Cop quits after insulting gift to Muslim colleague

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Hana_Aku said:
And I would be just as disgusted if it was the gift of pork and an easy bake oven to a Jew or a noose and a KKK hood to a black man. Where do we draw the line here?? ...Why not let the gang rape victim shrug it off because the boys were just having fun!? ...This Muslim joined the police force so he should just accept that some people are thoughtless morons and not react?

Exaggerating?? Maybe, but where do you draw the line? One person's fun may not be so much fun for the person on the other end!

Uffff, so disgusted.

Hana
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Threats of violence (i.e. a hanging noose) and actual violence (i.e. RAPE) are a lot different than and insult.

And nobody said not to react. I only suggested that chosing to get bent completely out of shape and get so offended by an insult might not be the best, or most constructive choice. And being NOT fun is not lethal. It's a bummer but it's not RAPE.

All Im saying, not that it will prevent you from choosing to be so thoroughly OFFENDED, is that an insult dealt with graciously might be a better representative of Islam to the world. Especially at a time when Muslims are getting a reputation for being thin skinned and petty and demanding special priviledges that they don't allow others.

I'm just trying to be reasonable and point out that there might be ways of dealing with things that would promote a positive representation of Islam.

I'm not burning Qurans here. I'm just suggesting ways of thinking that could improve things for Muslims instead of making them worse.

But please do excuse me if I'm speaking out of line. If getting validated for an insult is more important than presenting a good representation of Allah's Messenger, then so be it...
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
Indeed-- unprovoked, dastardly attacks will usually be met with some action in return for injury received.. Perhaps that puts it all in a non-linear, somewhat multi-dimensional perspective for you?

cheers
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Oh sorry. I didn't see you get attacked. And if your hateful attitude is a representation of Islam then perhaps it is good for me to continue taking my time in searching out the truth.
 
MTAFFI said:
no prob


I guess I didnt think of it that way, I havent really had to work in a "workplace enviroment" for some time, however the Christmas parties that I have participated in you usually had to put your name in a hat and then draw names, that way if you dont want to participate (usually because some people simply dont care to buy anyone anything) you dont have to, however since there is nothing here to prove that this is or is not the case, I will give him the benefit of the doubt since the actual offense was done with malice knowing full well what it was about, and it was wrong regardless.
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jazakaAllah khair wa salam alaikum
 
caroline said:
Threats of violence (i.e. a hanging noose) and actual violence (i.e. RAPE) are a lot different than and insult.

And nobody said not to react. I only suggested that chosing to get bent completely out of shape and get so offended by an insult might not be the best, or most constructive choice. And being NOT fun is not lethal. It's a bummer but it's not RAPE.

All Im saying, not that it will prevent you from choosing to be so thoroughly OFFENDED, is that an insult dealt with graciously might be a better representative of Islam to the world. Especially at a time when Muslims are getting a reputation for being thin skinned and petty and demanding special priviledges that they don't allow others.

I'm just trying to be reasonable and point out that there might be ways of dealing with things that would promote a positive representation of Islam.

I'm not burning Qurans here. I'm just suggesting ways of thinking that could improve things for Muslims instead of making them worse.

But please do excuse me if I'm speaking out of line. If getting validated for an insult is more important than presenting a good representation of Allah's Messenger, then so be it...
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Caroline:

You totally missed the point in an effort to justify bad behavior. Who said it was a threat of violence? It was just a joke, right? I never said anything about threats at all. Just all in good fun. What are you saying? You don't find those things amusing? You didn't get a little teehee out of them? hmmmm, strange. :X

I guess behaving in a Christ-like manner doesn't come into play? How about depicting oneself as a decent human being? Oh, I guess it's only up to Muslims to always be the ones to behave 100% appropriately, 100% of the time. ok then.

Peace to you, Caroline,
Hana
 
Hana_Aku said:
Caroline:

You totally missed the point in an effort to justify bad behavior. Who said it was a threat of violence? It was just a joke, right? I never said anything about threats at all. Just all in good fun. What are you saying? You don't find those things amusing? You didn't get a little teehee out of them? hmmmm, strange. :X

I guess behaving in a Christ-like manner doesn't come into play? How about depicting oneself as a decent human being? Oh, I guess it's only up to Muslims to always be the ones to behave 100% appropriately, 100% of the time. ok then.

Peace to you, Caroline,
Hana
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You know perfectly well that a noose has only one use -- to kill someone. Since when did anyone get killed with a package of bacon. You're being childish.

And now its only poor Muslims that have to behave 100% 100% of the time...

Where did you get THAT?

Good example of what I'm talking about though... Go right on building your reputations.

I guess I found out what I needed to know.
 
NoName, stop pulling Caroline's hair,
Ambrosia, we know you have a thesaurus stop beating people over the head with it
Ricardo, stop poking everybody all the time

DON'T MAKE ME PULL THIS CAR OVER.
 
NoName55 said:
byeeeee!
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Moderators, please cancel my membership.

Oh, and you're welcome... I did think you might appreciate me suggesting some ways to improve the reputation of Muslims in the US and foster better relationships, perhaps even further the cause of Islam.

I see you're not interested in that.

And, as always, I am thankful to God for guiding me to the truth about things and people, even the ones who/what are not as they seem.
 
caroline said:
You know perfectly well that a noose has only one use -- to kill someone. Since when did anyone get killed with a package of bacon. You're being childish.

And now its only poor Muslims that have to behave 100% 100% of the time...

Where did you get THAT?

Good example of what I'm talking about though... Go right on building your reputations.

I guess I found out what I needed to know.
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Caroline:

Did you ever stop to think how different things offend different people? You see the noose as a threat, I see it as a total lack of respect. You are just justifying bad behavior. Somewhere you have decided for yourself what others should and shouldn't find offensive and now you storm off like you're two and adding insults.

I hope what you discovered is to be more open minded and learn that what you my perceive as harmless fun, is not necessarily taken that way by everyone. The noose and hood is representative of keeping the black man down, belittling him back to the days of slavery and you found that extremely offensive....rightfully so. Odd you didn't say anything about the Jews? You saw that as funny or acceptable? The bacon and wine tells the Muslim, this human being, that he is not respected, that he is beneath the offending officer, etc.

I'm sorry you can't see that, I really am. I sincerely hope you never have to experience that kind of humiliation or that you never have to look into the eyes of your child to see the harm it causes.

I also find it odd that you focus on just the Muslim whereas my concern was for anyone that finds themselves at the receiving end of disrespect, regardless of their race, colour, beliefs, etc.

I do wish you peace.

Hana
 
caroline said:
Oh sorry. I didn't see you get attacked. And if your hateful attitude is a representation of Islam then perhaps it is good for me to continue taking my time in searching out the truth.
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An insult to Islam, rasool Allah, or Allah swt, is a much graver sin in my book than insulting me as a person. That goes for the lady whom you were so kind as to give me negative feedback for on my user CP, as if to applaud her for calling prophet Mohammed SAW a false prophet and continue on with her crap for days. This isn't something I can instill in you or make you understand.

I'll not sell my religion or water it down to befriend a woman whose heart hides much more than what she has actually let on..

if that means islam is unappealing to you, then by all means, no one here has stuck a gun to your head and asked you to join or convert? I assure you if there was just one true Muslim left in the world, then it wouldn't matter at all to Allah.. there was a time when all there was, was Abraham P and his newphew (Lut) I'd rather have a strong Muslim than a fickle one any day of the week!

cheers
 
i still think, prank or no prank... it is a bad idea to have a person who is that adolescent in a position of authority and power!

if i learned that the local police thought it was funny to make racist jokes about latinos i would not trust being around them when i am alone.
 
Jayda said:
NoName, stop pulling Caroline's hair,
Ambrosia, we know you have a thesaurus stop beating people over the head with it
Ricardo, stop poking everybody all the time

DON'T MAKE ME PULL THIS CAR OVER.
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hehe :D

it does, sometimes, look like a a kiddie gang in a car with a frustrated mom!

Thank you for reminder (even if it is some other clever ruse) wa salam (peace)
 
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Jayda said:
i still think, prank or no prank... it is a bad idea to have a person who is that adolescent in a position of authority and power!

if i learned that the local police thought it was funny to make racist jokes about latinos i would not trust being around them when i am alone.
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actually, let me rephrase that.

i already don't trust younger police officers around me because i know many have adolescent attitudes... they used to catcall and shout gross things at me when i used to walk by during their football games in the summer. even that much juvenile behavior makes me REALLY nervous to be around them if nobody else is around... if something were to happen who would believe me over a cop, i can't fight back to somebody who is trained and there is nowhere to run.

i couldn't imagine how much more frightened i would be if i knew that he spraypainted 'beaner' on a mexican cops' locker just recently...

people need to trust their police officers, we give them power to enforce our laws... if there is no trust then we do not feel good about giving them power
 
Look. I came to this board because I have been one of the most passionate staunch supporters of Muslims in my community for a LONG time. I came in here out of respect and love for a religion I thought to be beautiful and to learn more about it.

You are comparing rape and an insult. I am trying to point out that reacting in some ways does NOT further the cause of Islam. The reason I am doing that (sticking my neck out in a group of people that are already known for being hyper sensitive and thin skinned and intolerant, but whom I love and defend at the expense of my OWN reputation in the community where I LIVE AND WORK AND HAVE RAISED MY OWN CHILDREN) is to try to help you realize that choosing to get offended and seek validation might not HELP you as much as it will HARM you and that if you instead think about... just think aobut... just CONSIDER taking a more though out, compassionate route and seeking to foster UNDERSTANDING. Well, then you might have better luck and building a more positive perception of Islam in general.

But excuse me for that. Far be it from me, just because I have cared about you and loved you and stood on the side of Muslims in argument of which you will never know anything about... far be it from me to disparage being disappointed to come in here and find people insulting each other, nit picking, over reacting and getting so bent out of shape they can't see straight because I too the initiative to speak up and suggest a manner of doing things that might HELP.

And I'm sure you won't appreciate this either, but frankly, I expected better things. I expected polite people who would listen and consider. I expected people who were interested in furthering the cause of PEACE. Maybe I expected too much and my ideas about Islam and Muslims were too naive. But really... all this name calling and nit picking and insulting and back biting and arguing and pettiness... Really.

You don't even know when somebody's on YOUR SIDE.

Geesh... talk about shooting the messenger. I came here out of love and respect and found a room full of petty little children shooting spit wads at each other and calling names.

If you'll pardon my candor.

And whether or not you care or know it, I will continue to defend Muslims where ever I go, even when it ends up alienating me from my own people.
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
An insult to Islam, rasool Allah, or Allah swt, is a much graver sin in my book than insulting me as a person. the week!

cheers
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What you will probably never understand is that behaving in a hateful, constantly degrading and insulting manner while representing Islam IS and INSULT TO ALLAH.
 
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