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MinAhlilHadeeth
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He was illiterate actually. So that debunks your claim of Plagiarism.
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ZIGZACTLY!!!!!
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You musthave misread that verse. It says everything was created from water. That doesn't mean we are 100% water.
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Pardon? Who?
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all this was known and documented in vedas 2000 years before muhammed told it to arabs....
good ...so not a new fact..
maybe the arabs did not know this...
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even Greeks knew the world is spherical...Aristotle speculated..
one greek guy even measured its size through calculations..
<<<Measurement of Earth's circumference, by Eratosthenes of Cyrene in 3rd Century BC, a major accomplishment of Ancient Greek science.
Heard that, in Syene, Sun shone to bottom of wells at noon on Summer Solstice. Thus, directly overhead.
Not true at Alexandria, 5000 stadia (~800 km ~ 500 miles) north of Syene.
Angle of Sun 7.5 degrees, measured from shadow of vertical pole.
7.5 degrees = 7.5/360 of a circle.
5000 stadia must be 7.5/360 of Earth's circumference.
Inferred circumference: 39,300 km, very close to modern value of 40,000 km.
>>>
so what is new about it ??
maybe God spoke to them too
did you even read that article by dr.zakir naik.
u keep sayin his histori blah is so impressive in a mocking manner, i ask you, is that the ONLY flaw you can find? In that article zakir naik has given AT LEAST FIVE SOLID PROOFS! You only picked on one and denied it. Im sry but i call that arrogant...
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he can, but he didnt! He has made everything the way it befits his majesty!
What you want is for me to go to heaven and get a signed document from Allah swt that islam is the truth and then u wud probably even ask to see the angels as further proof wiv the document, oh no wait, mayb even then u wont believe....
i dont understand, so many clear signs. Allah guides whom he wills.
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That is possibly the silliest thing I have ever heard. That's like me saying to a hindu, if Ganesh is real, why can't he make me from pudding?
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lets not forget our manners
, there are a lot of people here who respect dr zakir naik greatly, consideration is somethin we should all possess!You have debunked nothing. What have you debunked?
i wasnt around so give me your proof. Show me your proof!
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Against Islam, and Dr. Naik.
Well come on truthseeker666 (starnge number to choose...), we're waiting.
Well come on truthseeker666 (starnge number to choose...), we're waiting.
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truth seeker, Allah has sent revelation down through the ages, messengers to every people. But muhammad saws was the LAST AND FINAL messenger. Therefore the revelations have stopped. All the hindu scriptures which show truth COULD BE revelations of previous times, ALlahu Allam!
As for the greeks, they only discovered one thing which wasnt established till recently. What about aaalll the other hundreds of signs which have recently been proven through the quran? Such as the forming of the feotus, moon reflecting light, 7 atmospheres above the sky? SO MANY!
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As for the greeks, they only discovered one thing which wasnt established till recently. What about aaalll the other hundreds of signs which have recently been proven through the quran? Such as the forming of the feotus, moon reflecting light, 7 atmospheres above the sky? SO MANY!
eace:He means how could people have known that the earth is spherical 1400+ years ago which about 800 AD, and in the 15th century, people thought the world was a square and you could fall of the edges, if you read more precisely you'll understand that the whole logic is not flawed but correct.
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so your saying the world had accepted that the Earth is Spherical and not flat 1400 years ago?
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Are you even looking at the ayah that I qouted? We created everything from water.
It is not saying that our body is made of 100% water.
What the ayah is saying and what you are claiming is completely different.
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Sorry. I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
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You don't understand me do you? Let me qoute the ayah again.
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? [021.030]
Ok, for the first part:
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?
What do you think this means?
Here's one theory:
The Big Bang
By Zaghlool El-Naggar, Ph.D.
24/10/2002
Scientists are now certain that the universe came to being by a big bang
In the Holy Quran we read:
"أولم ير الذين كفروا أن السماوات والأرض كانتا رتقا ففتقناهما.." a (الأنبياء:30)
"Haven't the unbelievers seen that the heavens and the earth were joined together (in one singularity), then we clove both of them asunder.” (21:30)
This verse reflects the unity of creation as a dominating factor in the orderly form of the universe throughout its evolutionary history from one stage to another.
However, long before discovering the established phenomenon of the red shift, and its logical consequence of describing our universe as an expanding one, scientists used Einstein's theory of general relativity to extrapolate back in time and came to the striking conclusion that the universe had actually emerged from a single, unbelievably small, dense, hot region (the Hot Big Bang Model of the universe).
Formation of the Universe
George Gamow formally proposed the model in 1948, after a lengthy discussion on other models of the universe by a number of scientists (e.g. Albert Einstein, 1917; William de Sitter, 1917; Alexander Friedmann, 1922; George Lemaiyre, 1927, etc.). Lemaitre is credited for introducing the idea of the "primeval atom", where galaxies originated as fragments ejected by the explosion of this atom.
In 1948, George Gamow modified Lemaitre's hypothesis into the "Big Bang theory" of the origin of the universe. In this theory, Gamow proposed that the universe was created in a gigantic explosion, whereby the various elements observed today were produced within the first few minutes after the Big Bang, as the extremely high temperature and density of the universe would fuse subatomic particles into the chemical elements.
More recent calculations indicate that hydrogen and helium were the primary products of the Big Bang, with heavier elements being produced later within stars. The extremely high density within the "primeval atom" would cause the universe to expand rapidly. As it expanded, the smoky cloud of hydrogen and helium thus formed would cool and condense into nebulae stars, galaxies, clusters, super clusters, black holes, etc.
This explains the original singularity of the universe; its explosion to a huge cloud of smoke from which the different heavenly bodies were formed by separation into eddies of various masses followed by condensation. The condensed bodies were arranged into stellar systems, clusters, galaxies, supergalaxies, etc., and the formed galaxies started to drift away from each other, causing the steady expansion of the universe.
The Glorious Quran describes these three successive stages in the verses (21: 30), (41: 11) and (21: 104). The first and the third of these verses are discussed above, while the second reads:
"ثم استوى إلى السماء وهي دخان فقال لها وللأرض إئتيا طوعًا أو كرهًا قالتا أتينا طائعين"a (فصلت)
"Then He (Allah) turned to the sky while it was smoke, and ordered it the earth to come into being willingly or unwillingly, they answered: we do come in willing obedience*" (41: 11)
Big Bang Evidence
As the universe expanded, the residual radiation (radiant heat) from the big bang continued to spread outwardly and to cool down gradually until about the 3K (= - 270°C) of today. This relic radiation was detected by radio astronomy in 1964, thus providing direct material evidence for "The Big Bang Model".
Further evidence in support of this model is provided by the chemical composition of the observed universe. This amounts to about 74% hydrogen and 24 % helium (by mass), with only traces of other elements that in total amount to about 2%. All the recorded hydrogen in the observed universe and almost all the recorded helium are primordial, although some helium is currently produced by nuclear fusion of hydrogen in the sun as well as in other stars. Nevertheless, the total mass of hydrogen produced by the process of nuclear fusion within all the stars since the beginning of creation amounts to only a small percent.
It is calculated that when the universe was 3 minutes old, its temperature must have been 109 °C (cf. Ohanian, 1985, p. D-6). At such a high temperature, hydrogen was subject to nuclear fusion, leading to the formation of helium. Theoretical calculations show that the fusion reactions led to an abundance of about 75% hydrogen and 25% helium, which is a remarkable agreement with the observed abundance. This further confirms the Hot Big Bang model for the creation of the universe. The Hot Big Bang model has steadily and successfully battled other explanations for the origin of the universe, and the model has been gradually refined with time.
Hot to Cold
The "Hot Big Bang Model" for the origin of the universe envisages a beginning from an extremely small, hot, dense initial state some 10-15 billion years ago. This initial, minute body exploded and started to expand, forming the still expanding, vast, cold universe of today. The model predicts the formation of nuclei, the relative abundance of certain elements, and the existence and exact temperature of the cosmic microwave background radiation (or the glow of radiation left over from the initial explosion, which is currently permeating the universe).
The prediction of the cosmic background radiation made by Ralph A. Alpher of Union College and Robert Herman of the University of Texas at Austin was confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert W. Wilson of Bell Laboratories in 1964.
Despite its success, the Hot Big Bang Model leaves many features of the universe unexplained. For example, the universe today includes a vast number of regions that could never have been in causal contact at any stage in their entire history. These regions are moving away from one another at such a rate that any information, even traveling at the speed of light, could not cover the distance between them. This "horizon problem" makes it difficult to account for the striking uniformity of the cosmic background radiation (cf. J.J. Halliwell, 1991, p. 76). Other unexplained features in the Hot Big Bang Model include the "flatness problem", the origin of large scale structures such as galaxies, galactic clusters and super clusters, etc.
The Inflationary Universe
In 1980, Alan H. Guth of M.I.T. suggested a further refinement of the Big Bang model that he called "the inflationary universe scenario". In this scenario, the universe is believed to have started with a very brief, but exceedingly rapid period of expansion (for about 10-30 second), in which matter consisted of scalar-field particles (white in the Hot Big Bang model, the matter content of the universe is presumed to have been a uniformly distributed plasma or dust).
As mentioned by J.J. Halliwell (1991), the origin of the universe in the inflationary scenario can be explained as follows: by following the expansion of the universe backward in time, the size of this vast, complex universe tends towards zero. Here the strength of the gravitational field and the energy density of matter tend towards infinity. This means that the universe appears to have emerged from a singularity; a region of infinite curvature and energy density at which the known laws of physics break down. These conditions are a consequence of the famous " singularity theorems", proved in 1960 by Stephen W. Hawking and Roger Penrose of the University of Oxford. These theorems showed that under reasonable assumptions any model of the expanding universe extrapolated backward in time will encounter an initial singularity.
The singularity theorems do not imply, however, that a singularity will physically occur. Rather, the theory predicting them - classical general relativity - breaks down at very high curvatures and must be superseded by the quantum theory. Near a singularity, space - time becomes highly curved; its volume shrinks to very small dimensions, and here only the quantum theory can be applied.
Quantum cosmologists began a few decades ago (since the 1960s) to address the problems of the origin and evolution of the universe in a more subtle way than that proposed by classical astronomy.
Quantum cosmology attempts to describe a system - fundamentally - in terms of its wave function. Yet many conceptual and technical difficulties arise. At the singularity, space becomes infinitely small, and the energy density infinitely great. To look beyond such a moment requires a complete, manageable quantum theory of gravity, which is currently lacking.
Whether to accept the Hot Big Bang model of the universe, or its modified inflationary scenario explanations on the basis of conventional or quantum astronomy, the established fact is that our universe emerged from a single, infinitesimally small, dense, hot source. To agree or differ on the events that unfolded since that moment, including the formation of matter, followed by its coalescence into galaxies, stars, planets and chemical systems, does not change the fact of the one singularity from which our universe was created.
The Quranic precedence with this fact at a time when nobody had the slightest knowledge of it, or even for several centuries after the revelation was received, is indeed most striking. The objective notion to this Quranic verse in the right context of a science course can indeed be spirit lifting and enlightening for the younger Muslim generations of students and faculty.
Dr. Zaghlool El-Naggar is a Fellow of the Islamic Academy of Sciences. Member of the Geological Society of London, the Geological Society of Egypt and the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Fellow of the Institute of Petroleum, London. Prof. Naggar is the author/co-author of many books and more than 40 research papers in the field of Islamic Thought, Geology, General Science and Education. He was awarded by the Ministry of Education in Egypt the top “Secondary Education Award” as well as the seventh Arab Petroleum Congress Best Papers Award in 1970. Elected a member of the IAS Council (1994 and 1999), Prof. Naggar is currently working at the Arab Development Institute.
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Now the second part:
We made from water every living thing water. Will they not then believe?
Hmmm..... by reading that, I do not see the conclusion that you have come to. To me that says that every living thing was created from water. It isn't necessarily pointing to all the contents of the human body, just what it was created from.