Da'wah to a Sikh

[Pukandi baba]

Hence the opening line in the Granth being dedicated to one fundamental line from which everything else in the Granth (much like the universe itself) is spawned:

Ek Onkar

"There Is One"

There was an article titled ''Russians getting hooked to Sikhism''

Russians stated that they had been greatly impressed by the teachings of Sikhism and had invited Baba Virsa Singh, a Sikh Saint settled in Delhi, to visit Moscow this year to spread the message of the great religion.

Valentin Sidorov has spent some days at the dera of Baba Virsa Singh, who has already translated Jaap Sahib into Russian. Two Russian scholars are now working at the dera translating the holy Guru Granth Sahib into Russian.

Now correct me if i'm wrong but these russians are finding so much peace from reading the Shabad. Not to mention the numerous converts of caucasians in America who have embraced Sikhi! It is the religion of the future.

 

[max314]

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i disagree it is gods hukum that sikhs live according to the baptismal ceremony, this does not mean that god requires non-sikhs to be baptised, but for a sikh baptism is indeed a godly requirement but it must start as an ideal it must not be rigidly imposed - that i would agree with.

Thanks,

ISDhillon

I love being told by mortal human beings about what "God's Will" apparently is :happy:

 

[max314]

I agree with this, as it's the whole concept of Sikhism.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji did the Amrit sanchar as advised by Waheguru/Allah/Ram, it matters not by what name one refers to God in, as in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji these names come-up over and over again.

Guru Nanak Ji only did as was the hukam of the Almighty, nothing different.

Every man, woman and child can do naught but "the hukam of the almighty". It is impossible to defy the Lord's Will. We are each living the Lord's Will right now. Just don't assume that Divine Will and Human Will are driven by the same thing. Because they're not.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Every man, woman and child can do naught but "the hukam of the almighty". It is impossible to defy the Lord's Will. We are each living the Lord's Will right now. Just don't assume that Divine Will and Human Will are driven by the same thing. Because they're not.

Who's claiming it is? Unless you're saying Guru Nanak/Guru Gobind singh ji were mere humans!?

 

[max314]

There was an article titled ''Russians getting hooked to Sikhism''

Russians stated that they had been greatly impressed by the teachings of Sikhism and had invited Baba Virsa Singh, a Sikh Saint settled in Delhi, to visit Moscow this year to spread the message of the great religion.

Valentin Sidorov has spent some days at the dera of Baba Virsa Singh, who has already translated Jaap Sahib into Russian. Two Russian scholars are now working at the dera translating the holy Guru Granth Sahib into Russian.

Now correct me if i'm wrong but these russians are finding so much peace from reading the Shabad. Not to mention the numerous converts of caucasians in America who have embraced Sikhi! It is the religion of the future.

Why do people get so excited when someone 'converts' to their belief system?

It's because each time someone converts, we feel just that bit more validated than before. No-one likes being told that they are wrong. But everyone likes being told that they are right. When we 'convert' someone, it feels like a re-affirmation that our view is the correct one. It's due to two of the 'Five Thieves': attachment (m'öh), and pride (hankär).

There is no definitive 'proof' of any of the religions. If there was, none of these debates would even be happening. There are only beliefs. And as such, none of them require evidential back-up; it's all argument-by-assertion.

"It's like this!"

"No, it's like this!"

Totally useless. You may as well construct a floating citadel in the clouds and live out the rest of your days in it.

 

[max314]

Who's claiming it is? Unless you're saying Guru Nanak/Guru Gobind singh ji were mere humans!?

I said that we are all living out the Will of God right now.

And let's see: two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears, walks like a man, talks like a man, looks like a man...holy smokes! I think they were men! kay:

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I said that we are all living out the Will of God right now.

And let's see: two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears, walks like a man, talks like a man, looks like a man...holy smokes! I think they were men! kay:

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit!

Anyway here's a quote dissect, this and feed it to me Max!

Pragat Sagal Her Bhavan Mein Jan Nanak Gur Parbrahm". "Aap Narain Kala Dhaar Jag Mein Parvaraio"

P.S Who claimed we weren't living within his will? I most certainly didn't!

 

[max314]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit!

And I am the lowest form of life, so it suits me fine

Oh, and I hope you know just how sarcastic Guru Nanak was...

"I'm watering my fields!" :giggling: That's why I like him...he never takes anything too seriously and just has a great time...we should learn from him!

Anyway here's a quote dissect, this and feed it to me Max!

Pragat Sagal Her Bhavan Mein Jan Nanak Gur Parbrahm". "Aap Narain Kala Dhaar Jag Mein Parvaraio"

Might I be so bold as to ask for a translation? I get some of it, but not enough to make a comment. Thanks in advance

P.S Who claimed we weren't living within his will? I most certainly didn't!

If you read my posts back, I never actually accused anyone of saying that kay:

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

And I am the lowest form of life, so it suits me fine

Oh, and I hope you know just how sarcastic Guru Nanak was...

"I'm watering my fields!" :giggling: That's why I like him...he never takes anything too seriously and just has a great time...we should learn from him!


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It is only best suited to Guruji


Aap Narain Kala Dhaar Jag Meh Parwario
Nirankar Akaar Jot Jag Mandal Kario

Sri Guru Granth Sahib (1395)

The Formless God having assumed the Sacred Form of Sri Guru Amar Das Ji has illuminated the World.

No i do not worship the Guru's as they forbid this, but you say all they were just humans, nothing more nothing less, this Shabad would say you're wrong!

Gur Fateh!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

<<The Formless God having assumed the Sacred Form of Sri Guru Amar Das Ji has illuminated the World. >>

i donot read thhe translation as such.

Where is reference to Guru Amar Das ji ?
this is from the bani of Bhatt saints.

please explain how you deduce that they said this to be Guru Amar Das ji ?

http://www.srigurugranthsahib.org/guru-amar-das/homage-by-bards.htm

 

[Khoza]

And I am the lowest form of life, so it suits me fine

Oh, and I hope you know just how sarcastic Guru Nanak was...

"I'm watering my fields!" :giggling: That's why I like him...he never takes anything too seriously and just has a great time...we should learn from him!

hahah good one

 

[Optimistic]

Assalamualaikum!

Does anbody here have any tips as to how to give da'wah to a sikh?
Or is anyone here a revert from Sikhism?
Or does anyone know of any such contradictions or scientific errors in the Sikh teachings?
Is there any good site for these questions if none of you know the answer?

Basically i have a sikh friend who recently has taken a real disliking towards Islam when he found out according to Islam, only Muslims go to heaven and all other followers of other religions go to hell. He thinks all religions are right and basically they are all a different form of discipline, for example some people pray 5 times a day to discipline themselves and be good people, some people go to church, some people grow their hair long like sikhs. But basically all are different paths to God

The basic argument i have agaisnt HIS views are, that Sikhism is contradicting itself big time. How can all religions be right, seeing as religions like Christianity Judaism and Islam all believe the whole purpose of their life revolves round the fact we will e going to heaven/hell, whilst religions like Sikhsim n Hinduism believe in reincarnation
Christianity believes Jesus is Son of God, whilst Islam emphatically says the oppisite, saing it is blasphemous to say this
Hinduism says there are lots of Gods and for example Judaism says theres one God. How can all these religions be right, its as if your saying God said one thing to one set of epople, and said something totall different to another set, ie saying he is lieing and that just can't be

Anyway these are my views regarding his views, but i'm not too sure if these are the correct Sikh beliefs
Please can someone comment or help me on this topic, or provide a decent site about this

How can Sikhism claim to have a complete way of Life?

Sikhism is claimed to be a complete way of life, but Sikhism does not have the answers from their scriptures for the following questions :-
How much tax should I pay in a Sikh State, as a Non-Sikh?
What is the ruling in Sikhism regarding testimony in a court?
What is the ruling in Sikhism regarding the sentence for stealing?
What is the ruling in Sikhism regarding the age of maturity?
What is the ruling in Sikhism regarding my relations with my neighbour?
What is the ruling in Sikhism regarding how I should treat an animal?
What is the ruling in Sikhism regarding lawful earnings?
What is the ruling in Sikhism regarding killing a non-Sikh and the punishment for that?
What is the ruling in Sikhism regarding riding a horse?
What is the ruling in Sikhism if I use a nuclear weapon?

Sikhism only covers prayer and religious obligations. It has no understanding of how to interact with the real world. It has no detailed economic system, social system, or ruling system.

Sikhism is not alone in this. There is no belief in the entire world, except Islam, that has the answers to problems that mankind encounter on a day to day basis. In Islam, the Qu’ranic verses on Society outnumber verses on individual worship many times over. In the hadith books, only 3 or 4 chapters relate to ibadaat ( individual worship ), whilst over 100 chapters in Bukhari relate to muamalaat ( societal transactions).

Islam contains a complete ruling, economic, social and ritual system, applicable to all times and places because it is from the Creator, Allah (SWT), your God and my God.


For this book to be the 11th Guru, the final way to God and scripture in its own right, surely it would have to be a perfect book, free from errors and contradictions? However, we find that this is not the case. Some errors include :-
Teaching God to be “Sargun” (Possessing Attributes) and “Nargun” ( Possessing no Attributes).
Claims there is only one way to God, then says many ways
Reincarnation is taught in one section, yet is rejected elsewhere

How can it be that a Divinely inspired book, a Guru, a way to God, be so full of contradictions?
In addition to this, the Book provides no details of the origins of the Earth or of Man, and provides no answers to “where did we come from” as a result. Surely any divinely inspired text would present Gods answer to these questions?

 

[Yunussalaf]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم والصلاة والسلام على نبينا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين

The best dawah is the dawah to Tawheed (monotheism), the Oneness of Allah. And you will find the Indians, hindus, Sikhs and many other nations and religions worshipping other than Tawheed. Usually this is because they do no realize that Allah The Most High is not a part of the creation. Therefore an important thing to know about Tawheed is the we have the creation and we have The Creator. These two never mix. However, The Creator - ALLAH - is present in the creation by His knowledge but not by His essence.
Even many Muslims fall in to the trap of mixing the creation with The Creator which is shirk small or big.
Therefore I suggest to read and know what is meant by Tawheed. There are many articles about this in most languages. Here's one site in English which I know to be trustworthy:

https://www.abukhadeejah.com/category/monotheism/

Here's another site which seems to be specialized on Sikhism but I don't know the site well:

http://www.islamsikhism.com

And Allah Knows Best.