confused! :(

[umm-sulaim]

hehe thanks, but to be honest, even though I was devastated at the start, I'm kinda over it, the alternative is cool it self and easier for me and more beneficial also, I mean, the optometry course is really full-on and hard... science/teaching is way easier alhamdulilah... (and a year shorter too)

lolz Alhamdulillah sis, Allah won't waste your efforts baaraka Allah in your studies

wassalaam

 

[Malaikah]

Jazakum allah khayr!

I prayed istikhara pretty early on, alhamdulilah... When I prayed it I was really confused about what to do- I knew I had to drop my course but I had no idea where I could go from there. Now I got everything planned alhamdulilah, the rest is up to Allah.

umm-sulaim, thanks, the coolest thing is that 1st year optometry is basically just normal science subjects, which means if I transfer to science I go straight to second year, so I won't end up actually wasting anything!

 

[umm-sulaim]

oh wow!! masha Allah i'm really happy for you sis! Alhamdulillah ey... n thas exactly what you wanted innit, to continue!

(wa iyyaki) All the best...

wassalaam

 

[S_87]

i dont know how its like down your side but in uk you can request to be a woman only whatever whether thats doctor (gp)/dentist/optometrist etc. umm could you not try that? :?
when your actually training though you dont get that choice :X

 

[Malaikah]

No way! Man, that is so cool!

So how come it is *unethical* to do it where I live but not in the UK. :mmokay: What a cheap system, it is based on nothing solid.

Oh well.

 

[Malaikah]

By the way, does anyone here actually think that gloves make a difference? I personally don't...:rollseyes

 

[lolwatever]

By the way, does anyone here actually think that gloves make a difference? I personally don't...:rollseyes

lol there's 4 other senses that shaytan can use 2 his advantage ffended:

 

[seeker_of_ilm]

By the way, does anyone here actually think that gloves make a difference? I personally don't...:rollseyes

Personally, I don't think gloves would make a blind bit of difference. Whether the gloves are on or off, you'd still be touching a non-mahram man.

 

[Umar001]

If I am allowed I'm just going to drop some stuff.

I think maybe finishing the course, so at least you have the qualifications, then marriage or even marriage while your doing the course, then at least you'd list have the qualifications.

Maybe you could work in a place and speak to the people on top and tell them that you can only work with females, or maybe you can move countries to somewhere where they would understand your position? Again you have to remember that the obligation of bringing money is upon your husband, so you insha'Allah will be able to afford turning down male clients based on this.

The teaching thing, I think that's an amazing thing, because think about it fundamentally, in one job you help a person out for a short while, you might not see them much again, its only a small time to make an impact on them, as a teacher you'd be able to teach children, to help them understand the right from wrong and to be able to be someone for them to look upto and turn to you if they need help, though I would personally encourage you to work with really young kids, to avoid any type of 'boy attention'

Anyhow, mashaAllah it seems like Allah has given you a good chance for education, I hope you make the most of it either way.

 

[Malaikah]

^Jazakallah khayr. You're right- it up to my husband to make the cash. Optometrists make way more than teachers, but I really couldn't care less about that. But I don't want to take the risk, do the course, and then not find any work because no one wants to hire someone who won't take all the patients.

Inshaallah I'm just going to do science and turn a deaf ear on everyone who insists that it is halal and thinks I'm nuts. They'll get over it.

 

[Malaikah]

I don't get it man! Five sheikhs all said it is halal!:heated:

Who do I trust?!ffended:

 

[glo]

I don't get it man! Five sheikhs all said it is halal!:heated:

Who do I trust?!ffended:

You prayed istikhara - following which 5 sheiks told you that it was halal. Does that not mean that this is from Allah, and you should follow the advice?
You agreed to listen to the advice of the sheiks and scholars, but it seems to me that in your hearts of hearts you have already made up your mind:
You feel that it is inappropriate for you to practice as an optometrists - regardless of what the scholars say ...


Perhaps you feel that giving up your dream would be your sacrifice to Allah?

I would still advise you to think carefully before throwing away the gifts Allah has given you - especially when you are told that it is Islamically halal.

But, of course, the decision is yours alone.
Who should you trust? Perhaps you should trust yourself, sister!

peace

 

[Umar001]

I don't get it man! Five sheikhs all said it is halal!:heated:

Who do I trust?!ffended:

Wa Aleykum Salam,

Well if the people that were asked are in your understanding trustworthy, then follow their opinion insha'Allah.

 

[sevgi]

Teaching is not inferior!!!!!!!!!!!!

it is the most sacred job of all...hey i know that the kids treat u like crap(especially in australia sis i feel ur pain)...but ur educating them for gods sake. they will realise one day!!!!

i got a really good uai( melb eqiv VCE) n i could have done really superior courses...but i realised how important teachers like u n me were for todays generation of muslims and non muslims. its very appropriate for women and isnt too demanding. and u'll be needed everywhere and forever.u could go on n do ur phd n become a lot more than just a highschool teacher...thats wat im aiming at inshallah (duas people)...

think about it...our prophet (saw) was a muallim.they all were. his 'students' traeted him like crap too...but he was doing it for Allah...n we should be able to turn any job into Allahs work inshallah as long as it is halal.

i dnt know if its wrong for u to do optometry but i know theres a lot of positives of eduaction...maybe finish it n move onto masters of education.do some reaserch.

all i know is that wen i went to a male optometrist...he was all in my face n i was really uncomfortable...n i know u wont be either...n maybe ur future hubby wont like it...

sis...move on to bsci...them medu...but thats my viewpoint..."listen to ur conscience...its ur direct 24hour phone line with Allah"...

tc.
salaamz.

 

[aamirsaab]

This is really all the advice I can give:

Halaal means it is permissable, it doesn't mean compulsary. At the end of the day, you decide which path you walk. If you feel inside you that you don't want to walk a certain path, even though it is permissable to walk it, then there is no wrong in doing so.

Ultimately, it comes down to you.

 

[netprince]

I don't get it man! Five sheikhs all said it is halal!:heated:

Who do I trust?!ffended:

Either you carry on with the course as many shiekhs have told you its permissible.

...or you continue asking until you find one that says what you want to hear, which i am certain will happen if you carry on asking long enough.....

......Reading this thread it looks like you dont want to do the course and permissibility has little to do with it, if this is really the case then you should speak to your family and explain the reasons why you dont want to do optometry and why you want to do whichever course you want to do. I am sure they will understand your decision.

May Allah(SWT) grant you success with whichever course you decide to do.

 

[lolwatever]

what was their evidence? that's what you trust!

I'm pretty sure you know the answer

 

[Malaikah]

Success! I found a sheikh who said it is haram!:statisfie

Now, they are going to call him a 'salafi', an 'extremist', but who cares at least I got back up. Alhamdulilah!

 

[AnonymousPoster]

Success! I found a sheikh who said it is haram!:statisfie

Now, they are going to call him a 'salafi', an 'extremist', but who cares at least I got back up. Alhamdulilah!

oh that reminds me... remember in time of Imam Ahmad... he was sooo in your situation.

ALL the sheikhs said that he had to agree that the quran was a creation and not the words of Allah. and he had no support, and sheikhs muchhh more knowledgeable than him (infact his own teacher, yahya ibn ma'3ieen) went against him.

but today look who we respcet

 

[hidaayah]

:salamext:

Al-Nawwas bin Sam'an, radiyallahu 'anhu, reported that the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, said:

"Righteousness is good character, and sin is that which wavers in your heart and which you do not want people to know about."​

[Muslim]

According to Wabisah bin Ma'bad, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said:

I came to the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" " Yes," I answered. He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and sin is what creates restlessness in the soul and moves to and fro in the breast, even though people give you their opinion (in your favour) and continue to do so."​

[A good hadith transmitted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmad bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi]