Darwins theory of Evolution?

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Zafran said:
salaam

to even question evolution today is like heresy.

peace
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To question has always been heresy akin to Galileo's times.. history repeats itself but people think they're so advanced.. I'd venture to say I'd take a medieval bard who could memorize a thousand page poem and recite it in one setting over these gargantuan bodied bird brained masses of this century..
 
MustafaMc said:
You make a good point that genetic mutations and changes are rarely advantageous to the point they give one an enhanced chance for survival and the carriers of these mutations a selective advantage in subsequent generations. If I remember correctly, Charles Darwin's TOE (Theory of Evolution, thanks EricH) didn't really take hold until after the rediscovery of Gregor Mendel's laws of genetic inheritance. They used genetics to contribute a mechanism for genetic variability for natural selection to act upon for species evolution over time. The problem is that naturalistic evolutionists don't really understand genetics, particularly on the molecular level, and they make gigantic leaps of faith in their theory that they subsequently present as scientific fact. I wholehearedly agree with you that TOE is an atheistic religion with the basic assumption that there is No God and they try to use their twisted science to explain what I believe is unexplainable without the existence of a Creator. I am a scientist and I admit there are limits to what science and the human mind can explain and understand.
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That's the problem isn't it? a couple of vocal atheists with a bachelors in some science feel it important to impose their religious beliefs as factual under all sorts of intellectual bullying..
I have always marveled at their mockery of the Adam & Eve 'fable' when following their brand of nonsense would not only set us back but disable us from accounting for it on any level let alone molecular. They still need to work out how a single celled organism became a complex conscious being and make it into two genders then multiply that positive pattern forward times the number of species in existence ..
I truly pity atheists not just for their short lives and inevitable miserable fate but for their lack of imagination, awe and wonderment ..

I recall the poem:
[h=2]William Blake - Auguries of Innocence[/h]
To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.
 
ßlµêßêll said:
That's the problem isn't it? a couple of vocal atheists with a bachelors in some science feel it important to impose their religious beliefs as factual under all sorts of intellectual bullying..
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What is most amazing to me is that they don't really know if they are dazzling or baffling as in, "Dazzle them with brilliance, or baffle them with BS".
I truly pity atheists not just for their short lives and inevitable miserable fate but for their lack of imagination, awe and wonderment ..
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Pity is a good word for them while they think the same of us. You know that I am amazed at the complexity of life, particularly how half of one's genetic constitution is found in a microscopic sperm and the other half in an egg that unite to define a persons predispostion and potentials. This is an illustration to me of the Majesty of Allah to create a seemingly, self-sustaining system of life. Have you ever thought about the infertility of offspring between similar species like a horse and a donkey > infertile mule? This is an evidence against evolution instead of for it.
I recall the poem:
William Blake - Auguries of Innocence


To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.
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Ever the poet. This reminds me of Buzz Lightyear, "To infinity ... and beyond!" as he attempts to fly and falls on his face.

... but seriously, have you thought about how our bodies are composed of atoms and atoms of subatomic particles with very little actual mass. If we are merely a complicated assemblage of electrical charges, why is it so difficult to fathom our resurrection from the grave? Which reminds me of a line from a song, "all we are is dust in the wind".
 
^^ God is in the details.. and details they never account for like you stated before they skip by bounds and leaps and expect that we should take their word for it because they've reasoned it out in that 'milatonic mind' of theirs..

:w:
 
They presume to know better than God,
36:78] And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own (origin and) Creation
 
ßlµêßêll said:
They presume to know better than God,
36:78] And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own (origin and) Creation
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In reading this passage, I wonder if what is behind their insistence upon undirected, naturalistic evolution as the origin for the species is their unconscience denial of resurrection and trying to salve their conscience with a phisophy that excludes Allah and the ressurrection of the dead.

36:77-79 "Has not man seen that We have created him from a drop of seed? Yet lo! he is an open opponent. And he has coined for Us a similitude, and has forgotten the fact of his creation, saying: Who will revive these bones when they have rotted away? Say: He will revive them Who produced them at the first, for He is Knower of every creation"
 
these "scientists" decide what conclusion they want and dismiss even the strongest of discrepancies.

some of their motivations are laid out here at 1 hr 30 mins:

 
^^ I find those verses far more profound in Arabic sob7an Allah, a book so transcendent on every level and ever revealing the psychology of mankind ..
 
the agenda comes before the truth - their type have had these miracles come to them before
- when Jesus (pbuh) raised the dead before their very eyes by God's leave - they plotted on how to kill the man who was raised because "the people would believe in him".

They (also) said: "Allah took our promise not to believe in an messenger unless He showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (From heaven)."
Say: "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?"
Quran 3:183
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you Trumble;
And of course there was time, up to four billion years as I understand.
What other tools did the TOE have to create life with 200 hundred bones, 500 muscles, 500 ligaments, and a thousand tendons.

Eric
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Time as you indicated is exactly why you have everything you mentioned.
When cells divide and divide, you see an exponential growth

2^2 = 4
2^10 = 1024
2^100 = 1267650600228229401496703205376

Things get out of hand quite quickly so you can think of life like bruteforcing from something small to what it is today over a massive amount of time.
 
Tornado said:
Time as you indicated is exactly why you have everything you mentioned.
When cells divide and divide, you see an exponential growth

2^2 = 4
2^10 = 1024
2^100 = 1267650600228229401496703205376

Things get out of hand quite quickly so you can think of life like bruteforcing from something small to what it is today over a massive amount of time.
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Nice-sounding theory.

Got any proof?
 
Ramadhan said:


Nice-sounding theory.

Got any proof?
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apoptosis is 'programmed cell death' God put in us to prevent that sort of thing from happening.. unconditional division of cells leads to cancer amongst other things.. I always enjoy the nonsense atheists spew :D
 
How does a 'calculator' figure into this? ;D
you're nothing if not entertaining.. Thanks
 
as soon as the soul leaves us - we begin to rot,
why didn't the cells rot?
or did they form a heart to keep them fresh while inanimate?
 
no, that it starts thinking, and flying to the moon,
and the species that we are told is specially chosen to lead since ancient times is now the only species which can corrupt land, sea and air,
the only species which utilises all the accessories we use simply to survive


We did indeed offer the Trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the Mountains; but they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof: but man undertook it;- He was indeed unjust and foolish;- (With the result) that Allah has to punish the Hypocrites, men and women, and the Unbelievers, men and women, and Allah turns in Mercy to the Believers, men and women: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran 33:72-73
 
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