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convert or revert is the same duty to serve allah...because we are all just human....and needs to find our God....happy always....pray to God and etc...
Asalaamu Alaikam,
I prefer the term revert, and actually it makes my skin crawl a bit when people insist on using the term "convert." Why do I prefer revert to convert?
Well.....
Because Islam teaches us that long before any of us were ever born, Allah created every single soul in the world, and we were all gathered in a single place. We were all created as MUSLIMS (meaning, "those who submit to God"). There was no concept of "Christian," "Jew," "Hindu," "atheist," etc. There was only Muslim, in the purest sense of the word (again, as "one who submits," not as "one who follows the religion known as Islam.").
We say that Adam (as) was Muslim, because he submitted to the will of Allah. We say that every prophet that came before Muhammad (saws) was Muslim, because they all submitted to the will of Allah.
Islam teaches us that we were all born as "Muslims," but society made us as other things. Our parents raised us in different religions (or no religion), but that did not change how we were born. The way you grow up does not change the way in which you were born.
When we become Muslim, we are actually returning to something that we once were. The term "revert" means "to change back." The term "convert" means simply "to change." We are not just changing, we are changing BACK. We are returning to the way of life that Allah intended us to live. We are reverting, not converting.
When a Hindu becomes Christian, he is converting, because he was not born as a Christian. When he becomes a Muslim, he is reverting, because we was born as a Muslim.
Also, the term "convert" seems way to synonymous with weights and measures. "Convert inches into centimeters," or "convert liters into ounces." Do we wish to use a term that is so strongly associated with weights and measures to describe our coming to Islam?
Just something to think about......
wasalaamz,
PS I know that it was a reversion for me when I came to Islam for the simple fact that I started feeling about God the same way I did as a 5 and 6 yr old girl, and I understood that there was only one God, and I could talk to God directly (no intercessor required). Islam held the simplicity that I felt as a child. I was reverting back to what I knew then (but had forgotten along the way).
I prefer the term revert, and actually it makes my skin crawl a bit when people insist on using the term "convert." Why do I prefer revert to convert?
Well.....
Because Islam teaches us that long before any of us were ever born, Allah created every single soul in the world, and we were all gathered in a single place. We were all created as MUSLIMS (meaning, "those who submit to God"). There was no concept of "Christian," "Jew," "Hindu," "atheist," etc. There was only Muslim, in the purest sense of the word (again, as "one who submits," not as "one who follows the religion known as Islam.").
We say that Adam (as) was Muslim, because he submitted to the will of Allah. We say that every prophet that came before Muhammad (saws) was Muslim, because they all submitted to the will of Allah.
Islam teaches us that we were all born as "Muslims," but society made us as other things. Our parents raised us in different religions (or no religion), but that did not change how we were born. The way you grow up does not change the way in which you were born.
When we become Muslim, we are actually returning to something that we once were. The term "revert" means "to change back." The term "convert" means simply "to change." We are not just changing, we are changing BACK. We are returning to the way of life that Allah intended us to live. We are reverting, not converting.
When a Hindu becomes Christian, he is converting, because he was not born as a Christian. When he becomes a Muslim, he is reverting, because we was born as a Muslim.
Also, the term "convert" seems way to synonymous with weights and measures. "Convert inches into centimeters," or "convert liters into ounces." Do we wish to use a term that is so strongly associated with weights and measures to describe our coming to Islam?
Just something to think about......
wasalaamz,
PS I know that it was a reversion for me when I came to Islam for the simple fact that I started feeling about God the same way I did as a 5 and 6 yr old girl, and I understood that there was only one God, and I could talk to God directly (no intercessor required). Islam held the simplicity that I felt as a child. I was reverting back to what I knew then (but had forgotten along the way).
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^i agree everyone is born as a Muslim upon the pure fitra, this is why when a child see's an indecently dressed women on the t.v he goes EWWW or see's a man and women haraam kissing he goes "yuck" cos they're still upon the pure nature that allah created them on. How else does a child know that these things are bad. it's as they get older their mentality changes due to parents and society.
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Greetings,
That's very interesting - I've never heard about this before.
Does anyone have any more information about this specific teaching?
Peace
That's very interesting - I've never heard about this before.
Does anyone have any more information about this specific teaching?
Peace
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Hi czg
The teaching is actually from the Qur'an itself.
And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord?" They said: "Yes! We testify," lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Verily, we have been unaware of this."Or lest you should say: "It was only our fathers afortime who took others as partners in worship along with Allâh, and we were (merely their) descendants after them; will You then destroy us because of the deeds of men who practised Al-Bâtil (i.e. polytheism and committing crimes and sins, invoking and worshipping others besides Allâh)?" (Tafsir At-Tabarî). Thus do We explain the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail, so that they may turn (unto the truth).
~ (7:172-174)
Regards~ (7:172-174)
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Greetings,
I'm struggling to make sense of this text. Are we to understand that "the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring)" means every single soul in the world?
Peace
Uthmān;1199454 said:
I'm struggling to make sense of this text. Are we to understand that "the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring)" means every single soul in the world?
Peace
this is said to our prophet also in his begining but you must know that they know you are right but they couldnt do like you
Yes. We are all the children of Adam. We are all descended from Adam, since he was the first man created. Regardless of our religion or creed, we all came from Adam.
You will find this also in Christian doctrine, btw.
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Greetings czg,
At-Tirmidhi recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said,
«لَمَّا خَلَقَ اللهُ آدَمَ مَسَحَ ظَهْرَهُ فَسَقَطَ مِنْ ظَهْرِهِ كُلُّ نَسَمَةٍ هُوَ خَالِقُهَا مِنْ ذُرِّيَّتِهِ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ عَيْنَي كَلِّ إِنْسَانٍ مِنْهُمْ وَبِيصًا مِنْ نُورٍ ثُمَّ عَرَضَهُمْ عَلَى آدَمَ فَقَالَ: أَيْ رَبِّ مَنْ هؤُلَاءِ؟ قَالَ: هؤُلَاءِ ذُرِّيَّتُكَ فَرَأَىَ رَجُلًا مِنْهُمْ فَأَعْجَبَهُ وَبِيصُ مَا بَيْنَ عَيْنَيْهِ قَالَ: أَيْ رَبِّ مَنْ هَذَا؟ قَالَ: هَذَا رَجُلٌ مِنْ آخِرِ الْأُمَمِ مِنْ ذُرِّيَّتِكَ يُقَالُ لَهُ دَاوُدُ قَالَ:رَبِّ وَكَمْ جَعَلْتَ عُمْرَهُ؟ قَالَ: سِتِّينَ سَنَةً، قَالَ: أَيْ رَبِّ وَقَدْ وَهَبْتُ لَهُ مِنْ عُمْرِي أَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً فَلَمَّا انْقَضَى عُمْرُ آدَمَ جَاءَهُ مَلَكُ الْمَوْتِ قَالَ: أَوَ لَمْ يَبْقَ مِنْ عُمْرِي أَرْبَعُونَ سَنَةً قَالَ: أَوَ لَمْ تُعْطِهَا ابْنَكَ دَاوُدَ؟ قَالَ: فَجَحَدَ آدَمُ فَجَحَدَتْ ذُرِّيَّتُهُ وَنَسِيَ آدَمُ فَنِسَيتْ ذُرِّيَّتُهُ وَخَطِىءَ آدَمُ فَخَطِئَتْ ذُرِّيَّتُه»
When Allah created Adam, He wiped Adam's back and every person that He will create from him until the Day of Resurrection fell out from his back. Allah placed a glimmering light between the eyes of each one of them. Allah showed them to Adam and Adam asked, `O Lord! Who are they' Allah said, `These are your offspring.' Adam saw a man from among them whose light he liked. He asked, `O Lord! Who is this man' Allah said, `This is a man from the latter generations of your offspring. His name is Dawud.' Adam said, `O Lord! How many years would he live' Allah said, `Sixty years.' Adam said, `O Lord! I have forfeited forty years from my life for him.' When Adam's life came to an end, the angel of death came to him (to take his soul). Adam said, `I still have forty years from my life term, don't I' He said, `Have you not given it to your son Dawud' So Adam denied that and his offspring followed suit (denying Allah's covenant), Adam forgot and his offspring forgot, Adam made a mistake and his offspring made mistakes.) At-Tirmidhi said, "This Hadith is Hasan Sahih, and it was reported from various chains of narration through Abu Hurayrah from the Prophet ''. Al-Hakim also recorded it in his Mustadrak, and said; "Sahih according to the criteria of Muslim, and they did not record it.'' These and similar Hadiths testify that Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored, brought forth Adam's offspring from his loins and separated between the inhabitants of Paradise and those of the Fire.
Regards
Indeed. This meaning is made explicit and clarified by the following authentic hadeeth:
At-Tirmidhi recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said,
«لَمَّا خَلَقَ اللهُ آدَمَ مَسَحَ ظَهْرَهُ فَسَقَطَ مِنْ ظَهْرِهِ كُلُّ نَسَمَةٍ هُوَ خَالِقُهَا مِنْ ذُرِّيَّتِهِ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ عَيْنَي كَلِّ إِنْسَانٍ مِنْهُمْ وَبِيصًا مِنْ نُورٍ ثُمَّ عَرَضَهُمْ عَلَى آدَمَ فَقَالَ: أَيْ رَبِّ مَنْ هؤُلَاءِ؟ قَالَ: هؤُلَاءِ ذُرِّيَّتُكَ فَرَأَىَ رَجُلًا مِنْهُمْ فَأَعْجَبَهُ وَبِيصُ مَا بَيْنَ عَيْنَيْهِ قَالَ: أَيْ رَبِّ مَنْ هَذَا؟ قَالَ: هَذَا رَجُلٌ مِنْ آخِرِ الْأُمَمِ مِنْ ذُرِّيَّتِكَ يُقَالُ لَهُ دَاوُدُ قَالَ:رَبِّ وَكَمْ جَعَلْتَ عُمْرَهُ؟ قَالَ: سِتِّينَ سَنَةً، قَالَ: أَيْ رَبِّ وَقَدْ وَهَبْتُ لَهُ مِنْ عُمْرِي أَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً فَلَمَّا انْقَضَى عُمْرُ آدَمَ جَاءَهُ مَلَكُ الْمَوْتِ قَالَ: أَوَ لَمْ يَبْقَ مِنْ عُمْرِي أَرْبَعُونَ سَنَةً قَالَ: أَوَ لَمْ تُعْطِهَا ابْنَكَ دَاوُدَ؟ قَالَ: فَجَحَدَ آدَمُ فَجَحَدَتْ ذُرِّيَّتُهُ وَنَسِيَ آدَمُ فَنِسَيتْ ذُرِّيَّتُهُ وَخَطِىءَ آدَمُ فَخَطِئَتْ ذُرِّيَّتُه»
When Allah created Adam, He wiped Adam's back and every person that He will create from him until the Day of Resurrection fell out from his back. Allah placed a glimmering light between the eyes of each one of them. Allah showed them to Adam and Adam asked, `O Lord! Who are they' Allah said, `These are your offspring.' Adam saw a man from among them whose light he liked. He asked, `O Lord! Who is this man' Allah said, `This is a man from the latter generations of your offspring. His name is Dawud.' Adam said, `O Lord! How many years would he live' Allah said, `Sixty years.' Adam said, `O Lord! I have forfeited forty years from my life for him.' When Adam's life came to an end, the angel of death came to him (to take his soul). Adam said, `I still have forty years from my life term, don't I' He said, `Have you not given it to your son Dawud' So Adam denied that and his offspring followed suit (denying Allah's covenant), Adam forgot and his offspring forgot, Adam made a mistake and his offspring made mistakes.) At-Tirmidhi said, "This Hadith is Hasan Sahih, and it was reported from various chains of narration through Abu Hurayrah from the Prophet ''. Al-Hakim also recorded it in his Mustadrak, and said; "Sahih according to the criteria of Muslim, and they did not record it.'' These and similar Hadiths testify that Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored, brought forth Adam's offspring from his loins and separated between the inhabitants of Paradise and those of the Fire.
Regards
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Salam,
I have always said I am a convert because I've been an active Christian for several years before I converted to Islam. But at the same time I feel that we're all born Muslims and then we can leave Islam and stuff like that so I am not sure... Until I change my mind inshallah I will still call myself a convert.
I have always said I am a convert because I've been an active Christian for several years before I converted to Islam. But at the same time I feel that we're all born Muslims and then we can leave Islam and stuff like that so I am not sure... Until I change my mind inshallah I will still call myself a convert.
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i'm a born muslim..so r u guys actually want to be call a name like that?
Ive never really thought about that to be honest, and that makes alot of sense jazak'Allah for mentioning that point.
