Darwins theory of Evolution?

[Tyrion]

we all learn that way believe me, I can understand the zeal, you've the conviction but not the ability to back it up, wisdom comes with age & in making errors along the way we become seasoned ..

So what if a few unseasoned members learn the hard way?

but you know how the adage goes..
When you're 10 you care what everyone thinks of you, when you're 30 you don't give a fig who thinks what of you and when you're 60 you realize no one thought of you at all

*Sigh* I suppose you're right..

Still, I don't think it'd do any harm if some of us touched up on our knowledge a bit before engaging with others. It might also save one or two of our younger members from having their faith rocked because of this stuff. I know it was an issue for me a while back, and I'd hate to see it happen to others.

I didn't even know how to use the 'cut & paste' feature let alone argue with any semblance of logic, so you can imagine the first time, I was stumped by someone attacking Islam with stories of banu Quryzah or the made up stories of asma bint marwan or the allegations of pedophilia.. Oh my God, I'd get literally sick in the stomach, hurl worlds out, copy them all by hands (btw the whole cut & past thing I felt was the greatest invention once I learned of it lol)

Haha, wow. :

 

[جوري]

Still, I don't think it'd do any harm if some of us touched up on our knowledge a bit before engaging with others. It might also save one or two of our younger members from having their faith rocked because of this stuff. I know it was an issue for me a while back, and I'd hate to see it happen to others.

My dad I think spent his life trying to avoid us all his mistakes, always pushing for this or that, but life & fate & most importantly God's will unravel in such a way that we can't be avoided many mistakes or from making a whole new set of them.. We all need to renew our covenant with God, Islam isn't bequeathed us, we need to find it.. Some of us will find it some of us will turn away & that's just the way it is.. I sympathize I also like to give the distillate of a painful experience or experiences to others.. but it is meaningless to them for it was my road, I lived it I felt it.. as others live & carve their own way ... Don't worry about it too much.. Yes I know you think it gives us 'collectively' a bad image but truth is people inevitably only represent themselves ...

 

[Tyrion]

Don't worry about it too much.. Yes I know you think it gives us 'collectively' a bad image but truth is people inevitably only represent themselves ...

Ah, if only I could worry less. : I'd give you rep points for the above post if I could, but I guess another "like" will have to suffice.

:wa: (I hope you'll forgive me for never responding to your salaam... I never got used to doing it online)

 

[جوري]

if only I could worry less.

Try shopping, it helps me tremendously! except of course on the credit card bills arrive :hmm:

 

[Scimitar]

It also doesn't help when you've got members such as yourself who are making good, educated arguments, only to have the discussion interrupted by somebody asking why we still have monkeys in the world... I know there's usually no hope in convincing the other side, but it'd be nice if we didn't supply them with more ammunition... I hope I'm making sense. :

You are bro... Just a quick heads up though. Bro Jedi_Mindset and bro m2p are 16 and 17 yrs of age. Insha-Allah, the finer points raised here will help them to form a better opinion.

 

[MustafaMc]

we all learn that way believe me

You may find it strange, but sometimes it seems as though I learn as much from writing as I do from reading. Maybe others can also learn from composing their own replies to what they read others have written.

 

[جوري]

You may find it strange, but sometimes it seems as though I learn as much from writing as I do from reading. Maybe others can also learn from composing their own replies to what they read others have written.

Indeed akhi, I often find that what I write after three or four edits sounds much more logical & stripped of emotions so I save it for work not play lol..

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

U guys are right, sorry for ruining the debate.

 

[Scimitar]

U guys are right, sorry for ruining the debate.

You didn't ruin it bro. Subhan-Allah, this is a learning experience. Alhamdulillah. I'm very proud of you and bro m2p. You will learn a lot here insha-Allah. I'm very happy you brothers are here.

Darwin himself, said in his book "The Origin of the Species" that his theory was improbable, but if it was true - then it would prove itself within 100years... that was waaay over 100 years ago now, and not a bone, nor a transitional fossil, nada... Time the evolutionists woke up.

I'll soon be uploading a documentary which proves Evolution false. For the meantime you can check out my page here: http://www.youtube.com/user/gangstrous

I'll let you know when the doc is up. I promise, you're gonna really like it.

As promised, here you go:

Prepare to be amazed. Allahu Akbar.

 

[جوري]

U guys are right, sorry for ruining the debate.

you didn't everyone is allowed to write.. unless it's someone I dislike ;D j/k even those I dislike if you can believe that!

 

[MustafaMc]

U guys are right, sorry for ruining the debate.

What debate? It seems lately to have been a discussion among Muslims who believe that Allah (swt) created each species or living organisms and that the evolutionists jumped ship. None of us have all of the answers although some have more knowledge than others. Participation on threads like this is a good way to learn - sometimes even learning that we were wrong previously.

 

[Gator]

Hey guys

Just came across this news today http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16065721.

It states that Scientists in South Africa believe a two million-year-old creature could be the "missing link" between apes and humans.

What are your opinions on this? Does this disprove Darwins theories?

Regards.

Hello, Trying to find the "missing link" is tough with all the variations and transitional forms of so many genetic lines. Also the fact that its really hard to make a fossil, there may not be A to B evidence for the direct line. So to say its a direct descendent, though it could well be, I'll withhold judgment.

Actually, I would think it would be another evidence of proof that evolution is correct.

Thanks.

 

[Scimitar]

Proof? that's taking it a bit far don't you think? Unless you are the type that is easily convinced... There is nothing conclusive about the fossil - and the article itself was hardly conclusive. What it did do, was provide a very weak hypothesis. Here, let me quote it:

Scientists in South Africa believe a two million-year-old creature could be the "missing link" between apes and humans.

Researchers discovered a mix of modern and primitive features

The fossilised skeletons of a female and child, known as Australopithecus sediba, were discovered in the Malapa caves near Johannesburg in 2009.
Until now it was believed Homo habilis or Homo rudolfensis, which post-dated Au. sediba by several hundred thousand years, were the most likely ancestors of Homo erectus.
Professor Lee Berger who led the team that found Au. sediba, said: "The fossils demonstrate a surprisingly advanced small brain, a very evolved hand with a long thumb like humans."
They also show "a very modern pelvis, but a foot and ankle shape never seen in any hominin species that combines features of both apes and humans in one anatomical package."
X-ray analysis of the skull showed that although only slightly larger than a chimpanzee's brain, it was human-like in appearance.

The tiny human-like hand of Australopithecus sediba

The hands and feet of the adult female displayed a unique mix of modern and primitive features.
Anthropologist Professor Darryl de Ruiter, from Texas said: "We examined the remains and found several distinct individuals - possibly representing a family group.
"They all seemed to have died suddenly in the same event about 1.9 million years ago, but the remains are in surprisingly good shape."
The professor added: "It's a great find, because it provides strong confirmation for Darwin's theories about evolution.


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Any professor who is trying to find a link will call this kind of thing conclusive. The fact remains that this is an isloated case and can be a result of inter species breeding. Now, if you call that evolution? Then I'd beg you to determine your yardlines. If evolution did occur, then we should have plenty of these fossils in existence. All ver the world... I mean, there are plenty of dinosaur fossils aren't there? Come on... let's use some common sense here.


...Have you not watched the video I posted above?

 

[Gator]

Good point about the word "proof"...I'll paraphrase the professor at the end of the article. I'll leave the original comment unedited so that people can understand what prompted your comment.

Please replace with: "Actually, I would think it is another piece of evidence that indicates evolution is correct."

Thanks.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Gator;

Please replace with: "Actually, I would think it is another piece of evidence that indicates evolution is correct."

But how can evolution happen without God, what tools does nature have to make evolution work?

In the spirit of searching

Eric.

 

[Gator]

Well I would say nature has organic chemistry and biology.

Thanks.

 

[Scimitar]

Gator. If you can stomach a two hr documentary, then I advise you watch The Signs (already linked). Everything you have said has been rebuttled with scientific enquiry and proven (yes PROVEN) to be inaccurate.

Any serious scientist will tell you that evolution is laughable... don't believe me? Then it's simple. Just watch the signs and in the latter half of the video, we come to the subject of evolution. You will see the greatest scientific minds, philosophical ones too - bring you the sum research by way of either hypothesis, or conclusion - proving evolution false.

Your choice. Are you prepared to actually know the truth of the matter?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Gator;

Well I would say nature has organic chemistry and biology.

Thanks.

I could imagine that something like sponges, could evolve with these tools. But we know that species exist with 200 bones, 500 muscles, 500 ligaments and 1000 tendons. This seems to mean that nature not only does organic chemistry and biology, it creates moving objects that need a couple of thousand components to conect and work together in a mechanical way.

There are tides to move chemicals about in the water, tempreture variation, sunlight, what other tools does organic chemistry and biology have. Even with four billion years; these tools seem insufficient to evolve two thousand mechanical components.

Take care

Eric

 

[Gator]

Gator. If you can stomach a two hr documentary, then I advise you watch The Signs (already linked). Everything you have said has been rebuttled with scientific enquiry and proven (yes PROVEN) to be inaccurate.

Any serious scientist will tell you that evolution is laughable... don't believe me? Then it's simple. Just watch the signs and in the latter half of the video, we come to the subject of evolution. You will see the greatest scientific minds, philosophical ones too - bring you the sum research by way of either hypothesis, or conclusion - proving evolution false.

Your choice. Are you prepared to actually know the truth of the matter?

Hi there, I have actually seen this. I found the arguments presented are not really compelling. Thanks.

 

[Gator]

Greetings and peace be with you Gator;



I could imagine that something like sponges, could evolve with these tools. But we know that species exist with 200 bones, 500 muscles, 500 ligaments and 1000 tendons. This seems to mean that nature not only does organic chemistry and biology, it creates moving objects that need a couple of thousand components to conect and work together in a mechanical way.

There are tides to move chemicals about in the water, tempreture variation, sunlight, what other tools does organic chemistry and biology have. Even with four billion years; these tools seem insufficient to evolve two thousand mechanical components.

Take care

Eric

Hello, I believe they are sufficient, though I know it can be really complex and therefore hard to comprehend. Thanks.