadiths wearing of wigs for women is forbidden .

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/17/chap296.htm

What about men wearing wigs ?

why is wearing a wig haram for a woman ? Ive been told its ok if its for medical purposes but extensions to enhance hair are haram. I'll find the link & post in on here..

 

[kite runner]

Honey , I have read the original Arabic fatwa and I found that the one who translated it to English language had added things which are not in the real Arabic one and now I will send the site mentioning this in shaa Allah to correct this mistake ...

may Allah love you Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeen

I will post both of them my sweetie and show you the extra words( by making them red) which made this fatwa wrong ...




and when he said:




he meant it is permissible to use botox in breast implants for those who have had a breast removed to restore it to the way it was created by Allah, if botox is free from harm...

and Allah knows the best


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good reply. I didnt think they would have such a big mistake in the translation. Whenever looking at fatwas online I usually look at a few sites and get the most common ruling.