Deploy troops in Iran...!

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AvarAllahNoor said:
Despite the claims by the M.O.D. and the British government, there is absolutely NO evidence to suggest that the British forces were in Iraqi or International waters.
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The way the waters are divided is murky to say the least. Nobody really knows, objectively speaking, whether they were in Iraqi or Iranian waters. The two countries seem to have an 'understanding' over that particular area of water, rather than a concrete map defining the borders.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
I agree with what you''ve said. Honestly I do But if you read my previous posts you'll see my objection, and WHY. - It's one thing afer another. And it's all going one way. Surely you can see that?
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You mean its all going one way vis a vis Iran? I would say generally that is true. The Iranians have offended, or worried, almost every potential ally they had. They now have both the Chinese and the Russians supporting sanctions. Quite a diplomatic coup by the Iranians, eh? The two chief opponents of tough sanctions have now come around because of Iranian intransigence. This stupid stunt isn't going to work either.
 
But for 4 years, Iranian navy vessels have entered iraqi waters by accident and the Royal Navy has turned them away. For 4 years Royal Navy boats have accidently entered Iranian waters and the Iranians have turned them away.

Last week a dozen or so Iranian revolutionary gaurds were arrested after accidently going 250 miles inside Iraq and accidently joining Terrorist groups in order to accidently slaughter Iraqi civvys.

No coincidence honest.
 
Cognescenti said:
You mean its all going one way vis a vis Iran? I would say generally that is true. The Iranians have offended, or worried, almost every potential ally they had. They now have both the Chinese and the Russians supporting sanctions. Quite a diplomatic coup by the Iranians, eh? The two chief opponents of tough sanctions have now come around because of Iranian intransigence. This stupid stunt isn't going to work either.
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They did this the last time sanctions were made. It's nothing new and they know which side their bread is buttered!
 
barney said:
But for 4 years, Iranian navy vessels have entered iraqi waters by accident and the Royal Navy has turned them away. For 4 years Royal Navy boats have accidently entered Iranian waters and the Iranians have turned them away.

Last week a dozen or so Iranian revolutionary gaurds were arrested after accidently going 250 miles inside Iraq and accidently joining Terrorist groups in order to accidently slaughter Iraqi civvys.
No coincidence honest.
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Never happened before the illegal invasion....
 
In the last few years Iran has seen its neighbouring countries to the east and west invaded and occupied, they have been repeatedly threatened by the Bush/Blair Axis of aggression, and are now the victims of a media hate campaign aimed at discrediting them in advance of military action against them, Now they have to put up with US/UK warships doing god knows what in THEIR waters
 
this could be solved peacefully, but there are madmen on all sides. who knows what will happen?
 
snakelegs said:
this could be solved peacefully, but there are madmen on all sides. who knows what will happen?
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In an ideal world, comedy would ensue. Alas, it might just be construed as an act of war, which falls on the wrong side of the tragedy-comedy spectrum.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Never happened before the illegal invasion....
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So are you saying that It's Britains fault that Iran is killing Iraqi civvys? Or did you just not have anything else to say about the timing and purposes of this kidnapping?
 
barney said:
So are you saying that It's Britains fault that Iran is killing Iraqi civvys? Or did you just not have anything else to say about the timing and purposes of this kidnapping?
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If these Sailors and Marines were inside Iraqi waters then the onus is on Britain to prove that they were, But Britain has refused so far to release any geographical data regarding the location where the arrest happened

Don't enter their waters, stop threatening them, and stop telling them they can't have what we have!
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
If these Sailors and Marines were inside Iraqi waters then the onus is on Britain to prove that they were, But Britain has refused so far to release any geographical data regarding the location where the arrest happened
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Look. If a country "arrests" foreign soldiers operating on a foreign-flagged vessel perhaps they should make a case why it is justified.

A dispassionate observer would have to agree there is a plausible explanation of why British Marines might have legitimately been in the area. The Shatt al Arab is a confusing area. It is possible both sides believe they are right, however, the inflammatory nature of the Iranian actions is alarming:

1) No representative of the UK government has been allowed to visit them
2) Press reports suggest a trial.

This reminds me of Hussein taking Western toursits hostage before GWI. That sure worked out good for him, eh?
 
There is these possibilitys.

1) They were on the Iranian side and the brits are lying to try and weasel out of admitting fault.
2) They were on the Iraqi side, but cant prove it.
3) They were on the Iraqi Side and can prove it. They are not proving it because they dont want to stir up the incident more than neccessery. (I know US ships and UK subs carry tapes of radar coverage..which might or might not have recorded the positions of the boats.)

Last Time we had this sort of incident we admitted that we had got lost and it was settled peacefully, with the iranians merely throwing our soldiers blindfolded into a desert ditch and cocking their weapons in a mock excecution.

We are insisting we were on the correct side of the border this time. Why lie now?
 
Well I'm in need of my beauty sleep, hope to catchup with you lot tommorrow Goodnight......sweet dreams my sweeties.....

Gur Fateh
 
snakelegs said:
this could be solved peacefully, but there are madmen on all sides. who knows what will happen?
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Wait a minute. You can't possibly argue that Tony Blair is a madman? His government is being very restrained here. They are deliberately not inflaming the situation.
 
Tony Blair mentioned today that he hoped the situation would be resolved in the next couple of days. If that doesn't happen, then there will be little choice but to return to the U.N. and pass more sanctions and more resolutions. If, by some reason of unexplained insanity, the Iranians refuse to return the hostages, we could see the rhetoric and the action heat up really fast. However, I expect the hostages to be returned within the week.
 
as far as i know, sanctions never hurt the rulers - just the people who suffer under them.
 
snakelegs said:
as far as i know, sanctions never hurt the rulers - just the people who suffer under them.
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That is what I have seen happen in the past. The big fish in the tank never go hungry as long as there is at least one smaller fish left.
 
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