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I think the conflict is more political.

It is suggested in Islamonline.net Q/A session by an expert Hassan Mekky

All Darfuris have dark complexions and speak Arabic. Non-Arab Darfuris are those who speak Arabic and another dialect. In other words, those who do not have a certain dialect are called Arabs even if s/he has a darker complexion than those who speak Arabic and have a dialect.

But bear in mind that tribes in Darfur nowadays are mixed and the province's social fabric is now based on mixed marriages irrespective of ethnicity. True that there are some racial tensions, but all Darfuris are on board that the Al-Fur is the largest tribe in Darfur and its people are considered to be the best memorizers of the Noble Qur'an all over the world. They are also considered to be the indigenous people of pastime Darfur Kingdom, and that's why the province is named after their tribe.


The people of Al-Fur tribe are mostly farmers, who took the brunt of this conflict. And I want to assert that the conflict in Darfur is not ethnic or racial in nature. But it is a conflict on natural resources, power and political posts. It is no surprise then to find an Arab tribe allying with an African or Arab one. Farmers are taking the side of their fellow farmers, while shepherds are rallying behind their follows. Political ambitions have given this conflict an ethnic dimension. There are too much lies and exaggerations about the conflict in Darfur. In a nutshell, If we found a solution to the natural resources and power problem, the conflict's stumbling bloc would then be removed.

ref: http://www.islamonline.net/livedialogue/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=F316TD
 
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I think the conflict is more political.

It is suggested in Islamonline.net Q/A session by an expert Hassan Mekky

All Darfuris have dark complexions and speak Arabic. Non-Arab Darfuris are those who speak Arabic and another dialect. In other words, those who do not have a certain dialect are called Arabs even if s/he has a darker complexion than those who speak Arabic and have a dialect.

But bear in mind that tribes in Darfur nowadays are mixed and the province's social fabric is now based on mixed marriages irrespective of ethnicity. True that there are some racial tensions, but all Darfuris are on board that the Al-Fur is the largest tribe in Darfur and its people are considered to be the best memorizers of the Noble Qur'an all over the world. They are also considered to be the indigenous people of pastime Darfur Kingdom, and that's why the province is named after their tribe.


The people of Al-Fur tribe are mostly farmers, who took the brunt of this conflict. And I want to assert that the conflict in Darfur is not ethnic or racial in nature. But it is a conflict on natural resources, power and political posts. It is no surprise then to find an Arab tribe allying with an African or Arab one. Farmers are taking the side of their fellow farmers, while shepherds are rallying behind their follows. Political ambitions have given this conflict an ethnic dimension. There are too much lies and exaggerations about the conflict in Darfur. In a nutshell, If we found a solution to the natural resources and power problem, the conflict's stumbling bloc would then be removed.
ref: http://www.islamonline.net/livedialogue/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=F316TD

That is very similar to the "Range Wars" we had in the US during the 1800's. You had Cattle ranchers, Sheep herders and farmers(aka: "Sod Busters") The Cattle ranchers were constantly at war with Sheep herders over grazing right, and both were at war with the "Sod Busters" who wanted to plough up the grazing lands for planting. It was a very bitter and bloody time in our history, probably matched only by our "Civil War" Our own civil war was quite nasty.

If I remember my history correctly we lost over 1/4 of the entire American population during those 4 years of conflict. The sores of that war have only begun to heal during my lifetime and there still are some open wounds from it.
 
Deserting Darfur

Deserting Darfur
By Steven Emerson
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 8, 2007

As the genocide in the Darfur region of western Sudan continues unabated -- the United Nations conservatively estimates more than 200,000 dead and 2 million displaced in the conflict between the government-backed janjaweed militias and the mainly Muslim African tribespeople[1] -- the reaction of Western powers has been shamefully timid. But it seems downright heroic next to the disgraceful response of many self-proclaimed Muslim civil rights groups.

Although foreign military intervention seems highly unlikely given the current political climate, many individuals and governments are taking steps to pressure Khartoum to end the slaughter. One such step, taken by the Virginia State General Assembly, is the introduction of legislation to divest the state’s pension fund from companies conducting business with Sudan – a courageous, if only symbolic step that sends a clear signal to Sudan: no longer will genocide be tolerated, in Africa or anywhere else. Six other states have already passed similar legislation; twenty-five more are slated to introduce bills this year.

One might think that all Americans could support such a strategy. But one would be very wrong. A group calling itself the Virginia Muslim Political Action Committee (VMPAC) has already issued a press release opposing the divestment legislation on the grounds that such divestment campaigns are “exclusively use[ing] economic sanctions and military interventions against Muslim countries." Never mind the fact that similar tactics have been used to fight repression in such non-Muslim countries as Cuba and North Korea. The real irony here is that the targets of the Sudanese genocide are in the main innocent Muslims.

Politicians rarely publicly stand up to Islamist pressure groups like the VMPAC. Doing so, they fear, may cause such organizations to mobilize their constituencies with a combination of fear-mongering and disinformation. One who refuses to be browbeaten is Rep. Frank Wolf, a Republican from Virginia. In response to the VMPAC’s opposition to the divestment legislation, the congressman has courageously called on the group to defend its position. In a letter to VMPAC, Wolf writes:

Your plea to the Virginia General Assembly to ask Congress and the State Department to pursue a peaceful, diplomatic response to a situation like that in Darfur is misguided … While people bicker over numbers and definitions and diplomatic strategies, families die in Darfur. … It is time for other methods of getting at this regime to halt the unspeakable violence it is exacting on the Muslim African population in Darfur. … We need to send a signal to Khartoum that America and the West will not stand silent in the face of genocide. It is your undisputable responsibility to stand up for the people of Darfur and not the Government of Sudan.

It should come as no surprise that Congressman Wolf champions the cause of Darfur. He has a long history of standing up against violence towards Muslims around the world. As he further writes to VMPAC:

In Sudan, Chechnya, China, Bosnia and Kosovo, I have spoken out in defense of poeple of the Muslim Faith .. I have been to Sudan five times, including leading the first congressional delgation to visit Darfur. I was the only Member of Congress to visit Chechnya during the fighting in 1995. When I returned, I condemed the violence against the Chechen people and called for a ceasefire ... I was one of the only Members to visit Muslim men in a Serb-run prisoner-of-war camp in Bosnia where I saw evidence of a modern-day holocaust taking place. Very early on, I began speaking out against the ethnic cleansing and cultureal genocide against the Bosnian people.

Taking the lead on ending the genocide in Darfur, where Muslims are being slaughtered is a "no brainer" for Congressman Wolf. Curiously, his position finds its most vocal opposition in self-styled Islamic "civil rights" and political organizations like the VMPAC. Which raises the question: Why would the VMPAC and its officials oppose a move by the Virginia legislature to aid Sudanese Muslims? A look at the activists behind the organization provides an answer.

VMPAC is headed by a man named Mukit Hossain. Hossain is the founder of an organization called Foundation for Appropriate and Immediate Temporary Help (FAITH). In January 2006, Wachovia bank closed the accounts of FAITH,[2] stating that certain account activity "was significantly different from that which Wachovia would expect to see in an account established for a charity."[3] FAITH’s offices are located in an office complex in Herndon, Virginia,[4] which housed a series of organizations and charities linked to radical causes, including International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT) – the chief American sponsor of convicted Palestinian Islamic Jihad operative Sami Al-Arian’s Tampa think tank - as well as the “Safa Group” and the SAAR Foundation, currently under federal investigation.[5] M. Yaqub Mirza of IIIT, Safa and SAAR bankrolled FAITH to the tune of $150,000 in April, 2005.[6]

In 2004, another Hossain-led organization, the Muslim American Political Action Committee (MAPAC), received nearly $10,000 from Ahmad Totonji, also of IIIT, and his wife, Susanna. The Muslim Brotherhood-linked Muslim American Society (MAS) Freedom Foundation, who once lamented the death of Hamas founder Sheikh Yassin and referred to him merely as “a quadriplegic Palestinian religious leader,”[7] honored Hossain as the “Herndon Citizen Of The Year” in 2004.[8]

Bearing this background in mind, the fact that the VMPAC is attempting to stymie efforts to end the genocide in Darfur should come as no surprise. Radical Islamic groups and Islamist apologists have long tried to distract from the carnage in Sudan both by minimizing the deadly nature of the conflict and blaming the situation on their traditional bogeyman: the Zionists.

For example, influential Muslim Brotherhood cleric Yusef Al-Qaradawi told a newspaper in Qatar, “Look for the Zionists behind every disaster. We have found their fingers in Darfur.”[9]

The Khartoum regime itself has tried to spread such ideas throughout the Muslim world in an effort to shield itself from criticism and allow its vicious campaign against Darfuris to continue uninterrupted. The Washington Post reported on Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir’s efforts, writing[10]:

Bashir blamed unnamed Zionist Jewish organizations for stoking public opposition in the United States against his government, through the organizing of nationwide protests against the violence in Darfur.

"I'm not talking about Jews," he said. "I'm talking about Zionist organizations that have motives in Sudan. They have objectives in Sudan. They want to weaken Sudan. They want to dismember Sudan."

Taking their cues from Qaradawi and Bashir, Islamist organizations in the United States are doing what they can to protect Khartoum, which endorses continued violence and genocide.

Another Islamist group, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), also has a lengthy history of opposing action against Sudan’s atrocities. In particular, CAIR has sought to shift attention away from the core issue of the conflict -- namely, that the janjaweed militia and government forces themselves have conducted a brutal and bloody ethnic-cleansing campaign, burning villages and raping and murdering inhabitants along the way -- and focus instead on conspiracy theories.

Reacting to similar Congressional legislation in response to a bloody civil war and widespread slavery in Sudan, CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad commented, “American Muslims have grown increasingly concerned that the issue of Sudan is being used by those with anti-Islamic political or religious agendas to stereotype Islam and Muslims worldwide.”[11] Similarly, after a large rally in April 2006 on the National Mall in Washington D.C. organized by the Save Darfur Coalition, Awad remarked in a press release, “It is unfortunate that the Save Darfur Coalition chose not to list any mainstream American Muslim groups in the rally program … This disturbing omission calls into question the coalition's true agenda at the rally.”[12]

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper had previously questioned the motives of the coalition seeking to end the genocide in Darfur, “cautioning” the coalition against “allowing exploitation of the suffering to promote political or religious agendas.”[13] Both Awad and Hooper were sending a message: the Zionists are exploiting the Darfur issue to harm Muslims, while ignoring the fact that activists are obviously seeking to stop the slaughter of Muslims in Sudan by the Janjaweed and the Khartoum government.

In public statements, U.S.-based Islamist groups often go to great pains to minimize the nature of the devastation in Darfur. In a joint press release, CAIR, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) stated that while the U.S. government has referred to the situation in Darfur as a genocide, the United Nations and Amnesty International "disagree on this point," and they warned against the "politicizing" the conflict.[14] Never mind the fact that two years earlier, United Nations Sudan coordinator Mukesh Kapila had called Darfur "the world's greatest humanitarian crisis and possibly the world's greatest humanitarian catastrophe. There has been systematic burning of villages and displacement of the population.'' The New York Times reported that, "n one attack, on Feb. 27, more than 100 women were raped in the northern town of Tawilaa, Mr. Kapila said," and that Kapila "accused Arab militia of systematically attacking villages and raping women."[15]

Unfortunately, the self-appointed leaders of the American Muslim community opt to expend their efforts minimizing the tragedy and accusing others of "politicizing" the crisis as people are raped, exterminated and displaced in astonishing numbers. It is both sad and unsurprising, given their track record and ties to extremists, that VMPAC, CAIR and other organized political leaders of the Muslim community in the United States cannot agree with the common-sense positions of Congressman Wolf and work towards ending the tragedy in Darfur once and for all.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26828
 
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Darfur: Anti-Arab Prejudice & Oil Make A Difference

By: Roger Howard
The Guardian
5/18/2007
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The atrocities taking place in Darfur are inexcusable and Muslim countries must take a lead in condemning this and putting pressure on Sudan to stop the mayhem. We must also be aware how certain special interest groups are taking advantage of this tragedy to portray this tragedy as a Arab vs. African issue.

In a remote corner of Africa, millions of civilians have been slaughtered in a conflict fuelled by an almost genocidal ferocity that has no end in sight. Victims have been targeted because of their ethnicity and entire ethnic groups destroyed - but the outside world has turned its back, doing little to save people from the wrath of the various government and rebel militias. You could be forgiven for thinking that this is a depiction of the Sudanese province of Darfur, racked by four years of bitter fighting. But it describes the Democratic Republic of Congo, which has received a fraction of the media attention devoted to Darfur.

The UN estimates that 3 million to 4 million Congolese have been killed, compared with the estimated 200,000 civilian deaths in Darfur. A peace deal agreed in December 2002 has never been adhered to, and atrocities have been particularly well documented in the province of Kivu - carried out by paramilitary organisations with strong governmental links. In the last month alone, thousands of civilians have been killed in heavy fighting between rebel and government forces vying for control of an area north of Goma, and the UN reckons that another 50,000 have been made refugees.

How curious, then, that so much more attention has been focused on Darfur than Congo. There are no pressure groups of any note that draw attention to the Congolese situation. In the media there is barely a word. The politicians are silent. Yet if ever there were a case for the outside world to intervene on humanitarian grounds alone - "liberal interventionism" - then surely this is it.

The key difference between the two situations lies in the racial and ethnic composition of the perceived victims and perpetrators. In Congo, black Africans are killing other black Africans in a way that is difficult for outsiders to identify with. The turmoil there can in that sense be regarded as a narrowly African affair.

In Darfur the fighting is portrayed as a war between black Africans, rightly or wrongly regarded as the victims, and "Arabs", widely regarded as the perpetrators of the killings. In practice these neat racial categories are highly indistinct, but it is through such a prism that the conflict is generally viewed.

It is not hard to imagine why some in the west have found this perception so alluring, for there are numerous people who want to portray "the Arabs" in these terms. In the United States and elsewhere those who have spearheaded the case for foreign intervention in Darfur are largely the people who regard the Arabs as the root cause of the Israel-Palestine dispute. From this viewpoint, the events in Darfur form just one part of a much wider picture of Arab malice and cruelty.

Nor is it any coincidence that the moral frenzy about intervention in Sudan has coincided with the growing military debacle in Iraq - for as allied casualties in Iraq have mounted, so has indignation about the situation in Darfur. It is always easier for a losing side to demonise an enemy than to blame itself for a glaring military defeat, and the Darfur situation therefore offers some people a certain sense of catharsis.

Humanitarian concern among policymakers in Washington is ultimately self-interested.

The United States is willing to impose new sanctions on the Sudan government if the latter refuses to accept a United Nations peacekeeping force, but it is no coincidence that Sudan, unlike Congo, has oil - lots of it - and strong links with China, a country the US regards as a strategic rival in the struggle for Africa's natural resources; only last week Amnesty International reported that Beijing has illicitly supplied Khartoum with large quantities of arms.

Nor has the bloodshed in Congo ever struck the same powerful chord as recent events in Somalia, where a new round of bitter fighting has recently erupted. At the end of last year the US backed an Ethiopian invasion of Somalia to topple an Islamic regime that the White House perceived as a possible sponsor of anti-American "terrorists".

The contrasting perceptions of events in Congo and Sudan are ultimately both cause and effect of particular prejudices. Those who argue for liberal intervention, to impose "rights, freedom and democracy", ultimately speak only of their own interests. To view their role in such altruistic terms always leaves them open to well-founded accusations of double standards that damage the international standing of the intervening power and play into the hands of its enemies.

By seeing foreign conflicts through the prism of their own prejudices, interventionists also convince themselves that others see the world in the same terms. This allows them to obscure uncomfortable truths, such as the nationalist resentment that their interference can provoke.

This was the case with the Washington hawks who once assured us that the Iraqi people would be "dancing on the rooftops" to welcome the US invasion force that would be bringing everyone "freedom".

Highly seductive though the rhetoric of liberal interventionism may be, it is always towards hubris and disaster that it leads its willing partners.

Roger Howard is the author of What's Wrong with Liberal Interventionism

[email protected]

Source:
http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=GU0705-3287
 
Huge protests over cartoons in an obscure Danish newspaper, but nothing over the wholesale rape and murder of fellow Muslims. No huge protests outside the Sudanese embassy, no burnings of Sudanese flags, NOTHING.

What the people of Darfur are suffering far outwieghs in magnatude and viciousness any injustices done by America or Israel in Iraq or Palestine yet the great "muslim nation" turns away and does nothing.

Mosr muslims dont know whats happening in darfur, so you cant blame them, its ignorance. :)
 
And one wodner why the US or Security council is not doing anything
There is no oil in Darfur..there is no hope for material gain if the US go in and try to help...simple as...
 
There is no oil in Darfur..there is no hope for material gain if the US go in and try to help...simple as...

Well, rather there is no strategic interest for the US. Saddam actively threatened the US (Shooting at its planes, the earlier wars, the WMD issues). And Afghanistan doesn't have oil, but that didn't stop the US either. Sudan is not a threat to the US and as such they are ignored.

Besides, if the US intervened people here would be lining up to join the jihad against the Zionist Crusaders :D.
 
Well, rather there is no strategic interest for the US. Saddam actively threatened the US (Shooting at its planes, the earlier wars, the WMD issues). And Afghanistan doesn't have oil, but that didn't stop the US either. Sudan is not a threat to the US and as such they are ignored.

Besides, if the US intervened people here would be lining up to join the jihad against the Zionist Crusaders :D.

afghanistan doesnt have oil, but they do have the worlds largest poppy fields, and the opoium trade has since TRIPPLED since the us-led invasion, drugs= big bucks, you dont really believe the goverment and some politicians are really wanting to crush the drugs trade? the CIA makes big bucks from drugs trade using the finances to fund black projects i.e. goverment top secret projects which even the president and white house doesnt know about. it long been documented of the CIA's active role in the drugs trade.

other than the oppoum fields, prior to the invasion of afghanistan, major corporations wanted to build a oil/gas pipeline running from turkimnistan all the way to pakistan, and this was BIG BIG BUCKS, obviously with the taliban there such a pipeline cudnt be built, or it cud be built but the revenue wudnt be as high cause obviously the taliban would want a big share, getting rid of the taliban helped fix this big bucks pipeline.

as for sudan, they indeed do have a major natural resource, and thats water, in the south, israel has taken a very huge interest in the large amounts of water in south sudan, israel sees this water resource very important for itself and are actively trying to find a way to flow this water to help israel, which is why israel happens to fund some of the southern rebels which sudanease inteligance has noted. :)
 
There is no oil in Darfur..there is no hope for material gain if the US go in and try to help...simple as...

Good Lord in Heaven that is stupifyingly ignorant. Where do you get such demonstrably foolish notions?

Is there any oil in Kosovo, friend?

Please describe for the assembled multitude what possible good could come from a US intervention Sudan. Within a month the enmity would be directed agaisnt US troops.

Egypt has a big Army...why aren't they there? They could drive there. The Iranians are allegedly readyto defeat the US Navy. They could take a boat.

There are enough Saudis on vacation in Cairo ...they could send a brigade.
 
afghanistan doesnt have oil, but they do have the worlds largest poppy fields, and the opoium trade has since TRIPPLED since the us-led invasion, drugs= big bucks, you dont really believe the goverment and some politicians are really wanting to crush the drugs trade? the CIA makes big bucks from drugs trade using the finances to fund black projects i.e. goverment top secret projects which even the president and white house doesnt know about. it long been documented of the CIA's active role in the drugs trade.

other than the oppoum fields, prior to the invasion of afghanistan, major corporations wanted to build a oil/gas pipeline running from turkimnistan all the way to pakistan, and this was BIG BIG BUCKS, obviously with the taliban there such a pipeline cudnt be built, or it cud be built but the revenue wudnt be as high cause obviously the taliban would want a big share, getting rid of the taliban helped fix this big bucks pipeline.

as for sudan, they indeed do have a major natural resource, and thats water, in the south, israel has taken a very huge interest in the large amounts of water in south sudan, israel sees this water resource very important for itself and are actively trying to find a way to flow this water to help israel, which is why israel happens to fund some of the southern rebels which sudanease inteligance has noted. :)

Dood;

You tinfoil hat is too tight. Invade Afghanistan to make money? :rollseyes

Water supplies for Israel from Southern Sudan? :rollseyes Have you ever heard of the Red Sea? You know what that is...the thing the Israelites crossed to get away from Pharoe
 
Dood;

You tinfoil hat is too tight. Invade Afghanistan to make money? :rollseyes

Water supplies for Israel from Southern Sudan? :rollseyes Have you ever heard of the Red Sea? You know what that is...the thing the Israelites crossed to get away from Pharoe

i suggest you go learn abit instead of giving such a weak response, your just ignorant of the facts so therefore your not qualified to make any arguments on such topics.
 
i suggest you go learn abit instead of giving such a weak response, your just ignorant of the facts so therefore your not qualified to make any arguments on such topics.
And your qualifications are? Everyone that knows anything about anything knows if it is bad the US is responsible. If it isn't, the US just hasn't got there yet.
 

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