I guess I can take 10, 20 minutes to say my final statements and end my discussion. It's like 10 against 1 here. I don't have the energy to argue with 10 people right now. It's better if I put my energy into my studies.
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Who is OBL? Is he not another one of bush's friends? his business partner? I could claim responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. Does that mean it's true? There are many evidences proving that 9/11 attacks were all planed by the us government. We can never say for sure who was responsible. We could all be right, as well as wrong.
This is all just ridiculous speculation... here have a look at this site
I am sure you will either a) not respond or b) call it some sort of propoganda
In politics everything can be called a propaganda. Like I said, no one can say who did it for sure. It could have been saddam hussein, but bin ladan took responsibility. Who knows? Guess we'll have to wait for the day of judgement for all these secrets to be revealed.
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The usa has NO right to be in Afghanistan. Is Afghanistan OUR neighboring coutry or yours? If that's the case Iran should be there. Since the arrival of us troops the number of drug addicts has gone up like crazy, as well as exports. . .
They were harboring OBL, they had a choice to hand him over or go to war, they chose war
Who had a choice? The non-existing governemt? The oppressed women and children?
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What gives the usa the right to make a rash decision and take thousands of innocent lives? Who made the usa the boss? All countries can take care of themselves without any help from the usa. A solution for middle east? Middle east doesn't need any if the problem (usa & israel) didn't exist.
As I said before, you cant make an attack on someones soil like OBL did and not expect a military response, plain and simple. The US isnt looking for a solution for the middle east, the US is looking for a security solution for its own grass. Changing your values, etc. means nothing to the US because as you said, most people dont even know or care for that matter.
I didn't know the us grass grows in the middle of international waters. Very interesting! They started a war on Afghanistan, couldn't capture obl, get out already! Stop stealing their uranium. Maybe that's what you meant? Security solution for its own grass = stealing uranium?
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He was in fact a product of the usa. Who was fueling him with weapons in the Iran-Iraq war? If he had any weapons of mass destruction it was all leftovers from usa's support, and also germany, france, etc.
Iran got weapons from the US as well, the US wasnt supporting either country since they were both a threat to us. The idea was probably more along the lines of let them destroy each other
Iran was buying weapons from anywhere it could. Most countries were supporting Iraq and just giving them the weapons for free. Iran had to purchase most of their weapons from illegal merchants.
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There are many theories regarding the shah of Iran. One being that the shah had gained too much power which made the usa fear him. This theory even says that khomeini was working with the usa!
What sense does that make? The Shah was dying of cancer, Khomeini wanted him back to put him on trial, the US didnt extradite him, Khomeini allowed the students to take the US embassy, and the whole point was to draw the US into releasing the Shah back to Iran.. If the Shah were a threat to the US why not support Khomeini and avoid the conflict all together?
Read a couple of books on the Iranian revolution. As you already know, Iran's revolution was unique, and there are many theories on what started it, what happened, why it happened, etc. That was just one of the theories. I didn't make it up.
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Oh it's excellent, thanks for asking. How's the recession doing in the usa?
Percentage of poor people, hmmmm, where did you get these percentages? I'm happy with my life here, and we help as many poor people as possible. Even though there aren't many poor people, but our several thousand year old culture teaches us to help the needy.
Recession? hmmm I guess 4% economy growth could be a recession, if you just figure it is because it isnt 8% anymore, but I would say growth in an economy with a real estate slump and at war time is pretty good wouldnt you? I wonder how Ahmadinejad would handle that???? Not well I would guess.. As far as your figures go, I would say any country with an average GDP per capita of $8900.00 is pretty poor, I make more than that in 1 month. Or I could go with the figure of 40% of people living below the poverty line, or the Iranian government estimate of 15% unemployment, when obviously that is an understatement. (by the way I am sure you will have something to say about the site this is quoted from but the same information can be derived from any other site that you wish to find it on)
Currencies are different. Everything has a different cost in all countries. Those statistics mean nothing. How much do you pay for 1 liter of gas? We pay less than 20 cents. Iran's government is less than 3 decades old. It is still a child and has not fully grown, it's still in the developing process. With all the pressure from other countries, with the 8 year war at the start of this new government, with all these sanctions imposed on the government, I believe they're still doing a good job.
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Ahmadinejad is doing a fantastic job, I'd love to see bush in Ahmadinejad's situation, and compare the results. With all these sanctions and pressure that's on Iran, he's doing a fabulous job.
I find it amusing you think he is different or better than Bush... By the way have you seen any of that oil money he promised when he was running for president?
Him and bush are both the same idiot.
Yes actually I have. You cannot pass judgement on some place where you don't live. My dad's paycheck was raised by almost 50%. He started a lot of new projects in the city, like tunnels, connecting the entire country by fiber optics, etc . . .These all came from the oil money
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News hot from the oven: usa naval base commander confesses the explosions weren't from Iran....something called philipine monkey....don't remember exactly, I'm sleepy!
provide proof (hope it isnt any opiates that are making you sleepy or delusional, since Iran does have the highest number of opiate users in the world...)
It was on the news last night, I'll post a link if I have the time to look for it.
Again, some useless statistics by people who don't even live here.
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What are the naval bases doing all the way here anyways? Go home to your own country!
just looking out for our countries best interests
Alright, they can keep fishing in international waters. Good job.
BY the way, I should add that I am not meaning to demean the Iranian people either. I am sure they are great people, I am demeaning their government because with the amount of oil revenues that they have coming in their people could be living much better... I think that they could be a lot like the Sauds in that respect that the government does whatever it wants with the money whether it be to fill their own pockets or whatever. In regards to this thread, I have to say again if the Iranian military wants to strike a US carrier or ship expect a reprucussion. I dont think they are stupid enough to do it, but then again who knows... If they did I would support a US military response, but otherwise I say just leave them alone. The problem is Iran is at much to blame as the US, the harsh rhetoric gets us no where and only fuels the fire. You should be condemning those Iranians who threatened the US ships, they had no right to do that, those ships were in international waters. Think if they attacked, whose fault would that have been? Not the US's, so then what are you fighting for?
Again, search for the news. Iran did not threaten those ships in any way.
Every country has its poor as well as rich people. I know all the money from the oil doesnt make it into our pockets, a lot of it is spent in Lebanon and Palestine. As a citizen in Iran, we're not having any financial problems, life is great as it is. We're living cofortably. You cannot judge the living conditions here, since you have never lived here. The statistics given out could be somewhat true, but they're mostly lies to make the government look bad. It's all false advertising against Iran. (Keep in mind that I'm not denying the poverty, but the statistics are mostly exaggerating). You cannot compare your own income with people's income here. Having a $1000 income in Iran is considered somewhat rich. You could even save $300, $400 of that income and still have an easy life.
Moshen;
How old are you?
I live near one of the biggest Persian communities in the US and have several good Persian friends. They are engineers and IT guys and doctors and such. You know what...none of them sound like you.
No two people sound a like. duh! I'm 23 and an engineer. so what?
Well, I've spent enough time with this post.
To sum it up, I'm not saying the government here is 100% honest. No government in the world is free from corruption. But life here isn't as bad as the media shows. Why don't they show the rich neighborhoods for a change? I could do a documentary in Harlem, NYC and claim this is the united states. would that be true?
If the usa wanted to attack Iran, they would have done that a long time ago. You can be sure that usa will never start a war against Iran. Even if Iran doesn't win the war, this "beast" will be heavily wounded, and might not recover so easily, or not recover at all.
Anyways, these discussions will get nowhere. The government never show their true selves. Who knows? Maybe in secret these two government are best of friends and these are all for show?
