Controversial Omar TV drama a big hit across the Arabian Gulf

[CosmicPathos]

I have to say tho, I did laugh at this prince's comments too. Its just the way he portrayed his anger, as if he always loved Umar (ra), seems more to have to do with Waleed bin Talal raking in profits from MBC and this prince getting zilch ....

 

[Scimitar]

spoke what was in my heart there bro CP

Scimi

 

[جوري]

Well how sad indeed since ahel a'salaf are folks like Umar, and Abu Bakr.. so perhaps you enjoy the acting more than the sunnah.
I don't really care for three quarter of the crap written on the net so please spare me.

 

[Tyrion]

And finally but most importantly, I cannot understand how Islam can be a final deen and yet be not black and white in regards to its ihkaam. If deen claims to be final and complete, it having no clear answers for gray areas is contradictory. Such a deen screams non-divine. So to me, Islam is divine, and hence must have black and white answers to every problem that we will face in dunya, otherwise if its not clear, it just ceases to be a divine deen and becomes a humanly endeavor.

That seems like a constricted/simplistic way to view the world. Isn't it mindsets like this that cause certain people go to extremes in life/religion/etc...?

It seems to me that anything that claims to be a final religion should refrain from being strictly black and white in most of its rulings, since it will be implemented for the remainder of humankind throughout different cultures and time periods. It needs to be able to change and adapt, while still maintaining its core spirit. I think Islam can accomplish this for the most part, but it doesn't help when people like you try to turn it into a black/white or "you're with us, or you're against us" type issue. Then it just becomes dangerous.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

That seems like a constricted/simplistic way to view the world. Isn't it mindsets like this that cause certain people go to extremes in life/religion/etc...

It seems to me that anything that claims to be a final religion should refrain. . . . .

Eh? It seem to you? Please . . . . .

Seriously I hope Islam doesn't go down the ‘liberal’ route. You only have to look at religious organisation like Anglicanism (it tries to mean all things to all people) and you see how the results, they are beginning to fall apart.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

First of all, I am not sure if this falls in matters of jurisprudence, or aqeedah as love of Prophet is part of aqeedah, and part of loving Prophet involves loving those whom he loved aka his companions.

Making a TV series falls into Fiqh, not Aqeedah. Let's not turn everything into an issue of aqeedah.

That is one reason why scholars consider shiites out of Islam because they curse the ashaab who have been given jannah.

Does the Series curse the Sahabah?

And finally but most importantly, I cannot understand how Islam can be a final deen and yet be not black and white in regards to its ihkaam. If deen claims to be final and complete, it having no clear answers for gray areas is contradictory. Such a deen screams non-divine. So to me, Islam is divine, and hence must have black and white answers to every problem that we will face in dunya, otherwise if its not clear, it just ceases to be a divine deen and becomes a humanly endeavor.

You need to pick up and read a book of classical Fiqh. Forget Fiqh, history. The Companions themselves differed on issues. In a nutshell, there are two things here: usool and furoo'. Usool are the foundations or the framework of jurisprudence - these are, as you say, established and not changing. As for the Furoo', these are the issues that come on a day to day basis and these change, from person to person even. They are subject to many different things, including time and place. The series is an issue belonging to the latter category therefore difference of opinion is acceptable. In fact, it is an issue that has only come up today due to modern technology and would need the ijtihad of the scholars today as there is no precedence for this in history.

 

[جوري]

found this too:
[h=1]Saudi scholar slams critics of MBC’s Omar ibn al-Khattab TV series[/h] Sunday, 22 July 2012

The TV series, currently being aired on MBC, depicts the life of Islam’s second Caliph Omar ibn al-khattab. (MBC)

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By Al Arabiya


Professor of Islamic law at Saudi Arabia’s al-Qassim University, Khaled al-Musleh, lashed out at critics of the TV series depicting the life of Islam’s second Caliph Omar ibn al-khattab and accused them of agitation.

“The issue of impersonating the prophet’s companions has always been controversial with some scholars sanctioning it and others considering it prohibited,” Musleh was quoted as saying by the Saudi newspaper al-Hayat.

Musleh cited the example of prominent preacher Sheikh Abdul Rahman bin Saadi and who attended a reenactment of one of the prophet’s battles, namely the Battle of Badr, at the Scientific Institute of Riyadh.


“That was 50 years ago and he did not see a problem with that.”

Musleh also explained in an interview with al-Safwa TV channel that the crew of the series, currently aired on MBC, had every right to choose one of two stances on the impersonation of revered Islamic figures and act accordingly.

“They choose to go for the opinion that it is religiously permissible to impersonate them. That does not give those who adopt the opposite view the right to start slandering them.”

The war waged by critics of the series against those who took part in it, Musleh noted, is like promoting sedition.

“Those who slam the series and its team are inciting hatred and creating an atmosphere of hostility and conflict.”

Musleh argued that instead of attacking people who believe impersonating the prophet’s companions is not against Islam, it is better to set the criteria that determine how they are impersonated.

“Strict rules should be imposed on the way those figures are presented to the audience in order to avoid any possible mistakes that could provoke the other side.”

For Musleh, Muslim figures can also be impersonated by non-Muslim actors as long as the intended message is still conveyed in the same way.

“Take the example of the film about Libyan freedom fighter Omar al-Mukhtar and you will realize that there is no problem if non-Muslim actors play the role of Muslim figures,” he concluded.
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/22/227742.html





and I am still conflicted..

 

[جوري]

btw to comment on the above anthony quinn played umar al-,ukhtar in one and in the next movie he made he was running naked on the beaches of athens .. so I think it is a legitimate fear of people to see these people playing those described in the Quran as:
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Waalssabiqoona alawwaloona mina almuhajireena waalansari waallatheena ittabaAAoohum biihsanin radiya Allahu AAanhum waradoo AAanhu waaAAadda lahum jannatin tajree tahtaha alanharu khalideena feeha abadan thalika alfawzu alAAatheemu​

9:100 The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well- pleased is Allah with them, as are they with Him: for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity.

One day being depicted by people who could potentially go off and do disgusting things.. and even with Umar Al-mukhtar isn't Umar ibn Alkhtaab.. so..
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[Signor]

May I present you guys something?'Can we please refrain ourselves from discussing this series?Whats the purpose?Will it be any worth?A four page thread must already be there in bin or locked...with very same participtants,so its already established who is standing and where he is at.This forum must be viewed by several Non-Muslims and after incidents like the controversial film release...Islam becomes a soft target for everyone.Try to have a grip over yourself while posting,this applies heavily when it comes to matters of our deen.Assalamu Alaikum

 

[جوري]

Whats the purpose?

To get it out of my system I hope that doesn't offend you akhi, but I am shocked and irresolute .. sometimes talking things like this particular matter out makes it clearer for the person.. It is unprecedented and some major major scholars approved and it goes against some things I believe in so I want to take in as much opinion as I can about this and hope that the issue will resolve for me.

If it is really bothering others then by all means it should be closed..

 

[CosmicPathos]

It needs to be able to change and adapt,

That is a sign of humanly endeavor, and such a religion is not worthy of being believed in, much like how Christianity keeps on changing every few centuries. Once homos were despised, now Church of England has officially allowed gay marriage. God is immutable, and hence the religion of His choice has to be immutable.

Simplistic view? We can only understand universe by reducing it down to simple formulas, equations, axioms. That is the only way if we are to ever understand the life we are born into. Occam's razor also works in that way. Simplest explanation is the best explanation about the seeming complexities of life.

 

[CosmicPathos]

“Those who slam the series and its team are inciting hatred and creating an atmosphere of hostility and conflict.”

So the people who believe it is permissible are not inciting hatred and creating an atmosphere of hostility by creating a series, which many Muslims are against as they take that opposite stance that it is prohibited to depict Prophet's companions? :S Al Musleh contradicted himself.

Why do ppl think that their actions are NOT inciting hatred, while they keep on labelling the opposition as inciting hatred?

 

[جوري]

Why do ppl think that their actions are NOT inciting hatred, while they keep on labelling the opposition as inciting hatred?

No clue akhi this very new territory for me... I am trying to take it all in in small dosages..

 

[CosmicPathos]

yea beats me too. They are labelling the opposition, which is merely sticking to its own opinion of prohibition, as inciting hatred, while they want the leeway to do as they wish i.e. depict companions!

 

[Scimitar]

Episodes 27 - 30 have been uploaded with Eng Sub, on MBC's youtube channel

Scimi

 

[Hulk]

Hehe, I think it's nice that we can disagree and not take it harshly.
That said,

just wanted an excuse to post this pic

 

[hur575]

I refuse to watch this show for one simple personal reason, every time I wiil read something about Omar Ibn Al Khattab may Allah be pleased with him, I will remember the actor. I went through great length to avoid the show, at home I do not watch it but whoever we visited from family in Ramdan sadly were watching it, so I avoided it like the plague, I have not even seen the actor on TV only through facebook pictures.

 

[marwen]

I'm with the opinion that forbids such representations of the sahaba. I'm also aware that there is another respectable opinion which permits the representation of sahaba and says that sahaba are not prophets and their representation is ok.
The problem of such videos is that , besides the fact that making movies in general is not 100% "islamic", that also making films and drawings of sahaba may lead to idolatry of such characters, and also may lead to disfigurement of sahaba (ra). Making a whole movie about a sahabi may also contain additional scenes and incorrect events which are not part of the authentic written biography of him, so this is like making lies about him.

I respect the other opinion. But what bothers me is that in such controversial issues, the choice to watch the film or not should be personal : for example, a muslim whose opinion is that the movie is permissible, should watch it alone and not force other muslims who don't accept it to watch it : I think it's immoral to publish the film in a public channel or to post the video in a public forum.

- For those who want to watch it, please watch it alone, and don't impose your opinion on others who may have a different view.
- For those who don't think it's permissible, avoid it, but please don't degrade others who permit it, because it's a controversial issue and people have the right to adopt a different opinion.
- As long as muslims respect each other's view about non-fundamental matters, this ummah will be ok inshaAllah.
(الاختلاف لا يفسد للود قضية) (Difference does not spoil the affection/respect)

 

[Futuwwa]

That is a sign of humanly endeavor, and such a religion is not worthy of being believed in, much like how Christianity keeps on changing every few centuries. Once homos were despised, now Church of England has officially allowed gay marriage. God is immutable, and hence the religion of His choice has to be immutable.

God is immutable. Religion is a social construct built around God, and can thus be rebuilt as long as the foundation remains the same.