Democracy

[Bittersteel]

Could you please tell me what you mean by a "liberal" democracy?

democratic nation with liberal laws.that is a nation governed not by religious laws,but by secular/liberal ones.at least that's what I understand by it.
liberalism isn't allowed in Islam.
and real Islamic democracies won't be like western democracies.Woodrow seems to explain a lot better than I can though.
Islam allows criticism ,somewhat an independent judiciary,and other such things.It also restricts a lot of freedoms found in western nations.

say if an Islamic nation is democratic and the people are somewhat liberal ,they might choose a liberal to be their leader,who might not establish non-discretionary state laws punishing those who do not follow a dress code,or may only give jail sentence for kidnappers,smugglers(instead of execution),etc,without removing other discretionary laws like the law of execution for murderers.
But if they do remove the mandatory Sharia laws,the country will become a secular nation,being which isn't allowed.
hope I could have explained.

In islam there is no such a thing as man made laws,and it is wrong to follow them.

What did god say about doing 45 MPH in a school zone?

hehe,there are non-discretionary laws.Taazir laws I think they are called.Like acts such as drug smuggling is forbidden but there is no law written in the Quran or Hadith ,so the state must make some laws.same goes for not wearing the hijab or the veil and other forbidden acts.

 

[Cognescenti]

We're getting taxed like crazy in the states. You can say that it's imposed on us, and we Must pay it...

Hey! We actually agree on something

 

[wilberhum]

AZIZ

real Islamic democracies

That is a contradiction of terms. An Islamic government by definition would be a theocracy.

so the state must make some laws

So they would be man made laws.
I quote:

In islam there is no such a thing as man made laws,and it is wrong to follow them.

So you can’t make laws about speeding.

Why does this seam like a circle jerk? :skeleton:

 

[Cognescenti]

Well here in the UK I don't see much of a democracy.... One fraud has gone this year and another has come in even though he has not been voted in has come in!!. But it’s a democracy right so I can vote for which liar I want.

Fewer than 4 out of every 10 registered voters actually voted!!!!
What’s the point voting if you take out one con for another con?

Democracy..... Gives you the choice.. know one ever asked choice of what?

Cons:raging:

Using voter turnout as a gage for the health of a system of government is dumb. The highest levels of voter turnout tend to be found in states where there has been long-standing oppression of political speech and democracy is newly offered to the people (like Haiti for eg when Baby Doc was ousted).

Sometimes voter apathy is just a reflection of content with the status quo.

Try running a national referendum in the UK over the imposition of Sharia law or a law to ban alcohol or an ordinance to require a burka for all women and see what kind of turnout you get.

 

[Bittersteel]

So you can’t make laws about speeding.

no we can.Outbider must have been referring to other laws,like the criminal and the laws governing social issues like marriage,divorce which can't be changed.oh to be specific the Hudood laws.
There are some rulings called Taazir rulings or laws,like I said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tazir
sorry can't post an Islamic website,I hope some else can.

 

[wilberhum]

no we can.Outbider must have been referring to other laws,like the criminal and the laws governing social issues like marriage,divorce which can't be changed.oh to be specific the Hudood laws.
There are some rulings called Taazir rulings or laws,like I said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tazir
sorry can't post an Islamic website,I hope some else can.

Seams like that Circle Jerk I was talking about.

Any way, it is off topic.

If we are talking about democracy, we are not talking about Islam.

 

[Bittersteel]

nope the thread starter has made a connection,IMO.Democracy in Muslim nations and how Muslims view it.so the Sharia does come into the discussion.

 

[Idris]

The highest levels of voter turnout tend to be found in states where there has been long-standing oppression of political speech and democracy is newly offered to the people (like Haiti for eg when Baby Doc was ousted).

Wow I didn’t know that… but why is the US spending so much time crusading around the world for democracy? Anyways we are talking about the United Kingdom or the United States of kingdom.. that don’t sound right, however then ever the UK is mention the US is link to it like a twin.

Try running a national referendum in the UK over the imposition of Sharia law or a law to ban alcohol or an ordinance to require a burka for all women and see what kind of turnout you get.

I don’t get it... is it a trick question?

 

[KAding]

I don’t get it... is it a trick question?

His point is that turnout is always lower if the stakes are low enough. Hold a referendum in a non-Muslim country about implementing the Sharia and plenty of people will get very worried and go out and vote.

 

[MuhammadRizan]

Salam.

the Mouszlem can make new Law u guys!, but only for new matters with method that Prophet Muhammad taught, check it at my unpopular, silent like a graveyard thread "the Laws of God".lol.

 

[Zman]

, it isnt imposed, you could not pay it and then go to jail

Technically, it is imposed. At least with Jail, you'll have a roof over your head, and a meal.

Taxes are like economic sanctions. If you don't pay food taxes (for example), then you don't get to eat and slowly starve to death.

The same goes with other taxes. If you don't pay it, you don't get the service.

They're even taxing bottles of water. Two-thirds of planet's surface is covered by water, and they're still taxing it.

Taxes are on the increase, raises & standards of living are on the decrease.

There are 50 million Americans who have no health insurance.

They can find billions, trillions to fund 2 b/s wars (Afghanistan/Iraq), yet can't seem to find the money to rebuild New Orleans.

What a crock!