Deploy troops in Iran...!

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theyre something fishy about this, the uk sailers who were in theyre boats should have been able to see the iranian ship from over 20 miles away or so and also why did the helicopter who was hooovering over the sailers not intervene and stop the iranian taking the sailers.
 
noodles said:
I do believe she is correct.

People I do believe this is meant to be discussed politely and with manner. If you do want to state your opinion, do so in a polite fashion.

It seems many of us are forgetting how act in a civil manner.
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We are having out little online war.....:p
 
samah12 said:
Sami. I understand that Muslims are to protect each other, see my earlier comment that I am Muslim and British so I think I understand that Muslims are international not just middle eastern better than you do. An example of what I was trying to say is that if a man steals from a bank and he is Muslim should we all go to protect him? No, he has committed a crime. So if someone is arrested for terrorist offences (as long as he is not tortured and given opportunity to defend himself) then this is a political/legal issue not a religious one. Or do you feel that he should not be arrested simply because he is Muslim? The British people taken were either in the wrong waters (disputed between Iran and Iraq for centuries) or were taken as a political tool. How is this a religious issue?
If you call me ignorant again I shall simply not discuss with you.

England. There are a number of european historians that believe the grandfather of Hitler was a jew and this fuelled his hatred of the jews.
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I know nothing about Adolph Hitler's Grandfather but to call Adolph Hitler a Jew is INSANE... :giggling:
 
I do not agree that UK or US should have gone to war in the Middle East and yes our governments lied to us. We had to do something to protect the Kurds and Kuwaiti's, (as we protected the Muslims in Bosnia) but this probably could have been done through diplomatic means rather than bombing and killing. As a Brit I am truly ashamed of my country for the destruction and civil war it has brought to Iraq over oil but I do not think that makes the British bad people, it just means we have a bad government.

However, I now live in the middle east and believe me the governments there lie as well, torture in police stations is normal and bribes rule the country. So who has the perfect system?
 
No, to call Hitler a jew is an insult to the millions of jews he murdered. Just thought I'd point out it isn't just the loony in Iran that says that.
 
samah12 said:
I do not agree that UK or US should have gone to war in the Middle East and yes our governments lied to us. We had to do something to protect the Kurds and Kuwaiti's, (as we protected the Muslims in Bosnia) but this probably could have been done through diplomatic means rather than bombing and killing. As a Brit I am truly ashamed of my country for the destruction and civil war it has brought to Iraq over oil but I do not think that makes the British bad people, it just means we have a bad government.

However, I now live in the middle east and believe me the governments there lie as well, torture in police stations is normal and bribes rule the country. So who has the perfect system?
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Indeed. But still does not mean we can throw our weight around. If we do, expect retaliation it's the only thing for it.
 
The helicopter would not intervene or this would be an act of aggression and the start of something even worse than we have now. The British would know the Iranian boat was 20 miles away but if they believed they were in Iraqi waters why should they worry about it?

I agree avar, unfortunately it is the ordinary people that always suffer, women buying oil at the market in Iraq, people on the bus going to work in London and workers and tourists enjoying the sun in sharm. Maybe we should make our leaders get in a boxing ring and slug it out instead.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Hey it's US and UK wanting the war. They are full of lies and deciet WMD's in Iraq are proof of this. They doctored the reports and whatnot. Then took out Saddam because he didn't play ball with the US.

And yes terrorist cells will be the next best thing, that is why I'm saying don't provoke them. Unless you want america to be like Isreal is, bombs going off in marketplaces and cities randomly. Be dimplomatic. DO NOT BULLY YOUR WAY INTO A SITUATION TO INFLICT YOUR WAY UPON OTHERS. This is why i'm stongly against all this US ''might'' - You'll regret it. Iraq is ruined, and Afghanistan, well they've been there how long? And they can't defeat a few mountain insurgents LMAO.Yup how great is your military eh, my how great they are.....

*S n i g g e r s*
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Diplomacy only works if diplomacy works. You can play the diplomat all day long, but if the other side doesn't have any intention of negotiating a resolution, then its all for nothing.

It won't be quite as easy for Iran to use terrorist agents to carry out attacks overseas, especially in the U.S. or U.K. Homegrown terrorists are more difficult to pinpoint, but foreign agents inside a country are easier to find and stop. Especially after the reality of 9-11. Unless of course you are assuming all Muslims are terrorists? Didn't think so.

As for defeating a few "mountain insurgents". It would be one thing if these "mountain insurgents" actually engaged in conventional warfare, but of course they don't. They set bombs and run away. That is hard to deal with, especially with a large army mostly standing around all day. The Iranian army doesn't really factor in, since any hypothetical war would be primarily air based.
 
Keltoi said:
Diplomacy only works if diplomacy works. You can play the diplomat all day long, but if the other side doesn't have any intention of negotiating a resolution, then its all for nothing.

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Telling iran to give up nuclear power is not negotiating. So that;s one off the table....

Also you don't get to choose who the other side defends itse;f, it itsn't a game of poker you know. You invade, you get attacked in any way possible.

I demand you leave the countries right now!!:D
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Telling iran to give up nuclear power is not negotiating. So that;s one off the table....

Also you don't get to choose who the other side defends itse;f, it itsn't a game of poker you know. You invade, you get attacked in any way possible.

I demand you leave the countries right now!!:D
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Nobody is demanding Iran give up nuclear power, they are demanding that Iran stop uranium production for nuclear weapons.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Even the bull is alarmed now, look at the past mistakes I've spoken of in previous posts....
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The bull is alarmed? You mean by the difficulty in Iraq? The politicians are alarmed by the expense and the length of time this fiasco in Iraq has taken. Don't mistake a difficult occupation with conventional war.
 
Keltoi said:
Nobody is demanding Iran give up nuclear power, they are demanding that Iran stop uranium production for nuclear weapons.
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They won't comply, and neither should they.

BTW - I'm in favour of UK re-newing Trident too. We should not give it up. But the right for other nations should be practiced to have the same is required.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
They tremble at such threats....:rollseyes & Inspecting is another word for spying isn't it eh.

UK should never have got in this mess, joining forces with US was the biggest mistake this country has made for many years. How would we feel if Iranian boats were patrolimg the Channel. Can't image we would sit back and take it, why should the Iranians be any different :D
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exactly!!! now i fear this will turn into a big wave. UK have done thebiggest mistake joining US...i bet all this spying buisness was USA 's plan!! :raging: ...and as usual UK 's being used in the middle.
 
Keltoi said:
The bull is alarmed? You mean by the difficulty in Iraq? The politicians are alarmed by the expense and the length of time this fiasco in Iraq has taken. Don't mistake a difficult occupation with conventional war.
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Does that not speak volumes? Do not invade for selfish needs. i e Your own.

Les go into Mugabes territoy, I'll be in favour of that. But hey i'm not a fan of white people though am I, I'm asian.... :rollseyes
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Does that not speak volumes? Do not invade for selfish needs. i e Your own.

Les go into Mugabes territoy, I'll be in favour of that. But hey i'm not a fan of white people though am I, I'm asian.... :rollseyes
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So why would you support going into Mugabe's territory?
 
Surely a countries past actions should be taken into account, because of Irans aggresive past of course the world doesn't want it to have nuclear weapons and I pray they never get them but the countries that hold nuclear weapons should agree to destroy theirs if they are going to go around demanding that other countries don't have them. I know it will never happen but I am seriously conflicted because Iran should NOT have them but if I say it's ok for us then I am being a hypocrite.

Look at Libya, they have a history of violent acts, yet an agreement with the west stopped the violence. It is SHAMEFUL that the Lybians have complied and the US and UK have failed to hold up their end of the bargain. What incentive is that to other countries to make peaceful agreements?
 
Asalam alkum warkmatulah wabrkatuh my brothers and sisters i think bush is just a showoff to be all that but i don't like bush to attack iran or iraq sorry if i am wrong forgive me if i am wrong and May Allah (swt) bless us and let us go to paridise AMEEM :w:
 
samah12 said:
Surely a countries past actions should be taken into account, because of Irans aggresive past of course the world doesn't want it to have nuclear weapons and I pray they never get them but the countries that hold nuclear weapons should agree to destroy theirs if they are going to go around demanding that other countries don't have them. I know it will never happen but I am seriously conflicted because Iran should NOT have them but if I say it's ok for us then I am being a hypocrite.

Look at Libya, they have a history of violent acts, yet an agreement with the west stopped the violence. It is SHAMEFUL that the Lybians have complied and the US and UK have failed to hold up their end of the bargain. What incentive is that to other countries to make peaceful agreements?
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What was the US and UK's end of the bargain?
 
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