Deliberate Killing Of UN Observer In Lebanon

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In a combat situation it's probably not as easy as it seems to tell friend from foe. If you see a guy with a bug gun coming round the corner in a place full of enemy soldiers you're quite likely to shoot instinctively, and then find out who it is.
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I guess your right... the closest i've ever come to being on the front line is on call of duty and even then i make mistakes.

But i do think what these guys did was a mistake, what benifit would it do for them of ot was planned???
 
I guess your right... the closest i've ever come to being on the front line is on call of duty and even then i make mistakes.

But i do think what these guys did was a mistake, what benifit would it do for them of ot was planned???
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Yup, the closest most of us here have been to the front line is on a video game, in my case Halo. Not that I play video games anymore now that I've reverted to Islam.

I don't think Israel intended to kill UN visitors, but it does show that they are heartless enough to fire at some guys in civilian clothing that were just standing there. Probably thought that they were lebanese.
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Much appreciated, although I'm not sure why you are calling the murder of a helpless hospital patient 'awesome'.

I'm calling it awesome due to the reference of the battered ambulance. If the IDF can lay waste to something like a red cross ambulance, surely the killing of the UN observer or any other civilians is NO accident. It's simply deliberately done...... How gruesome!
 
I'm calling it awesome due to the reference of the battered ambulance. If the IDF can lay waste to something like a red cross ambulance, surely the killing of the UN observer or any other civilians is NO accident. It's simply deliberately done...... How gruesome!
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This sort of thing is why I think Israel is doing this as a kind of collective punishment, kind of like what the British and/or Americans did to Tripoli to stop piracy. It's like dropping a bomb on your house just to get rid of rats.
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It's like a feeding frenzy on bad ideas.
There is no benefit to them killing Un peacekeepers on purpose.
 
:rollseyes Anan is an idiot and irresponsible for his comments. Why would Israel purposely attack the UN when public oppinion is on their side? It makes no sense militarily. You guys might think Israel is bloodthirsty but they aren't stupid.
I don't believe he is an idiot, but his comments were irresponsible and premature. No, the government of Israel is certainly not stupid.
that is right geronimo,
the israelis accidently opened fire at them with artillery 10 times and then accidently dropped a precision bomb on them.
people accidently shell their neighbours with artillery so often, dont understand what the UN is getting so upset about.
Daw'ud
It does seem crazy. Yet when you consider the incredible number of friendly fire deaths in the US military alone of their own soldiers, it becomes obvious that there is a huge amount of room for error.
yep deliberate killing, Israel can pretty much kill anyone they like without any questions asked even if someone does speak up against it they'll just say it was in self defense. Just like the self defensing theyre doing now.
It is unlikely that it was done deliberately.
Only someone who is truly and utterley blind will after all these acts and the past acts say that USA ,ISrael and UK are not working together to control the world...
That is a seperate issue, perhaps you want to start a thread?
they are not democratic and care not for lives of women and children
Clearly a country that has an elected government is democratic. The women and children comment is a little bit silly, and for emotional effect.
Anyother country would be destroyed by now if they had done this!
By whom? The UN? This is doubtful. The UN has much patience, and diplomacy is their main weapon. It would need to get quite messy before any military action was considered.
WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED!
At this point, there has not been any proof. We don't know what actually happened, or why.
Why would Isreal want to kill UN soldiers?
So any nation who would potentially contribute to a peacekeeping or observation force between Israel and Lebanon would seriously decide to think twice or three times before commiting their troops to it.
A shot across the bow, as it were.
A very interesting possibility, and I did actually stop and ponder this for a moment. But the problem I see with it is that it is doubtful that the Israeli government wants to re-occupy Lebanon because it is costly, accomplishes little, and there is almost no public support for the idea in Israel. Also, the risk of angering allies is too great. I don't believe this is true.
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If Israel is only hitting civilians by accident, then why is there a hole shot through this Lebanese ambulance right in the middle of the red cross?
The same reason there are so many friendly fire incidents in the US military.
ignorance is amazing!
Indeed. Ignorance leads to conspiracy theories.
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In a combat situation it's probably not as easy as it seems to tell friend from foe. If you see a guy with a bug gun coming round the corner in a place full of enemy soldiers you're quite likely to shoot instinctively, and then find out who it is.
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Yes, among many other factors, it is not always easy, even with hi-tech weaponry.
It's like a feeding frenzy on bad ideas.
There is no benefit to them killing Un peacekeepers on purpose.
I would not say there is no benefit, at least one poster has suggested a possible benefit. It just seems unlikely considering all the information. Among the reasons I stated earlier, they also cannot afford the bad publicity.
 
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I wonder..... why must when the Israeli's do anything gruesome, there is always an acceptable excuses for that.

When they attack & killed the UN observer, it is not done deliberately. They are NOT guilty for any wrong doing. When they attacked the infrastructure, civilians, ambulance etc..., they r still not guilty. Yeah right! This is the most sickening reasoning that I've heard so far.

It seems that the pro-Israeli's lobby group in the whole world (particularly in the US) have indeed accomplished their ultimate goals. For no matter what the Israeli's decided to do, they will always get away from it unscathed. No questions asked. That's the plain truth.
 
The same reason there are so many friendly fire incidents in the US military.
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If you're in an F16 it's pretty obvious that anything with a big red cross on it is not the super-secret lair of Hezbollah.
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A lot of people tend to defenf Israel all the time.they always say that they kill by mistake.They're not saints you know!And the over-use of power proves it.
 
Annan's Claims On Casualties May Unravel
BY BENNY AVNI - Staff Reporter of the Sun
July 27, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/36860

UNITED NATIONS — An apparent discrepancy in the portrayal of events surrounding the deaths of four unarmed U.N. observers in Lebanon threatens to unravel Secretary-General Annan's initial accusation that Israel "deliberately" targeted the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon.

A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were "all over" the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israel's target, the deceased observer wrote.

A senior U.N. peacekeeping operation official who briefed the press yesterday, however, said that on the day the deaths occurred, the only "known Hezbollah activity was 5 kilometers away."The official's briefing was conditioned on anonymity, but the undersecretary-general for peacekeeping operations, Jane Holl Lute, supplied the Security Council with similar information at an earlier briefing yesterday.

"To our knowledge, unlike the vicinity of some of our other patrol bases, Hezbollah firing was not taking place within the immediate vicinity" of the base that was hit Tuesday.

Based on reporting by the U.N.'s peacekeeping chief, Jean-Marie Guéhenno, Mr. Annan alleged in Rome Tuesday that the incident was an apparent "deliberate targeting by Israeli Defense Forces of a U.N. Observer post in southern Lebanon." Although Mr. Annan began to backtrack yesterday, his spokeswoman, Marie Okabe, said he stood by the accusation.

Mr. MacKenzie, who after retiring from the Canadian military became a politician, had a very different interpretation. "I happen to know" the now-deceased Canadian U.N. observer, Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, Mr. MacKenzie told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in a radio interview yesterday.

"We've received e-mails from him a few days ago and he was describing the fact that he was taking fire within, in one case, three meters of his position ‘for tactical necessity — not being targeted,'" Mr. MacKenzie said he wrote.

In one such e-mail, obtained by The New York Sun, Hess-von Kruedener wrote about heavy IDF artillery and aerial bombardment "within 2 meters of our position." The Israeli shooting, he added, "has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

The correspondence between the trooper and former commander amounted to "veiled speech in the military," Mr. MacKenzie, who once commanded the U.N. troops in Bosnia, told the CBC. "What he was telling us was Hezbollah fighters were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them, and that's a favorite trick by people who don't have representation in the U.N. They use the U.N. as shields knowing that they cannot be punished for it."

A spokesman for the peacekeeping operation department, Nicholas Birnbach, told the Sun yesterday that when the U.N. official told reporters that there was no Hezbollah activity within three miles of the U.N. camp, she was referring only to the Monday incident and not to the time period of several days earlier described in the UNIFIL observer's e-mail.

Mr. Birnbach, however, declined to produce a UNIFIL report that would back up Ms. Lute's assertion that there was no Hezbollah activity in the immediate vicinity of the post, which was manned by three other observers beside Hess-von Kruedener.

Mr. Annan and the peacekeeping official yesterday said they now "accept" Prime Minister Olmert's conveyance of regret over the incident. They also said they accept Mr. Olmert's characterization of it as a "tragic mistake," the official said. Ms. Okabe, however, told the Sun yesterday that Mr. Annan would not retract his assertion that Israel deliberately targeted the post.

Mr. Annan and Ms. Lute yesterday welcomed Mr. Olmert's announcement that Israel would launch an investigation, which "we believe should be done jointly with the United Nations," Ms. Lute said.

France's U.N. ambassador, Jean-Marc de la Sabliere, who holds the Security Council presidency, said yesterday he too would like to see a joint investigation, which he said would be beneficial to Israel, adding credibility to the results.

Israel's deputy U.N. ambassador, Daniel Carmon, told the Sun, however, that while the IDF would welcome "any U.N. input," it did not intend to launch a joint investigation. "We will conduct a thorough investigation and inform the U.N. of the results in detail," he said.

The council yesterday attempted to agree on a statement on the deaths of the U.N. observers, but the American ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, objected to any condemnation of Israel. Mr. Bolton also warned against using the incident as a "backdoor way of getting a cease-fire or other larger political and military questions," he told reporters.

Mr. Annan has called for "immediate cessation of hostilities." During yesterday's council briefing on the UNIFIL incident, Ms. Lute said, "I reiterate" that call.
 
A lot of people tend to defenf Israel all the time.they always say that they kill by mistake.They're not saints you know!And the over-use of power proves it.
Hi Lara,
my own veiw is that they are extremely careless and negligent, but not purposely targeting noncombatants. There is not a good strategic reason to do this.
 
From the U.N. observers e-mail to the general, it appears that Hezbollah was swarming around the U.N. post because they thought it would give them protection from Israeli warplanes. Unfortunately for the U.N. observers, Hezbollah added them to the list of those they hide behind.
 
You are so bias - your a humble slave to the zionist - what a retarded statement - 6 hours UN asked ISrael to stop and they wouldn't - this was nothing to do with hizbollah nor was it an accident
 
hizbollah are not hiding also - quit repeating dumb propaganda - if ISrael had guts - they should've sent their troops in and fought hizbollah face to face
 
From the U.N. observers e-mail to the general, it appears that Hezbollah was swarming around the U.N. post because they thought it would give them protection from Israeli warplanes. Unfortunately for the U.N. observers, Hezbollah added them to the list of those they hide behind.
yeah tell that to China, Finland, Austria and Canada....
 
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hizbollah are not hiding also - quit repeating dumb propaganda - if ISrael had guts - they should've sent their troops in and fought hizbollah face to face

Why would they want to send in their troops and risk more casualties? That's illogical.
 
You are so bias - your a humble slave to the zionist - what a retarded statement - 6 hours UN asked ISrael to stop and they wouldn't - this was nothing to do with hizbollah nor was it an accident

Then I suppose an e-mail from the U.N. observer was intended to give an excuse for the "Zionists" before he died, that way even though he was killed by an Israeli bomb, those stupid people who believe what he writes wouldn't blame Israel. :rollseyes
 
Then I suppose an e-mail from the U.N. observer was intended to give an excuse for the "Zionists" before he died, that way even though he was killed by an Israeli bomb, those stupid people who believe what he writes wouldn't blame Israel. :rollseyes
Now even Anan is backing off the comments they were targeted.
 

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