Could you tell me why the Palestinians have to recognize the zionist state's right...

Troubled Soul said:
Palestinians and all SANE human beings on this planet should not recognise the terrorist nazi esque Israelis. Their brutal regime needs to be toppled and by force. The Arabs who do nothing are a disgrace and so are all the Muslims countries who have the power to help them yet do nothing!

To give you an example of their lying and deliberate attempt to deny the palestinians the right to live, These animals have stalled peace negotiations on many occasions, even on the two state solution recently when the racist coward president stated "Hamas must be demilitarised" for a 2 state solution to work

What sort of pathetic compromise is this?! You can have your F16', high tech equipment and NUKES yet Hamas can have nothing?!! Oh wait..NEITHER CAN IRAN!...EVEN IF IT IS "NUCLEAR ENERGY"! Who on earth are these people!! If i can call them "People"!

These Pigs know exactly what they are doing and they know Hamas will not accept this hence why they put this ludicrous offer to Hamas.

Obama needs to honestly do something drastic and cut ties with these mass murdering evil shaytan Israel! I know this will never happen but all i can say is once Imam Mahdi arrives these creatures will be crushed and Islam will rule the world

My heart goes out to the people in Gaza and West Bank and my heart is full of anger towards the ILLEGAL, IMMORAL NAZI state of Isra-Hell!

To those who defend Israel.You are immoral and blindly believe what you see on Zionist "Sky News", "BBC News" and lets not forget the biggest one of them all..."Fox News" , Yes you have your opinions but you are supporting Killers, Thugs and corrupt Evil people. Wake up and smell the coffee or continue to blindly follow these barbarians!!

P A L E S T I N E Forever!

It had to be said, Rant Over!
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Well that’s clarified a few things . . . if the Palestinians hold views like yours, the Israelis are going to want some assurances before they opened the gates and let them out.

In fact I’ll go further and say that rants like this and those delivered by Ahmedinijad help the Israeli’s in their quest for support from the ‘west’.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
It shows, along with so many other things, that the majority or a strong minority of the israeli public support the two state solution, better treatment of the Palestinians etc.
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and i was thinking it was more to do with fashion....
 
Whatsthepoint said:
It shows, along with so many other things, that the majority or a strong minority of the israeli public support the two state solution, better treatment of the Palestinians etc.
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Wow, you came up with that just because they wear a Kaffiyah? lol.
Would it mean I support Western interference in Iraq by wearing a shirt and pants? Gimme a break.
 
:sl:

These questions are not any jokes, they are life and death question to Palestine. Right now.

I wonder why you sisters and brothers let agnostics mix this discussion all the time.

imsad
 
sister harb said:
:sl:

These questions are not any jokes, they are life and death question to Palestine. Right now.

I wonder why you sisters and brothers let agnostics mix this discussion all the time.

imsad
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I wouldn't be mad at the agnostics, in general, I mean, I try not to generalize when I get mad at a person, if its one person in paticular, then report their post, or tell a mod to review the topic.
 
sister harb said:
:sl:

These questions are not any jokes, they are life and death question to Palestine. Right now.

I wonder why you sisters and brothers let agnostics mix this discussion all the time.

imsad
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What did the agnostic say that you thought was a "joke?"

Do you want to live in a bubble surrounded only by others who believe exactly as you do? Clearly I (an agnostic) do not want that, I want to hear what others with opposing views think and why they think it so that I might get a balanced view on the world, but that's just me.
 
Thinker said:
What did the agnostic say that you thought was a "joke?"

Do you want to live in a bubble surrounded only by others who believe exactly as you do? Clearly I (an agnostic) do not want that, I want to hear what others with opposing views think and why they think it so that I might get a balanced view on the world, but that's just me.
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That's kinda why I come to religious forums too.
 
sister harb said:
Could you tell me why the Palestinians have to recognize the zionist state's right to exist on Arab Palestinian Land ?
We Will Return
June 17, 2009

- Is it because God gave his chosen people my land ,even though most of the citizen of the zionist state are not even from the region ?
- Is it because the Arab Palestinians have to pay for Hitler and the European's ruthlessness ?
- Is it because the zionist state never respected International Law ?
- Or is it because we are Arabs ,our blood,suffering ,dignity etc....do not count ?
No other people in the history of life on this Earth have been asked to do this ,and that's why I am asking .......Why ?


INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW ?

http://wewillreturn.blogspot.com/2009/06/could-you-tell-me-why-palestinians-have.html
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This is my take on it.

There are over 57 Islamic countries. Why can't you let the Jews have what belongs to them (in the sense this is the place of the Jews according to the Bible) also, many years ago they were banished from Palestine by the Palestinian Muslims. Now it's a reversal.
 
I am a supporter of the two state solution . The Jews and Israel are a reality and they are not going anywhere. Both groups have a legitment claim to that land or parts thereof. The Jews through the Biblical promise and the Palestianians for living there for centuries. It seems what is boils down too is Jewish vs Muslim claim to the land. What concearns me the most is the lot of the Christians who live in this area. They are caught up in the middle of all of this, does anyone ever stop to think about them or do they even care. Not all who are killed or maimed are Jews or Muslims, but Christians as well. Often victims of violence on both sides. In the Bible God promised that portion of the land to the Jews and when Sarah cast Hagar and Ishmael out God said that he would not leave Ishmael or his descendants unprovided for. The Arabian peninsula was given to Ishmael and his descendants. The origin of this conflict is in Genesis to Ishamael and Issac.
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
many years ago they were banished from Palestine by the Palestinian Muslims. Now it's a reversal.
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When exactly did that happen????
The first time the muslims came to the land was when Uamr bin Al khattab(r.a.) came to the land when it was inhabited by chrisitians.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
I am a supporter of the two state solution . The Jews and Israel are a reality and they are not going anywhere. Both groups have a legitment claim to that land or parts thereof. The Jews through the Biblical promise and the Palestianians for living there for centuries. It seems what is boils down too is Jewish vs Muslim claim to the land. What concearns me the most is the lot of the Christians who live in this area. They are caught up in the middle of all of this, does anyone ever stop to think about them or do they even care. Not all who are killed or maimed are Jews or Muslims, but Christians as well. Often victims of violence on both sides. In the Bible God promised that portion of the land to the Jews and when Sarah cast Hagar and Ishmael out God said that he would not leave Ishmael or his descendants unprovided for. The Arabian peninsula was given to Ishmael and his descendants. The origin of this conflict is in Genesis to Ishamael and Issac.
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Biblically as you claim(although sister Gossamer corrected your false understanding) the jews believe the "Great Israel from Euphrates to the Nile", so should they claim those lands too.
Second, Andalusia a.k.a spain belonged to the muslims at some point in time, does that mean they have the right to take it back now.
 
GreyKode said:
Biblically as you claim(although sister Gossamer corrected your false understanding) the jews believe the "Great Israel from Euphrates to the Nile", so should they claim those lands too.
Second, Andalusia a.k.a spain belonged to the muslims at some point in time, does that mean they have the right to take it back now.
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The Muslims conqeured Spain, were not original inhabitiants of the area. We could argue this issue until the cows come home. Muslims think they are entitled to that land, Jews think so because of the promise made to Abraham by God. A compromise can be reached to give the Palistinians there own homeland if both parties are willing to work toward it. Call my understanding "false" if you want, it depends on if one is looking at the issue from an Islamic, Jewish or Christian prespective or a secular oneas to what there understanding maybe. Just because I dont look at it from a purely Islamic prespective does not make my understanding false. This conflict between the desecendants of Issac and Ishmael has been going on for many millenia and is a deeper conflict than just the existance of Israel or the conflict with the Palistinians. It really boils down too who did God make his covenant with. Which group of people are right and who is wrong. As a Christian I am not concearned about who has a claim to to the land as much as I am conceanred about the Kingdom of God in the hereafter. However I just wish that people could just learn to get along, sadly it wont happen anytime soon. This whole conflicts orgins can be traced back to Biblcal times.


http://www.gnmagazine.org/wnp/wnp0201/arab.htm


The above article is written from a Christian prespective, so I apoligize in advance to those who may be offended.
 
salaam

In Islam Ishmeal and Issac pbut are both great men - palestine/Isreal belongs to the riteous not a specific tribe or people.

Furthermore Isreal is a secular state i believe and the Torah is not the law of the state or is it?
 
Just because I dont look at it from a purely Islamic prespective does not make my understanding false. This conflict between the desecendants of Issac and Ishmael has been going on for many millenia and is a deeper conflict than just the existance of Israel or the conflict with the Palistinians. It really boils down too who did God make his covenant with.
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Not true at all - things were not this bad - Jerusalem was preety safe - until the Ottoman empire was defeated.

This whole idea of arabs and Jews fighting for generations is also not true at all. The whole concept of convenat is not debatable to muslims as we accept that Issac and Ishmeal pbut had a convenant with God - if we go even back Adam pbuh had a convenanat with God which includes the WHOLE OF HUMANITY - The narrative doesnt go well.
 
I also want to add that the Zionist state of Isreal was pushed by athiest thinkers and not traditioanl Jews who actually believed that they were in exile and were not allowed to return.......until the Messiah would come and invite them back - ofcourse the zionist won.
 
From the view point of an unbiased Anglo Saxon it seems clear to me that the Jews and the Palestinians are the same people pursuing a different religion. They look the same, their culture and customs are very similar and I believe at a point in the past their DNA was compared and proved their common ancestry so the question of who has a right to live there is clear – they both do. The two state solution won’t work not least because the Palestinian state is in two pieces separated by a chunk of land owned by Israel. Pakistan and Bangladesh similarly split from India to form one Muslim state in two places, that failed but unlike Pakistan and Bangladesh Gaza would not be viable as a country. The two state solution could only work if the Palestinians gave up Gaza in exchanged for a chunk of Israeli land alongside the West Bank. That, I suspect, is unlikely to be acceptable to both parties. The other solution is to merge Palestine and Israel into one country and call it Canaan.
 

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