AceofHearts said:
Since you believe that anyone who rejects Hadith as guidance and follows only the Qur'an becomes a non-Muslim, in a Sunni state, would you put such people to death, assuming such a person was a former Sunni?
The rulings pertaining to apostasy are explained here:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_d...ection=wel_islam&subsection=Misconceptions#28
Whether a hadith-rejector qualifies as an apostate depends on what exactly the views of that individual are and their understanding. Hadith-rejectors do not follow the Qur'an only, since the Qur'an commands one to follow the sunnah. Hadith-rejectors follow the Qur'an only
when it suits their preconceived views and whims. They are free to distort the verses to mean whatever, whether they do it deny prayer, to justify the killings of innocents, etc.
Who said I said these brothers rejected the Qur'an? I responded to Ahmed's post where he posted scholarly quotes where it said rejecting Hadith makes one a disbeliever. I proved using the Qur'an, that according to the Qur'an, only those who reject the Qur'an, and NOT the Hadith books are 'disbelievers'.
Petitio principii. The Qur'an says that those who reject the revelation are disbelievers, you assume that revelation refers exclusively to the Qur'an, a claim which was definitively debunked in this post:
http://www.islamicboard.com/525614-post153.html
After which you tried to retract your statement but only magnified the blunder; see here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/528430-post174.html
But I cannot accept the use of it as divine law because the Qur'an gives no authority to texts written after it.
Wrong, you've made many feeble attempts to deny the explicit verses provided but all your attempts have been refuted point-by-point one after another. See the above links. After each refutation you drop that issue and run to another. When you run out of claims, you wait a while and then resurface with the exact same ones!
And no, the Hadith has not been written by the same people who wrote the Qur'an. The Qur'an was written down streight away, the everyday words the Prophet was speaking was not.
The Qur'an was written by men. As you said humans can make mistakes, why should we trust fallible men to transmit the Qur'an to us? And what you claim abotu hadeeth was refuting again and again almost every other post in this thread! Read about the hadith compilations of the companions who wrote down the hadith during the life of the Prophet saws:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=434§ion=indepth&subsection=Hadeeth
I challenge you to provide any reason why we should prefer the preservation of the Qur'an over that of Ahadith. The same people who preserved the Qur'an preserved the hadith. "written down streight away" by WHO? the same companions who wrote down ahadith straight away.
The Qur'an is self explenatory - you just have to be sincere, have faith in Allah, and be willing to think.
That's what the Christians thought and now look at how many ways they interpret the Bible. Allah has protected us from all this deviation by giving us a crystal clear path to follow from which no one can deviate:
Irbaad ibn Sariyah reported that Prophet (saw) said:
“I have left you upon clear white ground, its night is like its day, no one deviates from it except that he is destroyed, and whoever lives among you will see great differences (controversy). So stick to what you know from my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly acting (raashideen) rightly guided (mahdiyeen) khulafaa, cling to that with your molar teeth. (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan At-Tirmidhi, Sunan Ibn Maajah, Sunan Al-Bayhaqi)
We reply when it is convenient for us to do so around other schedules of life.
And by convenient you mean wait it out and spread some subtle anti-hadith misguidance in other threads, then both of you plan to respond together and raise the exact same issues that were already discussed one month ago, as if people have no long-term memory.
